Mark Reason: New Zealand “deserved” to have that sixteenth man in 2011 (Oct. 30, 2015)

30 October 2015 at 6:02 pm

Mark Reason: New Zealand “deserved” to have that sixteenth man in 2011
The Panel, Radio NZ National, Friday 30 October 2015, 4:50 p.m.

Horrible, braindead, unsporting rhetoric from Reason and Farrar. All their faux-patriotic, one-eyed bullshit fails to convince Gayford or Mulligan, however….

MARK REASON: [speaking slowly and carefully to show how serious he is] The appointment of the referee is very important. Think back to 2011: we all thanked the Lord that Craig Joubert didn’t penalize New Zealand once in that last twenty minutes. We DESERVED to have a hometown referee for our home final! ….

DAVID FARRAR: I don’t think anybody will care if the Australians are complaining after the match, AS LONG AS WE WIN! Ha ha ha ha!

CLARK GAYFORD: [dubious] Hmmmmmmm.

JESSE MULLIGAN: [deeply uncomfortable] Heh heh heh heh….

• b waghorn16.1

  30 October 2015 at 6:16 pm

  I will admit I never knew there was/is any dessent over the last final due to the fact that I don’t watch much sport “news” ,sport to me is entertainment pure and simple and as a ex rugby player that’s my chosen entertainment.
  I’d put farrars comment down to a bit of pre game sledging .
  What do you get if you take the AB’s out of wallabies??

  Wallies!!:-)

  What do you make of the 95 final??
• Reddelusion16.2

  30 October 2015 at 8:24 pm

  It’s only a game of footy Morrissey a bit of light hearted banter is getting your knickers in a twist, chill as I have counselled you before, build a bridge re the 2011 rwc final, the result ain’t going to change
• 1. • • Morrissey16.2.1

         31 October 2015 at 8:18 am

         It’s only a game of footy [sic] Morrissey a bit of light hearted banter is getting your knickers in a twist,

         First point: adults say “football”. Please don’t use puerile language.

         Second point: I don’t see anything lighthearted about systematic cheating, a referee who colludes in that cheating, and commentators like Mark Reason who claim that “we” deserved to have a “hometown referee” for that farcical match.

         the result ain’t going to change

         Lance Armstrong still has those Tour de France titles to his name. But perception of the worth and validity of his victories has changed. It wasn’t immediately apparent that he’d cheated; it was and is immediately apparent that the All Blacks did in 2011. Our pyrhhic victory in 2011 was immediately condemned by the French players, and in France generally. That this country has maintained a Soviet-level official silence over the scandal doesn’t mean people don’t actually know what happened—as Reason’s words so clearly demonstrate.
  2. Morrissey17

     30 October 2015 at 7:17 pm

     I’d put farrars comment down to a bit of pre game sledging.

     Fair comment.

     What do you get if you take the AB’s out of wallabies?? Wallies!!:-)

     http://static.commentcamarche.net/es.ccm.net/pictures/Ud6krzOUaQiVrbx4IWkuzUrMD8vWr4qbG1wMtmWKQ94r7Doi6fybXXnACJoLFtKR-lol.png

     What do you make of the 95 final??

     Epic match. I presume you are hinting at Laurie Mains’s muttering about “Suzy”. I wouldn’t trust Mains as far as I could kick him.

     I suggest you take a look some time at the 1999 final, which was in many ways a grim foreshadowing of the 2011 final. The commentators for Television New Zealand’s live coverage—Keith Quinn, John McBeth and Wayne Graham—were all clearly disturbed by the performance of another South African referee, Andre Watson.

     I’ll post more on that débâcle some time in the future.
  3. b waghorn17.1

     30 October 2015 at 7:29 pm

     You’re very willing to condemn kiwis yet you seem to not think it possible that the fledgling rainbow nation wouldn’t see winning the world cup by any means as plausible. Why so down on nz?
     • Morrissey17.1.1

       31 October 2015 at 8:33 am

       You’re very willing to condemn kiwis

       I don’t condemn “Kiwis”. Most of my analysis concerns the performance or non-performance of South African referees in 1999 and 2011. I’ve acknowledged that while the All Blacks, led by McCaw, cheated flagrantly in 2011, so would have any team that was granted such carte blanche immunity by a “referee”. Read my posts again.

       yet you seem to not think it possible that the fledgling rainbow nation wouldn’t see winning the world cup by any means as plausible.

       Maybe it happened. I don’t trust South Africa any more than any other country. But there’s never been anything more than allegations about “Suzy”. I wouldn’t trust anything Mains said or says on that matter or any other.

       Why so down on nz?

       Once again: look at my posts carefully. My criticisms are mainly of the referees, both of them South African. The beneficiaries of Andre “The Warbler” Watson’s extraordinary 1999 RWC final performance—a chilling preview in many ways of what happened 16 years later—were not the All Blacks but the Wallabies.