French police confirmed that a man arrested in connection with what
was first believed to be an anti-Semitic arson attack on a Jewish
social centre a week ago was a Jewish man who had worked there.
http://tinyurl.com/6245j
was first believed to be an anti-Semitic arson attack on a Jewish
social centre a week ago was a Jewish man who had worked there.
http://tinyurl.com/6245j
JD wrote:
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Since this whole issue blew up, there have been several examples documented
of unbalanced jewish people responsible for doing these sorts of things in
an effort to attract / create sympathy. Like the women in the US who
trashed her own car and claimed it had been a hate crime.
of unbalanced jewish people responsible for doing these sorts of things in
an effort to attract / create sympathy. Like the women in the US who
trashed her own car and claimed it had been a hate crime.
People are odd.
_antip...@bigpond.com (JD) wrote in message news:<6189a6f9.0408301527.
portray this hoax as an anti-semitic attack, though.
>
>
> >
> and BTW Mowissey the alleged
> Israeli spy in the Pentagon was cleared today and he wasn't Jewish either.
Israel are not Jewish. Just look at Adolf Giuliani, for example. Or
closer to home - Rodney Hide.
distinguish between Jewish people and the Israeli government and its
apologists.
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A couple of disturbing features in the article...
1. "The incident led the French government to declare war on racism
and prompted a snap visit to Paris by Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan
Shalom, who urged tougher punishment in France for the perpetrators of
anti-Semitic acts."
and prompted a snap visit to Paris by Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan
Shalom, who urged tougher punishment in France for the perpetrators of
anti-Semitic acts."
BREEN COMMENTS: Why did the Israeli foreign minister involve himself?
He speaks for Israel, not for Jewish people. I wonder if the Israeli
government would tolerate a militant Islamic leader coming into the
Occupied Territories, urging tougher (or any) punishment for the
perpetrators every time a terrorist-settler murders a Palestinian
child or the Israeli army demolishes a Palestinian home.
He speaks for Israel, not for Jewish people. I wonder if the Israeli
government would tolerate a militant Islamic leader coming into the
Occupied Territories, urging tougher (or any) punishment for the
perpetrators every time a terrorist-settler murders a Palestinian
child or the Israeli army demolishes a Palestinian home.
2. "Last month, a 23-year-old woman who claimed she had been the
victim of a vicious anti-Semitic assault later admitted she had made
up the entire incident, and was given a four-month suspended sentence
for lying about it."
victim of a vicious anti-Semitic assault later admitted she had made
up the entire incident, and was given a four-month suspended sentence
for lying about it."
BREEN WONDERS: What progress has been made into the investigation
of the desecrations of Jewish graves in Wellington, which (totally
by chance of course) occurred just after the New Zealand government
had convicted a pair of Israeli terrorists?
by chance of course) occurred just after the New Zealand government
had convicted a pair of Israeli terrorists?
"Tilly" <Bri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Q%YYc.20065$N77.7...@
>
>
> >
> > BREEN WONDERS: What progress has been made into the investigation
> > about the desecrations of Jewish graves in Wellington, which (totally
> > by chance of course) occurred just after the New Zealand government
> > had convicted a pair of Israeli terrorists?
>
> A member of the NF has been arrested........
>
> Get the facts Mowissey. The woman wasn't Jewish.She is mentally unstable and
> receiving psychiatric treatment..
> Get the facts Mowissey. The woman wasn't Jewish.She is mentally unstable and
> receiving psychiatric treatment..
Precisely. Zionist groups in France and overseas didn't hesitate to
portray this hoax as an anti-semitic attack, though.
portray this hoax as an anti-semitic attack, though.
>
>
> >
> > BREEN WONDERS: What progress has been made into the investigation
> > about the desecrations of Jewish graves in Wellington, which (totally
> > by chance of course) occurred just after the New Zealand government
> > had convicted a pair of Israeli terrorists?
>
> A member of the NF has been arrested........
I wonder how much, if any, evidence the police have to link him to the
desecrations.
desecrations.
>
> and BTW Mowissey the alleged
> Israeli spy in the Pentagon was cleared today and he wasn't Jewish either.
> and BTW Mowissey the alleged
> Israeli spy in the Pentagon was cleared today and he wasn't Jewish either.
He was a ZIONIST though. Many of the most brutal apologists for
Israel are not Jewish. Just look at Adolf Giuliani, for example. Or
closer to home - Rodney Hide.
Israel are not Jewish. Just look at Adolf Giuliani, for example. Or
closer to home - Rodney Hide.
>
> The alleged arsonist is another 'pissed off' former employee getting
> payback..Do you post every time someone guns people down who return to their
> place of former employment to seek revenge for soem perceived injustice? It
> happens frequently in the US.
>
> It does seem rather 'pointed' that you single Jews out for such criticism.
> The alleged arsonist is another 'pissed off' former employee getting
> payback..Do you post every time someone guns people down who return to their
> place of former employment to seek revenge for soem perceived injustice? It
> happens frequently in the US.
>
> It does seem rather 'pointed' that you single Jews out for such criticism.
It was the article that pointed that out. I always take pains to
distinguish between Jewish people and the Israeli government and its
apologists.
distinguish between Jewish people and the Israeli government and its
apologists.
 |
"Tilly" <Bri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Q%YYc.20065$N77.7...@
>
> Get the facts Mowissey. The woman wasn't Jewish.She is mentally unstable and
> receiving psychiatric treatment..
> receiving psychiatric treatment..
Precisely. Zionist groups in France and overseas didn't hesitate to
portray this hoax as an anti-semitic attack, though.
>
>
> >
> > BREEN WONDERS: What progress has been made into the investigation
> > about the desecrations of Jewish graves in Wellington, which (totally
> > by chance of course) occurred just after the New Zealand government
> > had convicted a pair of Israeli terrorists?
>
> > about the desecrations of Jewish graves in Wellington, which (totally
> > by chance of course) occurred just after the New Zealand government
> > had convicted a pair of Israeli terrorists?
>
> A member of the NF has been arrested........
I wonder how much, if any, evidence the police have to link him to the
desecrations.
desecrations.
>
> and BTW Mowissey the alleged
> Israeli spy in the Pentagon was cleared today and he wasn't Jewish either.
He was a ZIONIST though. Many of the most brutal apologists for
Israel are not Jewish. Just look at Adolf Giuliani, for example. Or
closer to home - Rodney Hide.
>
> The alleged arsonist is another 'pissed off' former employee getting
> payback..Do you post every time someone guns people down who return to their
> place of former employment to seek revenge for soem perceived injustice? It
> happens frequently in the US.
>
> It does seem rather 'pointed' that you single Jews out for such criticism.
> payback..Do you post every time someone guns people down who return to their
> place of former employment to seek revenge for soem perceived injustice? It
> happens frequently in the US.
>
> It does seem rather 'pointed' that you single Jews out for such criticism.
It was the article that pointed that out. I always take pains to
distinguish between Jewish people and the Israeli government and its
apologists.
|
Morrissey Breen wrote:
> BREEN COMMENTS: Why did the
> He speaks for Israel, not for
> government would tolerate a militant Islamic leader coming into the
> Occupied Territories, urging tougher (or any) punishment for the
> perpetrators every time a terrorist-settler murders a Palestinian
> child or the Israeli army demolishes a Palestinian home.
> He speaks for Israel, not for
> government would tolerate a militant Islamic leader coming into the
> Occupied Territories, urging tougher (or any) punishment for the
> perpetrators every time a terrorist-settler murders a Palestinian
> child or the Israeli army demolishes a Palestinian home.
This is a good point.
On the one hand, Israel and Jews are not one and the same.
Though it is very much in Israel's interests to portray them as being one
and the same.
and the same.
In this way, they can use the worldwide Jewish community as hostages to
their foreign policy.
their foreign policy.
Yet a particular Jewish person, living in Wellington or wherever, may be
absolutely opposed to the policies of the Israeli government.....yet find
himself the victim of "anti-semitic" acts done in response to actions taken
by the Israeli government.
absolutely opposed to the policies of the Israeli government.....yet find
himself the victim of "anti-semitic" acts done in response to actions taken
by the Israeli government.
In this way, Israel makes hostages of all Jews: "Shut-up about Israel's
policies - or your Jews will be attacked by anti-semites."
policies - or your Jews will be attacked by anti-semites."
.....and they may well be.
It's such a useful foreign policy tool for Israel, one could be forgiven for
speculating that its usefulness may be supplemented from time to time by
the purposeful actions of Israeli agents.
speculating that its usefulness may be supplemented from time to time by
the purposeful actions of Israeli agents.
In recent weeks we have seen a former Israeli millitary officer play a key
role in the downfall of the Governor of the US state of New Jersey...and
just this week, we hear the FBI is investigating as a possible spy for
Israel, someone who works for the US Defense Dept's Donald Fieth.
role in the downfall of the Governor of the US state of New Jersey...and
just this week, we hear the FBI is investigating as a possible spy for
Israel, someone who works for the US Defense Dept's Donald Fieth.
Why they aren't investigating Feith himself is a bit of a wonder as he has
had close ties with Ariel Sharon for years and is one of the authors of the
"Clean Break" policy employed by the Israeli Likud Party =- which lead to
the current 5-year Intifada.
had close ties with Ariel Sharon for years and is one of the authors of the
"Clean Break" policy employed by the Israeli Likud Party =- which lead to
the current 5-year Intifada.
Morrissey Breen wrote:
> "Tilly" <Bri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<Q%YYc.20065$N77.7...@
>
>>
>> Get the facts Mowissey. The woman wasn't Jewish.She is mentally unstable
>> and receiving psychiatric treatment..
>
> Precisely. Zionist groups in France and overseas didn't hesitate to
> portray this hoax as an anti-semitic attack, though.
> news:<Q%YYc.20065$N77.7...@
>
>>
>> Get the facts Mowissey. The woman wasn't Jewish.She is mentally unstable
>> and receiving psychiatric treatment..
>
> Precisely. Zionist groups in France and overseas didn't hesitate to
> portray this hoax as an anti-semitic attack, though.
You may find you have trouble getting Tilly to acknowledge this point no
matter how many times you explain it.
matter how many times you explain it.
There are some thing that simply can't be thought. Bilstien has the same
problem.
problem.
Barry Phease <bar...@es.co.nz> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.09.01.08.46.58.
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:31:55 -0700, Morrissey Breen wrote:
>
> > Barry Phease <bar...@es.co.nz> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.31.21.51.29.
> >> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:03:22 +1200, Tilly wrote:
>
> >> While I deplore some of Breen's comments,
> >
> > Pardon me? A quick Google search on all your posts mentioning "Breen"
> > shows that you have invariably taken the same view on various issues
> > as I do. The Daisycutter Sports organisation has you officially
> > registered on the "Diamond Geezer" list.
>
> I reserve the right to agree with or disagree with whomever I want.
Yours sincerely,
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:31:55 -0700, Morrissey Breen wrote:
>
> > Barry Phease <bar...@es.co.nz> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.31.21.51.29.
> >> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:03:22 +1200, Tilly wrote:
>
> >> While I deplore some of Breen's comments,
> >
> > Pardon me? A quick Google search on all your posts mentioning "Breen"
> > shows that you have invariably taken the same view on various issues
> > as I do. The Daisycutter Sports organisation has you officially
> > registered on the "Diamond Geezer" list.
>
> I reserve the right to agree with or disagree with whomever I want.
Dear Mr Phease,
That is not a problem. However, what raised eyebrows around here (at
the Daisycutter Sports office) was your sudden assertion that you
"deplore some of Breen's comments". As you have no prior history of
Breen-baiting, this seemed an odd thing to say. We think you should
at least give us some idea of what you "deplore" in Morrissey's
comments.
That is not a problem. However, what raised eyebrows around here (at
the Daisycutter Sports office) was your sudden assertion that you
"deplore some of Breen's comments". As you have no prior history of
Breen-baiting, this seemed an odd thing to say. We think you should
at least give us some idea of what you "deplore" in Morrissey's
comments.
Yours sincerely,
Serena Sopwith-Fotherington
for Daisycutter Sports Inc.
for Daisycutter Sports Inc.
9/2/04
|
|
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 22:00:56 -0700, Morrissey Breen wrote:
> Barry Phease <bar...@es.co.nz> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.09.01.08.46.58.
>> I reserve the right to agree with or disagree with whomever I want.
>
> Dear Mr Phease,
> That is not a problem. However, what raised eyebrows around here (at
> the Daisycutter Sports office) was your sudden assertion that you
> "deplore some of Breen's comments". As you have no prior history of
> Breen-baiting, this seemed an odd thing to say. We think you should
> at least give us some idea of what you "deplore" in Morrissey's
> comments.
>
> Dear Mr Phease,
> That is not a problem. However, what raised eyebrows around here (at
> the Daisycutter Sports office) was your sudden assertion that you
> "deplore some of Breen's comments". As you have no prior history of
> Breen-baiting, this seemed an odd thing to say. We think you should
> at least give us some idea of what you "deplore" in Morrissey's
> comments.
I don't read everything that is posted here, and I respond to only a small
proportion of what I read. I could conveivably deplore a comment without
remarking on it for all to see. Some of what you write I agree with but
not all of it. I can't think of an example off the top of my head, but
sometimes you say things that are silly and potentially offensive. Maybe
in the future I will express my disapproval for your edification.
proportion of what I read. I could conveivably deplore a comment without
remarking on it for all to see. Some of what you write I agree with but
not all of it. I can't think of an example off the top of my head, but
sometimes you say things that are silly and potentially offensive. Maybe
in the future I will express my disapproval for your edification.
I often disagree with Tilly and I think that she can be one-eyed and I
find her analysis simplistic, but she comes across as kind, so I couldn't
deplore any of her comments.
find her analysis simplistic, but she comes across as kind, so I couldn't
deplore any of her comments.
On a scale of Tilly - Redbaiter, you don't really rate for offensiveness,
so I wouldn't really want to make a big thing of it.
so I wouldn't really want to make a big thing of it.
--
Barry Phease
Barry Phease
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