McFlock23.1
[any relationship with any conversation on The Panel that actually took place is purely coincidental]
cf: the first two minutesLanthanide23.1.1
Wow. Just wow.Morrissey23.1.1.1
Again, this problem of incoherence has resurfaced. Are you sober?
- Jim Mora said all those things, and he sighed like he had the weight of the world on his shoulders too, just as I recorded. Ms. Hartley Moore made that comment too.But YOU are trying to say I made up this little conversation. You’ll transcribe that for us then? There’s a good fellow.
- Nope.
I’m not going to be a full-time amanuensis just because you’re a fucking idiot.
It’s within the first two minutes of the recording I linked to. Anyone who wants to see just how much of a liar you are (again) can go there.- I didn’t even hear this supposed sigh. Seems more like a standard inhalation one makes when talking after long sentences.
- I didn’t even hear this supposed sigh. Seems more like a standard inhalation one makes when talking after long sentences.These things are subtle. Your interpretation is just as valid as mine. Jim Mora has a habit of making these heartfelt sighs whenever a difficult or trying problem comes up. I have often described them as “baffled sighs”, but then again maybe this afternoon it was more like you say, just inhaling.
- I’m not going to be a full-time amanuensis….
I think you should reconsider. It really would be a useful way to use your talents.….just because you’re a fucking idiot.
?!?!? Really? Why so?It’s within the first two minutes of the recording I linked to. Anyone who wants to see just how much of a liar you are (again) can go there.This is a bit sad really. I don’t like to see someone humiliate himself like you are doing by engaging in this bizarre little campaign of yours. You know, if you had simply pointed out that my rendition of that little display of hypocrisy this afternoon was not word-perfect, you’d have been fine.But, unwisely and rashly, you’ve made the stupid accusation that I am making it up. Anyone who listened to the program this afternoon will know I did not make anything up.With your extreme language, you’ve put yourself way out on a limb.Silly fellow.- I’m not your employee, you egotistical fuckwit.You’re welcome to link to the datestamp or recording that you did actually transcribe accurately, and I will retract.At the moment, as far as I can tell you’ve grossly misrepresented what was said to a massive level.Gimme a link or a timestamp – was it further in to the recording? Maybe you’ll learn something about how good it is to accurately say what your source is supposed to be.
- I’m not your employee, you egotistical fuckwit.Say, I LIKE that sentence. It has rhythm, and balance, and a certain je ne sais quoi—-or in English, zing!May I use it for a playscript I’m preparing? Please?
- yeah, you can follow it up with “suck my balls”I take it you’ll be admitting that the script is almost complete fiction, unlike here?
- I take it you’ll be admitting that the script is almost complete fiction, unlike here?You know, your display of bad temper and crude lack of generosity doesn’t bolster your flailing efforts one little bit. You can call me a liar as often as you like; the fact is I have a substantial body of work on this site, none of it made up. None of it.Well, okay, I did have Leitermann’s moronic audience chanting “Heil, Heil, Heil!” which was obviously not literally true. But it did capture the Nuremberg Rally atmosphere which prevailed in the presence of that race-baiting, lying “comedian” Sacha Baron Cohen.Otherwise, it’s strictly transcripts of villainous, hypocritical, sanctimonious commentators laughing their heads off, all the way to the lounge bar. As you know perfectly well, of course. And resent, what with you supporting some of the reprobates I’ve held up for inspection.
- the fact is I have a substantial body of work on this site, none of it made up. None of itDo you say that as a continuation of surrealist performance art, or simply because you received a severe blow to the head?In the fabrication that is comment 23, about 90% of the excerpt (including the context, spirit and intent of the discussion) is fabricated. Go back to my link in 23.1, and compare them word for word, and even general point for point. They are nothing alike.I cannot comprehend how someone can be so stupid, yet still work a computer. So you’re a barefaced liar. But I see no benefit to the lies if they are intentional, and that just leaves performance art – but really?
- “surrealist performance art….you received a severe blow to the head…. fabrication 90% … fabricated…. stupid…. you’re a barefaced liar…. lies…. performance art…”That’s a litany of abuse, and a display of calculated dishonesty that would give even an ACT campaign manager pause for thought.As I have pointed out to you several times now, my substantial body of work trumps your abuse. You can make your baseless, foolish accusations as often as you like, but they don’t bestow the slightest credibility to your disastrous case.If you had corrected one of my inadvertent mistakes or objected to the tone or accuracy of one or more of my descriptors, that might have constituted intelligent and thoughtful criticism. As it is, all you have to offer is that rancid, limp stream of abuse.Here it is again, in condensed form: “surrealist performance art….severe blow to the head…. fabrication …. 90% fabricated…. stupid…. you’re a barefaced liar…lies….”Gosh that really is sad. I feel concerned for you. Are you sober?
vto…
I don’t understand why Morrisey comes in for such heat. Morrisey, your reviews of the panel are amusing imo. Clearly your take on the show is a personal assessment, which is fine. Reading them puts a ring and zing around Jim’s show now – his show is tainted by your near daily assessments. Some nob utters something utterly foolish or ill-informed and sure enough there it is in all its Morrisey-glory a short while later.Most amusing.Perhaps someone could do a Morrisey review review…. oh, wait a minute ….- Your substantial body of work is a huge pit of electronic silage.you kindly provided a transcript which is reasonably accurate, it is substantially different to your original “transcript” of the same recording, and you still claim to be accurate?I’m stone cold sober, but I fear I’m talking with someone in the Twilight Zone.Yes, I swear and call you names. The reason is that assuming anyone would believe your shit is quite obviously intended to be an enormous fucking insult.
- Thank you for the kind words, vto, your support and encouragement really is appreciated.Perhaps someone could do a Morrisey review review….I’ve already been flattered with a parody of my work by my good friendTe Reo Putake. It wasn’t all bad, but it could have been a bit sharper. Dave Armstrong won’t hire him on the strength of yesterday’s little send-up.
felix…
“Some nob utters something utterly foolish or ill-informed and sure enough there it is in all its Morrisey-glory a short while later.”Or, as is usually the case, some nob utters something boring and Morrissey invents a far more exciting fantasy conversation which he then insists is “near word perfect” and “none of it made up”.Yeah, sometimes it’s funny, but he’s presenting these stories as actual quotes from real people when they’re just not. He even attributes quotes to people that are the exact opposite of what they said.It’s no different from what Cameron Slater does and I have no idea why such blatant lies are allowed to be presented as fact on this site.Te Reo Putake…
It wasn’t a parody, it was a piss take. Took about five minutes and it’s still a work of genius compared to your steaming mounds of bullshit. How’s that apology coming on, liar?
- “But YOU are trying to say I made up this little conversation. You’ll transcribe that for us then? There’s a good fellow.”Can’t prove a negative, Moz. But McF has supplied a link to the audio and after listening to it, I can’t hear any of the things you claim.“Jim Mora said all those things”Please indicate where he said those things. The link to the audio has been provided for you. All you have to do is listen to it and write down the time in mins and secs where each statement occurs.“and he sighed like he had the weight of the world on his shoulders too, just as I recorded.”Again, please note the time.“Ms. Hartley Moore made that comment too.”Again, please note the time. If you’re right, and your transcript is accurate, then simply posting the exact time each statement was made will easily clear the matter up.
- Here you go: a word-perfect transcript. I think you’ll agree that anyone who listens to the tape, looks at the script and then compares it with my admittedly imperfect rush transcript/rendition will agree that, contrary to our friend McFlock’s crazed allegations, I catch the tone—of faux seriousness—pretty much perfectly. I believe that Jim Mora’s supposedly concerned conjectures about moral behaviour under pressure have to be considered in the light of his own abominable behaviour and the chilling exhibition of group-think by most of his guests whenever he expresses scorn and contempt for the victims of state-run vendettas…..[STARTS at 1:25….JIM MORA: And your question, says Elaine, about whether each of us would be morally independent of the overall group view is a good one and the answer is: probably not. ……[Pause]….. Yeah, we were saying in that interview, you know, if you were in Nazi Germany in the 1930s, to what extent would you have resisted if everybody around you was behaving abominably? I mean you’d like to think that you’d stand apart and be noble and you—-JULIA HARTLEY MOORE: But the reality is that the pressure, you know—exactly right. I just think, you know, that when women do stuff like this, many times I think women can be far worse than men.JIM MORA: Or so it seems, in certain cases.JULIA HARTLEY MOORE: Yeah.JIM MORA: [sigh] Ah, the book Hitlers Furies. ….[Suddenly brightens up] Nice to see you! Ha ha ha! Sorry I’ve roped you in on the conversation right away! I don’t think we’ve got David Farrar yet….…..ENDS at 2:09]
Tim23.1.2.2.1.1
“his own abominable behaviour and the chilling exhibition of group-think”.Jim doesn’t actually ever THINK. He simply agrees with everything – how else could he possibly be the nicest man on Earth?O hell … it’s 9:57 pm … I’m pekish. I wonder if that healthy fast food Subway is open. It’s an OK option taken in moderation. Loverly!- Try Carl’s Jr. some time, Tim. I highly recommend it.
- … but does the nicest lady on Earth own it – and do they serve Lambie with bits of greenery served up by poor bastards on minimum wage?
I need to be able to satisfy my cravings for good, clean, conservative food (in moderation) and be able to look down on those aspirational staff members busting for a leak, content in the knowledge that I’m ‘considerably richer than they’ are, and who are loathe to take a piss break for fear their pay will be docked.
Afternoons is a bit like that TV smaltz she used to host – without the pictures, but complete with subtle Natty advertorials.
- But morrissey, if you never made up a single thing (“none of it made up. None of it.”) and, indeed, your transcripts are near word-perfect (as you’ve recently claimed), how can your two “transcripts” be so fundamentally different?
- ….how can your two “transcripts” be so fundamentally different?That is my point: they are not fundamentally different. My rush transcript (which as you and others are quite right to point out, is not perfect) has the germ of Jim Mora’s comment, and just as importantly, the spurious and cynical pretence at engagement with a moral issue.Someone listening to that show for the first time ever this afternoon may well have taken his solicitous tone as genuine. But as you and I know, his record of laughing, guffawing and snorting at the victims of state terror casts doubt on that.My transcript—or as you might justly prefer, my sketchy impression—was not fundamentally different from the full transcript. Just not as complete.
- If your target was Mora, why invent the JHM comment?” the spurious and cynical pretence at engagement with a moral issue” is completely your invention. Your perspective. Your interpretation. So it’s not an accurate reflection of The Panel, it’s a reflection of your interpretation of what went on. You can either stick with ACTUAL near-word-perfect transcripts, or you can make up caricatures of your interpretations of the vibe of what you heard, but to invent the caricatures and then insist that they’re even fundamentally similar to what was actually said is akin to spitting in your audience’s face.
- So if they’re no different then why won’t you make a note of the times of the statements from your first transcript?It would be far, far quicker and easier than all that typing and would prove once and for all that there was “none of it made up. None of it.”
- And why go to all the trouble of writing the second transcript when all he needed to do was note the times of the totally-not-made-up statements and secret sighs in the first transcript?
- Wow, now you’re even proving yourself to be inaccurate, yet you still don’t see it. No wonder you won’t apologise for lying. You have no compass for the truth, no sense of the essence of a conversation and you’d rather be thought of as an idiot than accept criticism from others.All while making unfounded and pointless criticisms of a typically light afternoon talk radio show. Fluffy radio show is fluffy. Well done for spotting that Moz.Still waiting for the apology for your lies, Moz. Still waiting, you lying sack ‘o’ shit.
- Sorry, Te Reo, but I just haven’t got the time to reply to your (sadly abuse-laden, fact-free) contribution now. I’ll address it some time tomorrow on Open Mike 22 October.I recommend you go to bed and run through a few more names to call me. The ones you’ve been using are getting tired. (That’s because they have no substance to them.)Sleep tight, my hatchet-wielding friend.
- Fuck fuck fuckity off, then you lying, cowardly sack ‘o’ shit. Your chickenshit excuses can’t hide your weakness.
- Your substantial body of work is a huge pit of electronic silage.
Errr, isn’t silage a good thing?I’m stone cold sober,
Good. You seem to have calmed down a bit too. You’re back to your old self again.….but I fear I’m talking with someone in the Twilight Zone.
Arrrrggghhhh! We can discard the theory about McFlock going straight.Yes, I swear and call you names. The reason is that assuming anyone would believe your shit is quite obviously intended to be an enormous fucking insult.
Oh come on, McFlock, let’s dispense with the throwing of horseshit for a while. How about you try critiquing me for a while without the obligatory side-order of abuse? But really I think both of us need a good sleep now. I have to leave, unfortunately.Adieu, mon ami.- Fuck off then, you coward. You’re not even skilled enough to be a jonolist.
- Gosh, you do know that crude language doesn’t make a lie one bit less of a lie, or an insult one whit cleverer? Don’t you?Surely?Please don’t waste your time shouting abuse like that. It only makes you look bad.Then again, maybe it plays well down there in Hurricanes country….
- You know all about lying, Moz. It’s pretty much all you’ve got. Nice to see you keeping up the stalking though. Nice sideline, creep.
- Je ne suis pas votre ami, Guy
- Je ne suis pas votre ami, GuyTOUCHÉ.
- not bloody likely
- Indeed. “vous n’êtes pas mon guy, ami” would have been ‘touche’, if I remember my schoolboy french-canadian correctly. Simply repeating the phrase is a fail in any language.
- The very best thing about Moz the Morrisey is that he/she stirs fire in the belly (Burp). It’s been sadly lacking of late.
Moz – I do wonder about your health though – transcribing anaesthetic for the masses just seems like an exercise in elevating a complete load of kaka to undeserved high status.
60’s ZB, Afternoons, Radio NZ National – brought to you by Rinso – the housewife’s choice and the nicest man on Earth with the best song ever written! Whites are whiter, colours are brighter. Wipe it up wipe it up with XLO- Please assure me you’re OK though … I’ll save ya a bit of Lambie on brown – (minus the olives)
- “I do wonder about your health though – transcribing anaesthetic for the masses just seems like an exercise in elevating a complete load of kaka to undeserved high status.”What the fuck would Moz know about transcribing? His comment above at 23.1.2.2.1 is literally the first time he has ever tried it.
Monday, 22 January 2018
Principled broadcasters cogitate about those wicked Germans (Oct. 21, 2013)
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Principled broadcasters cogitate about those wicked Germans
Jim Mora, David Farrar, Julia Hartley Moore
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