Focus on Gaza - Al Durra special - 17 Apr 09 - Pt 1
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Focus on Gaza - Al Durra special - 17 Apr 09 - Pt 1
In the wake of the recent war on Gaza and casualties we visit the Al
Durra Family in Gaza to find out how they have coped over the years;
and to understand how the pain of loss and bereavement continues, long
after the guns cease firing.
Durra Family in Gaza to find out how they have coped over the years;
and to understand how the pain of loss and bereavement continues, long
after the guns cease firing.
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On May 25, 10:39 am, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Firstly you do four postings on virtually the same topic.
And none of them have anything to do with NZ.
Go away spammer.
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Firstly you do four postings on virtually the same topic.
And none of them have anything to do with NZ.
Go away spammer.
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New Zealand was targeted in 2005 by two Israeli terrorists. Our police
caught them and they were convicted and expelled from the country.
caught them and they were convicted and expelled from the country.
Our present Foreign Minister, one MURRAY McCULLY, said on radio a few
years later that "many people feel the New Zealand government over-
reacted" by expelling the terrorists.
years later that "many people feel the New Zealand government over-
reacted" by expelling the terrorists.
True enough, we are not so unfortunate as the civilians of Gaza, the
West Bank, and southern Lebanon, but we are certainly touched by
Israeli violations of international law.
West Bank, and southern Lebanon, but we are certainly touched by
Israeli violations of international law.
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Palywood Productions strikes again, and again and again..
JC
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So true. The Mohmmed al-Dura story has been thoroughly debunked. It
would have required a temprary suspension of the laws of physics for
the Israelis to have shot the boy. Either he was shot by other
Palestinians, or he was not shot at all and the whole thing was staged
- which is probably the most likely explanation.
would have required a temprary suspension of the laws of physics for
the Israelis to have shot the boy. Either he was shot by other
Palestinians, or he was not shot at all and the whole thing was staged
- which is probably the most likely explanation.
But what is truth? Just an inconvenience for people like Morrissey.
After all, he still claims to believe in the "Jenin Massacre", which
all parties - Israeli, Palestinians, and NGOs - agree never happened.
After all, he still claims to believe in the "Jenin Massacre", which
all parties - Israeli, Palestinians, and NGOs - agree never happened.
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On May 25, 11:19 am, peterwn <pete...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
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Except that the creation if the state of Israel was due in part to the
support of the British government, with NZ originally being a British
colony. Britian is linked to state terrorism in part by Israel -
Israel had foreknowledge of the 7/7 London attacks and has a history
of involvement in false flag terrorism.
support of the British government, with NZ originally being a British
colony. Britian is linked to state terrorism in part by Israel -
Israel had foreknowledge of the 7/7 London attacks and has a history
of involvement in false flag terrorism.
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What a k00k.
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Extreme far leftists like Morrissey have nothing better to do than
destroy things, including
newsgroups. Nobody cares what they say and ignore them, yet they keep
doing their best
to spam everyone out of a newsgroup. They think they have it all
figured out that they will always
attack the good guys and defend the murderous thugs of this world. He
in short is a tool. And his
kind will always be around until their pet crocodiles finally turn on
them and they will wonder what
the fuck happened.
destroy things, including
newsgroups. Nobody cares what they say and ignore them, yet they keep
doing their best
to spam everyone out of a newsgroup. They think they have it all
figured out that they will always
attack the good guys and defend the murderous thugs of this world. He
in short is a tool. And his
kind will always be around until their pet crocodiles finally turn on
them and they will wonder what
the fuck happened.
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Hey dipshit, did you believe that bin Laden was killed by US forces in
Afghanistan and the recent video, including the "confession video" was
real?
Afghanistan and the recent video, including the "confession video" was
real?
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I consider you a k00k and will not waste time with you.
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"DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Please don't insult kOOks.
Pooh
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Never happened, did it, Bilstein! While they're suffering under
massive gunfire from an occupying army, these fraudulent PEASANTS
somehow manage to produce the slickest hoax the world has ever seen.
So slick that the IDF commanders were suckered into apologizing for
killing the boy. But no! After careful consultation with expert
government PR people, the IDF now agrees that they were FOOLED into
confessing for something THEY DIDN'T DO!
massive gunfire from an occupying army, these fraudulent PEASANTS
somehow manage to produce the slickest hoax the world has ever seen.
So slick that the IDF commanders were suckered into apologizing for
killing the boy. But no! After careful consultation with expert
government PR people, the IDF now agrees that they were FOOLED into
confessing for something THEY DIDN'T DO!
The IDF was TRICKED by those clever hoaxers producing a video which
LOOKS like the real thing! The genius of those Palestinians!
LOOKS like the real thing! The genius of those Palestinians!
I'm sure you'll agree those untermenschen faked THIS one too....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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"Mo" <morriss...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Mo, you've seen this, why not comment on it?
Was this research done by "government PR people"?
Too many proven PA frauds like this,
have convinced Israeli authorities
to change its policy regarding apologies.
Was this research done by "government PR people"?
Too many proven PA frauds like this,
have convinced Israeli authorities
to change its policy regarding apologies.
> I'm sure you'll agree those untermenschen faked THIS one too....
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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On May 25, 8:05 pm, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
> "DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You are still a pathetic little man, Pooh.
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Yeah, run back crying to the MSM, dipshit.
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On May 26, 12:58 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Zev, I am disappointed in you. This is a laughable video, with many
similarities to 9/11 conspiracy and moon landing hoax videos.
similarities to 9/11 conspiracy and moon landing hoax videos.
It's hard to respect your judgement when you are participating in such
a cynical and brutal lying campaign, and doing so by citing one of the
most obnoxious and deranged sites on the internet. Do you know
anything about David Horror-wits? Do you know what he says about the
Palestinian people? If you did, I don't think you would be quoting him
other than in jest. It's instructive that Horror-wits' FontPage
Magazine is the outlet for this craziness.
a cynical and brutal lying campaign, and doing so by citing one of the
most obnoxious and deranged sites on the internet. Do you know
anything about David Horror-wits? Do you know what he says about the
Palestinian people? If you did, I don't think you would be quoting him
other than in jest. It's instructive that Horror-wits' FontPage
Magazine is the outlet for this craziness.
Quite apart from the impossibility of ACTING a death scene like these
fools allege, Zev, you need to answer two important questions: Why did
the IDF apologize for killing the boy after the video was shown around
the world? And why would the Palestinians NEED to fake this? The
killing of Mohammed Al Dura was, and is, nothing out of the ordinary.
It happens constantly in the Occupied Territories.
fools allege, Zev, you need to answer two important questions: Why did
the IDF apologize for killing the boy after the video was shown around
the world? And why would the Palestinians NEED to fake this? The
killing of Mohammed Al Dura was, and is, nothing out of the ordinary.
It happens constantly in the Occupied Territories.
This sort of thing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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On May 25, 3:05 am, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
> "DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I wonder if this colp understands how much of a laughing stock and
loser he is? He probably
picks his nose as well.
loser he is? He probably
picks his nose as well.
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The ridicule gambit is often used by people who are unable to present
a rational argument.
a rational argument.
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"colp" <co...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
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That's as believeable as the majority of your posts Colp.
Pooh
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"colp" <co...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
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Then why don't you present a rational argument so I can stop ridiculing you
Colp.
Then why don't you present a rational argument so I can stop ridiculing you
Colp.
Pooh
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"colp" <co...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
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What a delightful,l rational argument you put foreward here Colp.
Pooh
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"Mo" <morriss...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I know nothing whatsoever about David Horror-wits.
I saw the analysis, it raises important points and questions.
It places serious doubt on the Palestinian claims.
Calling it laughable while presenting no arguments
makes an impression opposite to the one
you'd like to make.
I saw the analysis, it raises important points and questions.
It places serious doubt on the Palestinian claims.
Calling it laughable while presenting no arguments
makes an impression opposite to the one
you'd like to make.
> Quite apart from the impossibility of ACTING a death scene like these
> fools allege, Zev, you need to answer two important questions: Why did
> the IDF apologize for killing the boy after the video was shown around
> the world?
> fools allege, Zev, you need to answer two important questions: Why did
> the IDF apologize for killing the boy after the video was shown around
> the world?
Many people in Israel believed it, and thought
that the very least they could do was
to apologize for a tragic death.
that the very least they could do was
to apologize for a tragic death.
> And why would the Palestinians NEED to fake this? The
> killing of Mohammed Al Dura was, and is, nothing out of the ordinary.
> It happens constantly in the Occupied Territories.
> killing of Mohammed Al Dura was, and is, nothing out of the ordinary.
> It happens constantly in the Occupied Territories.
There you are, Mo.
Proof that your assumption is untrue.
Proof that your assumption is untrue.
> This sort of thing...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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On May 26, 5:53 pm, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
> Then why don't you present a rational argument so I can stop ridiculing you
> Colp.
> Colp.
What, one like the one I posted earlier? In response to "Firstly you
[Mo] do four postings on virtually the same topic. And none of them
[Mo] do four postings on virtually the same topic. And none of them
have anything to do with NZ.", I said:
Except that the creation if the state of Israel was due in part to the
support of the British government, with NZ originally being a British
colony. Britian is linked to state terrorism in part by Israel -
Israel had foreknowledge of the 7/7 London attacks and has a history
of involvement in false flag terrorism.
support of the British government, with NZ originally being a British
colony. Britian is linked to state terrorism in part by Israel -
Israel had foreknowledge of the 7/7 London attacks and has a history
of involvement in false flag terrorism.
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On May 26, 5:54 pm, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
> "colp" <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
> "colp" <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
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He has already made it clear that he won't consider a rational
argument from me, fuckwit.
argument from me, fuckwit.
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On May 27, 1:36 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> news:d2778843-2c23-4e66-> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Then let me introduce you. Here he is being laughed off the Larry King
Show, after he tries to justify the abuse of 9/11 victims...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
Show, after he tries to justify the abuse of 9/11 victims...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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> I saw the analysis, it raises important points and questions.
> I saw the analysis, it raises important points and questions.
There is no analysis. Tellingly, nearly the whole interview consists
of Karsenty and Glazov talking, and not talking about the killing of
that boy. They're mainly airing their extreme right wing views---even
denying the reality of global warming.
of Karsenty and Glazov talking, and not talking about the killing of
that boy. They're mainly airing their extreme right wing views---even
denying the reality of global warming.
>
> It places serious doubt on the Palestinian claims.
> Calling it laughable while presenting no arguments
> It places serious doubt on the Palestinian claims.
> Calling it laughable while presenting no arguments
But Karsenty and Glazov presented neither evidence nor arguments.
>
> makes an impression opposite to the one you'd like to make.
> makes an impression opposite to the one you'd like to make.
And what impression would I "like to make", Zev? The only people here
obsessed about impressions are those who want to suggest that somehow
the Israeli army did not kill this one boy. Even after APOLOGIZING for
their killing of the boy.
obsessed about impressions are those who want to suggest that somehow
the Israeli army did not kill this one boy. Even after APOLOGIZING for
their killing of the boy.
>
> > Quite apart from the impossibility of ACTING a death scene like these
> > fools allege, Zev, you need to answer two important questions: Why did
> > the IDF apologize for killing the boy after the video was shown around
> > the world?
>
> Many people in Israel believed it,
> > Quite apart from the impossibility of ACTING a death scene like these
> > fools allege, Zev, you need to answer two important questions: Why did
> > the IDF apologize for killing the boy after the video was shown around
> > the world?
>
> Many people in Israel believed it,
No, many people in Israel could not believe what they were seeing.
This kind of material is usually censored by Israeli television---and
from American and British television too.
This kind of material is usually censored by Israeli television---and
from American and British television too.
>
> and thought
> that the very least they could do was
> to apologize for a tragic death.
>
> > And why would the Palestinians NEED to fake this? The
> > killing of Mohammed Al Dura was, and is, nothing out of the ordinary.
> > It happens constantly in the Occupied Territories.
>
> There you are, Mo.
> Proof that your assumption is untrue.
>
> > This sort of thing...
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>
> And this:http://www.youtube.com/
> and thought
> that the very least they could do was
> to apologize for a tragic death.
>
> > And why would the Palestinians NEED to fake this? The
> > killing of Mohammed Al Dura was, and is, nothing out of the ordinary.
> > It happens constantly in the Occupied Territories.
>
> There you are, Mo.
> Proof that your assumption is untrue.
>
> > This sort of thing...
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>
> And this:http://www.youtube.com/
I watched it all, Zev, and I'm astonished that someone like you could
have any other thoughts than revulsion for it. Any viewer will have
noted the consistently mocking tone of the narrator. He speaks slowly,
in a low voice, which is designed to impart authority and gravitas to
what he is saying. Unfortunately, the content of his script blows all
that apart.
have any other thoughts than revulsion for it. Any viewer will have
noted the consistently mocking tone of the narrator. He speaks slowly,
in a low voice, which is designed to impart authority and gravitas to
what he is saying. Unfortunately, the content of his script blows all
that apart.
The mocking is at its most vicious when he asks a series of rhetorical
questions: "Why so little? Why so unfocused? The boy and father were
protected by the barrel. Why did the cameraman hide behind the boy and
father when they were obviously not protected?"
questions: "Why so little? Why so unfocused? The boy and father were
protected by the barrel. Why did the cameraman hide behind the boy and
father when they were obviously not protected?"
This brave, brave narrator even suggests that having an invading army
shooting at people in your streets is no big deal: "If the scene were
as terrible as described… We hear gunshots, but also long periods of
silence."
shooting at people in your streets is no big deal: "If the scene were
as terrible as described… We hear gunshots, but also long periods of
silence."
Then comes the really bizarre part of the video: he claims that it's
all a fake, that the Palestinians are making a MOVIE! "How did all
these people move away and not the Al Durras? Were they running away
or clearing a set?"
all a fake, that the Palestinians are making a MOVIE! "How did all
these people move away and not the Al Durras? Were they running away
or clearing a set?"
He even mocks the death throes of the child.
Even the end credits are shoddy: Nahum Sharaf is billed, carelessly,
as the "principle" investigator for the IDF.
as the "principle" investigator for the IDF.
This pathetic and failed con job is nicely summed up in the comments
section by greeny 1980, who observes that "the narrative is very
similar to some holocaust denial videos."
section by greeny 1980, who observes that "the narrative is very
similar to some holocaust denial videos."
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On May 26, 4:02 pm, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
> On May 26, 5:54 pm, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> > "colp" <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
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> > On May 25, 4:04 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On May 24, 11:01 pm, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 25, 3:29 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On May 24, 9:46 pm, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
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> > > > > > On May 25, 11:19 am, peterwn <pete...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On May 25, 10:39 am, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > Firstly you do four postings on virtually the same topic.
> > > > > > > And none of them have anything to do with NZ.
>
> > > > > > Except that the creation if the state of Israel was due in part to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > support of the British government, with NZ originally being a
> > > > > > British
> > > > > > colony. Britian is linked to state terrorism in part by Israel -
> > > > > > Israel had foreknowledge of the 7/7 London attacks and has a history
> > > > > > of involvement in false flag terrorism.
>
> > > > > What a k00k.
>
> > > > Hey dipshit, did you believe that bin Laden was killed by US forces in
> > > > Afghanistan and the recent video, including the "confession video" was
> > > > real?-
>
> > > I consider you a k00k and will not waste time with you.
>
> > Yeah, run back crying to the MSM, dipshit.
> > ******************************
>
> > What a delightful,l rational argument you put foreward here Colp.
>
> He has already made it clear that he won't consider a rational
> argument from me, fuckwit.-
> On May 26, 5:54 pm, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "colp" <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
>
> >news:a3a4aa7a-65c0-4c44-ba4d-
> > On May 25, 4:04 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 24, 11:01 pm, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 25, 3:29 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 24, 9:46 pm, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
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> > > > > > On May 25, 11:19 am, peterwn <pete...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On May 25, 10:39 am, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > Firstly you do four postings on virtually the same topic.
> > > > > > > And none of them have anything to do with NZ.
>
> > > > > > Except that the creation if the state of Israel was due in part to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > support of the British government, with NZ originally being a
> > > > > > British
> > > > > > colony. Britian is linked to state terrorism in part by Israel -
> > > > > > Israel had foreknowledge of the 7/7 London attacks and has a history
> > > > > > of involvement in false flag terrorism.
>
> > > > > What a k00k.
>
> > > > Hey dipshit, did you believe that bin Laden was killed by US forces in
> > > > Afghanistan and the recent video, including the "confession video" was
> > > > real?-
>
> > > I consider you a k00k and will not waste time with you.
>
> > Yeah, run back crying to the MSM, dipshit.
> > ******************************
>
> > What a delightful,l rational argument you put foreward here Colp.
>
> He has already made it clear that he won't consider a rational
> argument from me, fuckwit.-
That is because you are a Jew baiting k00k without any rational
arguments. It is
a non starter for me. I won't waste my time talking to a tree, and I
won't waste my time
on k00ks like you.
arguments. It is
a non starter for me. I won't waste my time talking to a tree, and I
won't waste my time
on k00ks like you.
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>
> I know I'm wasting my time with this, but why don't you go to the library, take out a book, and r-r-r-r-r-read it? In fact, why don't you read ten books? Right now, you know nothing at all. You are wasting the time not of others, who routinely skip your vacant one-liners, but of yourself.
> I know I'm wasting my time with this, but why don't you go to the library, take out a book, and r-r-r-r-r-read it? In fact, why don't you read ten books? Right now, you know nothing at all. You are wasting the time not of others, who routinely skip your vacant one-liners, but of yourself.
Please take this advice in the spirit it was intended. (See you in
three months.)
three months.)
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So in your world, any argument which offends your beliefs is deemed
irrational, and anyone who promotes such beliefs is a kook?
irrational, and anyone who promotes such beliefs is a kook?
Simply put, you are a fucktard who can't cope with the facts.
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I think if we took a count of posts, most people ignore your posts and
the ones that don't seem to ask you to quit spamming, so
I don't think I have anything to worry on that account. I do my share
of reading, I just don't read things that fill my head with ideas
to defend and lie for the most hateful people on the planet, the way
that you do. So I think I am safe on that account as well.
the ones that don't seem to ask you to quit spamming, so
I don't think I have anything to worry on that account. I do my share
of reading, I just don't read things that fill my head with ideas
to defend and lie for the most hateful people on the planet, the way
that you do. So I think I am safe on that account as well.
> Please take this advice in the spirit it was intended. (See you in
> three months.)-
You are no better than the k00k colp, you seem just a little more
arrogant. I am assuming that you have taken pleasure in being
one of the many people that have destroyed multiple groups on usenet.
Take a bow. Where the leftists go, destruction is always
not too far behind.
arrogant. I am assuming that you have taken pleasure in being
one of the many people that have destroyed multiple groups on usenet.
Take a bow. Where the leftists go, destruction is always
not too far behind.
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What ever you say. You win, k00k.
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"Mo" <morriss...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On May 27, 1:36 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:d2778843-2c23-4e66-
>> b507-950af11de...@d26g2000prn.
>> > On May 26, 12:58 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:be5bee7c-720a-4187-
>> >> b852-1f0242883...@x38g2000pri.
>> >> > On May 25, 1:39 pm, Sue Bilstein <sue.bilst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On May 25, 12:55 pm, John Cawston <rewar...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Wednesday, 25/May-2011 11:19 a.m., peterwn wrote:
>> >> >> > > On May 25, 10:39 am, Mo<morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > > <snip>
>>
>> >> >> > Palywood Productions strikes again, and again and again..
>>
>> >> >> So true. The Mohmmed al-Dura story has been thoroughly debunked. It
>> >> >> would have required a temprary suspension of the laws of physics
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> the Israelis to have shot the boy. Either he was shot by other
>> >> >> Palestinians, or he was not shot at all and the whole thing was
>> >> >> staged
>> >> >> - which is probably the most likely explanation.
>>
>> >> >> But what is truth? Just an inconvenience for people like Morrissey.
>> >> >> After all, he still claims to believe in the "Jenin Massacre",
>> >> >> which
>> >> >> all parties - Israeli, Palestinians, and NGOs - agree never
>> >> >> happened.
>>
>> >> > Never happened, did it, Bilstein! While they're suffering under
>> >> > massive gunfire from an occupying army, these fraudulent PEASANTS
>> >> > somehow manage to produce the slickest hoax the world has ever seen.
>> >> > So slick that the IDF commanders were suckered into apologizing for
>> >> > killing the boy. But no! After careful consultation with expert
>> >> > government PR people, the IDF now agrees that they were FOOLED into
>> >> > confessing for something THEY DIDN'T DO!
>>
>> >> > The IDF was TRICKED by those clever hoaxers producing a video which
>> >> > LOOKS like the real thing! The genius of those Palestinians!
>>
>> >>
>> >> http://frontpagemag.com/2010/
>>
>> >> Mo, you've seen this, why not comment on it?
>> >> Was this research done by "government PR people"?
>> >> Too many proven PA frauds like this,
>> >> have convinced Israeli authorities
>> >> to change its policy regarding apologies.
>>
>> > Zev, I am disappointed in you. This is a laughable video, with many
>> > similarities to 9/11 conspiracy and moon landing hoax videos.
>>
>> > It's hard to respect your judgement when you are participating in such
>> > a cynical and brutal lying campaign, and doing so by citing one of the
>> > most obnoxious and deranged sites on the internet. Do you know
>> > anything about David Horror-wits? Do you know what he says about the
>> > Palestinian people? If you did, I don't think you would be quoting him
>> > other than in jest. It's instructive that Horror-wits' FontPage
>> > Magazine is the outlet for this craziness.
>>
>> I know nothing whatsoever about David Horror-wits.
>
> Then let me introduce you. Here he is being laughed off the Larry King
> Show, after he tries to justify the abuse of 9/11 victims...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
news:
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> On May 27, 1:36 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:d2778843-2c23-4e66-
>> b507-950af11de...@d26g2000prn.
>> > On May 26, 12:58 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:be5bee7c-720a-4187-
>> >> b852-1f0242883...@x38g2000pri.
>> >> > On May 25, 1:39 pm, Sue Bilstein <sue.bilst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On May 25, 12:55 pm, John Cawston <rewar...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Wednesday, 25/May-2011 11:19 a.m., peterwn wrote:
>> >> >> > > On May 25, 10:39 am, Mo<morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > > <snip>
>> >> >> > > Firstly you do four postings on virtually the same topic.
>> >> >> > > And none of them have anything to do with NZ.
>> >> >> > > Go away spammer.>> >> >> > > And none of them have anything to do with NZ.
>>
>> >> >> > Palywood Productions strikes again, and again and again..
>>
>> >> >> So true. The Mohmmed al-Dura story has been thoroughly debunked. It
>> >> >> would have required a temprary suspension of the laws of physics
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> the Israelis to have shot the boy. Either he was shot by other
>> >> >> Palestinians, or he was not shot at all and the whole thing was
>> >> >> staged
>> >> >> - which is probably the most likely explanation.
>>
>> >> >> But what is truth? Just an inconvenience for people like Morrissey.
>> >> >> After all, he still claims to believe in the "Jenin Massacre",
>> >> >> which
>> >> >> all parties - Israeli, Palestinians, and NGOs - agree never
>> >> >> happened.
>>
>> >> > Never happened, did it, Bilstein! While they're suffering under
>> >> > massive gunfire from an occupying army, these fraudulent PEASANTS
>> >> > somehow manage to produce the slickest hoax the world has ever seen.
>> >> > So slick that the IDF commanders were suckered into apologizing for
>> >> > killing the boy. But no! After careful consultation with expert
>> >> > government PR people, the IDF now agrees that they were FOOLED into
>> >> > confessing for something THEY DIDN'T DO!
>>
>> >> > The IDF was TRICKED by those clever hoaxers producing a video which
>> >> > LOOKS like the real thing! The genius of those Palestinians!
>>
>> >>
>> >> http://frontpagemag.com/2010/
>>
>> >> Mo, you've seen this, why not comment on it?
>> >> Was this research done by "government PR people"?
>> >> Too many proven PA frauds like this,
>> >> have convinced Israeli authorities
>> >> to change its policy regarding apologies.
>>
>> > Zev, I am disappointed in you. This is a laughable video, with many
>> > similarities to 9/11 conspiracy and moon landing hoax videos.
>>
>> > It's hard to respect your judgement when you are participating in such
>> > a cynical and brutal lying campaign, and doing so by citing one of the
>> > most obnoxious and deranged sites on the internet. Do you know
>> > anything about David Horror-wits? Do you know what he says about the
>> > Palestinian people? If you did, I don't think you would be quoting him
>> > other than in jest. It's instructive that Horror-wits' FontPage
>> > Magazine is the outlet for this craziness.
>>
>> I know nothing whatsoever about David Horror-wits.
>
> Then let me introduce you. Here he is being laughed off the Larry King
> Show, after he tries to justify the abuse of 9/11 victims...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
David wasn't laughed off the show at all, not even close.
>> I saw the analysis, it raises important points and questions.
>
> There is no analysis. Tellingly, nearly the whole interview consists
> of Karsenty and Glazov talking, and not talking about the killing of
> that boy. They're mainly airing their extreme right wing views---even
> denying the reality of global warming.
>
> There is no analysis. Tellingly, nearly the whole interview consists
> of Karsenty and Glazov talking, and not talking about the killing of
> that boy. They're mainly airing their extreme right wing views---even
> denying the reality of global warming.
>> It places serious doubt on the Palestinian claims.
>> Calling it laughable while presenting no arguments
>
> But Karsenty and Glazov presented neither evidence nor arguments.
>
>>
>> makes an impression opposite to the one you'd like to make.
>
> And what impression would I "like to make", Zev? The only people here
> obsessed about impressions are those who want to suggest that somehow
> the Israeli army did not kill this one boy. Even after APOLOGIZING for
> their killing of the boy.
>
>>
>> > Quite apart from the impossibility of ACTING a death scene like these
>> > fools allege, Zev, you need to answer two important questions: Why did
>> > the IDF apologize for killing the boy after the video was shown around
>> > the world?
>>
>> Many people in Israel believed it,
>
> No, many people in Israel could not believe what they were seeing.
> This kind of material is usually censored by Israeli television---and
> from American and British television too.
>> Calling it laughable while presenting no arguments
>
> But Karsenty and Glazov presented neither evidence nor arguments.
>
>>
>> makes an impression opposite to the one you'd like to make.
>
> And what impression would I "like to make", Zev? The only people here
> obsessed about impressions are those who want to suggest that somehow
> the Israeli army did not kill this one boy. Even after APOLOGIZING for
> their killing of the boy.
>
>>
>> > Quite apart from the impossibility of ACTING a death scene like these
>> > fools allege, Zev, you need to answer two important questions: Why did
>> > the IDF apologize for killing the boy after the video was shown around
>> > the world?
>>
>> Many people in Israel believed it,
>
> No, many people in Israel could not believe what they were seeing.
> This kind of material is usually censored by Israeli television---and
> from American and British television too.
Millions of people who saw it on Israeli television
will be surprised to learn that.
In particular, they'd be asking what Israel was apologizing about.
will be surprised to learn that.
In particular, they'd be asking what Israel was apologizing about.
Obviously, it was believed.
Why would it be censored?
Why would it be censored?
>> and thought
>> that the very least they could do was
>> to apologize for a tragic death.
>>
>> > And why would the Palestinians NEED to fake this? The
>> > killing of Mohammed Al Dura was, and is, nothing out of the ordinary.
>> > It happens constantly in the Occupied Territories.
>>
>> There you are, Mo.
>> Proof that your assumption is untrue.
>>
>> > This sort of thing...
>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>>
>> And this:http://www.youtube.com/
>
> I watched it all, Zev, and I'm astonished that someone like you could
> have any other thoughts than revulsion for it. Any viewer will have
> noted the consistently mocking tone of the narrator. He speaks slowly,
> in a low voice, which is designed to impart authority and gravitas to
> what he is saying. Unfortunately, the content of his script blows all
> that apart.
>
> The mocking is at its most vicious when he asks a series of rhetorical
> questions: "Why so little? Why so unfocused? The boy and father were
> protected by the barrel. Why did the cameraman hide behind the boy and
> father when they were obviously not protected?"
>> that the very least they could do was
>> to apologize for a tragic death.
>>
>> > And why would the Palestinians NEED to fake this? The
>> > killing of Mohammed Al Dura was, and is, nothing out of the ordinary.
>> > It happens constantly in the Occupied Territories.
>>
>> There you are, Mo.
>> Proof that your assumption is untrue.
>>
>> > This sort of thing...
>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>>
>> And this:http://www.youtube.com/
>
> I watched it all, Zev, and I'm astonished that someone like you could
> have any other thoughts than revulsion for it. Any viewer will have
> noted the consistently mocking tone of the narrator. He speaks slowly,
> in a low voice, which is designed to impart authority and gravitas to
> what he is saying. Unfortunately, the content of his script blows all
> that apart.
>
> The mocking is at its most vicious when he asks a series of rhetorical
> questions: "Why so little? Why so unfocused? The boy and father were
> protected by the barrel. Why did the cameraman hide behind the boy and
> father when they were obviously not protected?"
> This brave, brave narrator even suggests that having an invading army
> shooting at people in your streets is no big deal: "If the scene were
> as terrible as described… We hear gunshots, but also long periods of
> silence."
>
> Then comes the really bizarre part of the video: he claims that it's
> all a fake, that the Palestinians are making a MOVIE! "How did all
> these people move away and not the Al Durras? Were they running away
> or clearing a set?"
>
> He even mocks the death throes of the child.
> shooting at people in your streets is no big deal: "If the scene were
> as terrible as described… We hear gunshots, but also long periods of
> silence."
>
> Then comes the really bizarre part of the video: he claims that it's
> all a fake, that the Palestinians are making a MOVIE! "How did all
> these people move away and not the Al Durras? Were they running away
> or clearing a set?"
>
> He even mocks the death throes of the child.
"Death throes"?
Seconds after being shot in the stomach?
Before blood stains can be seen?
Are you kidding?
Seconds after being shot in the stomach?
Before blood stains can be seen?
Are you kidding?
> Even the end credits are shoddy: Nahum Sharaf is billed, carelessly,
> as the "principle" investigator for the IDF.
> as the "principle" investigator for the IDF.
My guess is that if it says so he was.
Why would anyone lie about it?
Do you know something about this?
Why would anyone lie about it?
Do you know something about this?
> This pathetic and failed con job is nicely summed up in the comments
> section by greeny 1980, who observes that "the narrative is very
> similar to some holocaust denial videos."
> section by greeny 1980, who observes that "the narrative is very
> similar to some holocaust denial videos."
These scenes were shot by Palestinians!
Mo, you can't even answer the rhetorical questions
which you yourself have repeated here,
let alone the ones you were wise enough to leave out.
But forget the missing blood, Physics and bullet angles.
Just watch the ironic smile on the face of Talal abu Rahma,
near the end.
That says it all.
Mo, you can't even answer the rhetorical questions
which you yourself have repeated here,
let alone the ones you were wise enough to leave out.
But forget the missing blood, Physics and bullet angles.
Just watch the ironic smile on the face of Talal abu Rahma,
near the end.
That says it all.
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No you don't. That's painfully obvious by the quality of your posts.
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On May 27, 9:10 pm, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:
> 6ac38c3f-7537-47df-905a-> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:
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ornery to do that, no matter how much he offends people. But the
contempt of the other people in the studio was clear.
>
>
>
>
>
> >> I saw the analysis, it raises important points and questions.
>
> > There is no analysis. Tellingly, nearly the whole interview consists
> > of Karsenty and Glazov talking, and not talking about the killing of
> > that boy. They're mainly airing their extreme right wing views---even
> > denying the reality of global warming.
> >> It places serious doubt on the Palestinian claims.
> >> Calling it laughable while presenting no arguments
>
> > But Karsenty and Glazov presented neither evidence nor arguments.
>
> >> makes an impression opposite to the one you'd like to make.
>
> > And what impression would I "like to make", Zev? The only people here
> > obsessed about impressions are those who want to suggest that somehow
> > the Israeli army did not kill this one boy. Even after APOLOGIZING for
> > their killing of the boy.
>
> >> > Quite apart from the impossibility of ACTING a death scene like these
> >> > fools allege, Zev, you need to answer two important questions: Why did
> >> > the IDF apologize for killing the boy after the video was shown around
> >> > the world?
>
> >> Many people in Israel believed it,
>
> > No, many people in Israel could not believe what they were seeing.
> > This kind of material is usually censored by Israeli television---and
> > from American and British television too.
>
> Millions of people who saw it on Israeli television
> will be surprised to learn that.
> In particular, they'd be asking what Israel was apologizing about.
>
>
>
>
> >> I saw the analysis, it raises important points and questions.
>
> > There is no analysis. Tellingly, nearly the whole interview consists
> > of Karsenty and Glazov talking, and not talking about the killing of
> > that boy. They're mainly airing their extreme right wing views---even
> > denying the reality of global warming.
> >> It places serious doubt on the Palestinian claims.
> >> Calling it laughable while presenting no arguments
>
> > But Karsenty and Glazov presented neither evidence nor arguments.
>
> >> makes an impression opposite to the one you'd like to make.
>
> > And what impression would I "like to make", Zev? The only people here
> > obsessed about impressions are those who want to suggest that somehow
> > the Israeli army did not kill this one boy. Even after APOLOGIZING for
> > their killing of the boy.
>
> >> > Quite apart from the impossibility of ACTING a death scene like these
> >> > fools allege, Zev, you need to answer two important questions: Why did
> >> > the IDF apologize for killing the boy after the video was shown around
> >> > the world?
>
> >> Many people in Israel believed it,
>
> > No, many people in Israel could not believe what they were seeing.
> > This kind of material is usually censored by Israeli television---and
> > from American and British television too.
>
> Millions of people who saw it on Israeli television
> will be surprised to learn that.
> In particular, they'd be asking what Israel was apologizing about.
The IDF apologized for killing the boy. Do you think their commanders
were bamboozled into it?
were bamboozled into it?
>
> Obviously, it was believed.
> Why would it be censored?
> Obviously, it was believed.
> Why would it be censored?
Television stations in Israel are compelled to submit their film to
IDF censors. Only occasionally does the IDF permit the everyday
actions of its forces to be televised. And occasionally, just
occasionally, Israeli TV stations show some courage and buck the
censorship....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
IDF censors. Only occasionally does the IDF permit the everyday
actions of its forces to be televised. And occasionally, just
occasionally, Israeli TV stations show some courage and buck the
censorship....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
Please don't try to say THIS is a Pallywood production---although
those two insouciant soldiers are about as evil and horrifying as
anything a Palestinian movie director could dream up. Lolling back and
smiling sardonically after killing the mother of the house, one of
them says "I don't know what we're doing here. Purification, maybe!
It's dirty here. I don't know why a good Hebrew boy should be here so
far from his home."
those two insouciant soldiers are about as evil and horrifying as
anything a Palestinian movie director could dream up. Lolling back and
smiling sardonically after killing the mother of the house, one of
them says "I don't know what we're doing here. Purification, maybe!
It's dirty here. I don't know why a good Hebrew boy should be here so
far from his home."
His comrade says he "approves of the operation", and that it "really
isn't so bad". The soldiers then tear the house apart.
isn't so bad". The soldiers then tear the house apart.
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No I am not kidding. Neither was Mohammed Al Durra.
>
> > Even the end credits are shoddy: Nahum Sharaf is billed, carelessly,
> > as the "principle" investigator for the IDF.
>
> My guess is that if it says so he was.
> Why would anyone lie about it?
> Do you know something about this?
> > Even the end credits are shoddy: Nahum Sharaf is billed, carelessly,
> > as the "principle" investigator for the IDF.
>
> My guess is that if it says so he was.
> Why would anyone lie about it?
> Do you know something about this?
No, the mistake is in the spelling. It should be "principal
investigator". It's just another pointer to the shoddiness and lack of
integrity of this video.
investigator". It's just another pointer to the shoddiness and lack of
integrity of this video.
>
> > This pathetic and failed con job is nicely summed up in the comments
> > section by greeny 1980, who observes that "the narrative is very
> > similar to some holocaust denial videos."
>
> These scenes were shot by Palestinians!
> > This pathetic and failed con job is nicely summed up in the comments
> > section by greeny 1980, who observes that "the narrative is very
> > similar to some holocaust denial videos."
>
> These scenes were shot by Palestinians!
Yes, but not as a brilliantly produced fiction under gunfire, as these
conspiracy loons are trying to convince us.
conspiracy loons are trying to convince us.
>
> Mo, you can't even answer the rhetorical questions
> which you yourself have repeated here,
> Mo, you can't even answer the rhetorical questions
> which you yourself have repeated here,
I put them up to show their callousness, and their frivolity. "Why so
unfocused?" and "Why did the cameraman hide behind the boy and
father when they were obviously not protected?" Why do YOU think
people being fired at hide anywhere, I wonder? It's called
desperation.
unfocused?" and "Why did the cameraman hide behind the boy and
father when they were obviously not protected?" Why do YOU think
people being fired at hide anywhere, I wonder? It's called
desperation.
>
>
> let alone the ones you were wise enough to leave out.
>
> let alone the ones you were wise enough to leave out.
I'm not going to put all their questions up because they are all
equally specious. These are rhetorical questions, designed to cast
ridicule on terrified people trying to shelter from sustained gunfire.
equally specious. These are rhetorical questions, designed to cast
ridicule on terrified people trying to shelter from sustained gunfire.
> But forget the missing blood, Physics and bullet angles.
> Just watch the ironic smile on the face of Talal abu Rahma,
> near the end.
> That says it all.
> Just watch the ironic smile on the face of Talal abu Rahma,
> near the end.
> That says it all.
No it does not. There are many reasons why he smiled like that.
Neither you nor anyone else can divine what a smile means.
Neither you nor anyone else can divine what a smile means.
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"Mo" <morriss...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Well, that's a convincing argument...
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Do I have to tell you what the point of the production was?
>> Obviously, it was believed.
>> Why would it be censored?
>
> Television stations in Israel are compelled to submit their film to
> IDF censors. Only occasionally does the IDF permit the everyday
> actions of its forces to be televised. And occasionally, just
> occasionally, Israeli TV stations show some courage and buck the
> censorship....
>> Why would it be censored?
>
> Television stations in Israel are compelled to submit their film to
> IDF censors. Only occasionally does the IDF permit the everyday
> actions of its forces to be televised. And occasionally, just
> occasionally, Israeli TV stations show some courage and buck the
> censorship....
Can you answer the question?
Here it is again:
Here it is again:
Obviously, it was believed.
Why would it be censored?
>
> Please don't try to say THIS is a Pallywood production---although
> those two insouciant soldiers are about as evil and horrifying as
> anything a Palestinian movie director could dream up. Lolling back and
> smiling sardonically after killing the mother of the house, one of
> them says "I don't know what we're doing here. Purification, maybe!
> It's dirty here. I don't know why a good Hebrew boy should be here so
> far from his home."
>
> His comrade says he "approves of the operation", and that it "really
> isn't so bad". The soldiers then tear the house apart.
The translation is misleading.
Tihur (=purification) is the standard procedure of every army
after entering a place in which there may be
enemy soldiers and/or weapons.
That's what the "purification" refers to.
The soldier who uses the expression doesn't like what he's doing,
it's not what he's been trained for,
and nobody likes dealing with screaming women.
He says he doesn't know what he's doing there,
and knowing the various meanings of the word,
puns "maybe it's dirty here".
Tihur (=purification) is the standard procedure of every army
after entering a place in which there may be
enemy soldiers and/or weapons.
That's what the "purification" refers to.
The soldier who uses the expression doesn't like what he's doing,
it's not what he's been trained for,
and nobody likes dealing with screaming women.
He says he doesn't know what he's doing there,
and knowing the various meanings of the word,
puns "maybe it's dirty here".
The translation of the other soldier's words isn't any better.
He says: "it's not that we're initiating this"
and is translated as:
"he approved of the operation, it really isn't so bad".
He says: "it's not that we're initiating this"
and is translated as:
"he approved of the operation, it really isn't so bad".
This clip is from the Second Intifada, March 2002,
when suicide bombers murdered
130 mostly Israeli civilians that month alone.
Mo, you brought this clip up last December.
What's the point in bringing it up again?
when suicide bombers murdered
130 mostly Israeli civilians that month alone.
Mo, you brought this clip up last December.
What's the point in bringing it up again?
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If you're not kidding, you're being willfully blind.
>> > Even the end credits are shoddy: Nahum Sharaf is billed, carelessly,
>> > as the "principle" investigator for the IDF.
>>
>> My guess is that if it says so he was.
>> Why would anyone lie about it?
>> Do you know something about this?
>
> No, the mistake is in the spelling. It should be "principal
> investigator". It's just another pointer to the shoddiness and lack of
> integrity of this video.
>> > as the "principle" investigator for the IDF.
>>
>> My guess is that if it says so he was.
>> Why would anyone lie about it?
>> Do you know something about this?
>
> No, the mistake is in the spelling. It should be "principal
> investigator". It's just another pointer to the shoddiness and lack of
> integrity of this video.
English is a second language for most Israelis
and spelling checkers won't catch this kind of mistake.
You're right, but it's a cheap shot.
Why not deal with substance instead?
and spelling checkers won't catch this kind of mistake.
You're right, but it's a cheap shot.
Why not deal with substance instead?
>> > This pathetic and failed con job is nicely summed up in the comments
>> > section by greeny 1980, who observes that "the narrative is very
>> > similar to some holocaust denial videos."
>>
>> These scenes were shot by Palestinians!
>
> Yes, but not as a brilliantly produced fiction under gunfire, as these
> conspiracy loons are trying to convince us.
>
>>
>> Mo, you can't even answer the rhetorical questions
>> which you yourself have repeated here,
>
> I put them up to show their callousness, and their frivolity. "Why so
> unfocused?" and "Why did the cameraman hide behind the boy and
> father when they were obviously not protected?" Why do YOU think
> people being fired at hide anywhere, I wonder? It's called
> desperation.
>> > section by greeny 1980, who observes that "the narrative is very
>> > similar to some holocaust denial videos."
>>
>> These scenes were shot by Palestinians!
>
> Yes, but not as a brilliantly produced fiction under gunfire, as these
> conspiracy loons are trying to convince us.
>
>>
>> Mo, you can't even answer the rhetorical questions
>> which you yourself have repeated here,
>
> I put them up to show their callousness, and their frivolity. "Why so
> unfocused?" and "Why did the cameraman hide behind the boy and
> father when they were obviously not protected?" Why do YOU think
> people being fired at hide anywhere, I wonder? It's called
> desperation.
The cameraman ran *to* a spot which was obviously not protected!
>> let alone the ones you were wise enough to leave out.
>
> I'm not going to put all their questions up because they are all
> equally specious. These are rhetorical questions, designed to cast
> ridicule on terrified people trying to shelter from sustained gunfire.
>
>> But forget the missing blood, Physics and bullet angles.
>> Just watch the ironic smile on the face of Talal abu Rahma,
>> near the end.
>> That says it all.
>
> No it does not. There are many reasons why he smiled like that.
> Neither you nor anyone else can divine what a smile means.
>
> I'm not going to put all their questions up because they are all
> equally specious. These are rhetorical questions, designed to cast
> ridicule on terrified people trying to shelter from sustained gunfire.
>
>> But forget the missing blood, Physics and bullet angles.
>> Just watch the ironic smile on the face of Talal abu Rahma,
>> near the end.
>> That says it all.
>
> No it does not. There are many reasons why he smiled like that.
> Neither you nor anyone else can divine what a smile means.
He was asked a pointed question and he said
he doesn't have to tell everything, some things can be kept secret,
and then you see that smile.
he doesn't have to tell everything, some things can be kept secret,
and then you see that smile.
"It's hard to respect your judgment when you are participating
in such a cynical and brutal lying campaign...".
Indeed true.
in such a cynical and brutal lying campaign...".
Indeed true.
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On May 29, 8:46 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:aefdd40f-5c75-40db-a1ea-> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> cf7c8c8f9...@h12g2000pro.
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They should have been used to screaming women, surely. Anyway, the
woman was dead. They killed her.
woman was dead. They killed her.
>
> He says he doesn't know what he's doing there,
> and knowing the various meanings of the word,
> puns "maybe it's dirty here".
>
> The translation of the other soldier's words isn't any better.
> He says: "it's not that we're initiating this"
> and is translated as:
> "he approved of the operation, it really isn't so bad".
> He says he doesn't know what he's doing there,
> and knowing the various meanings of the word,
> puns "maybe it's dirty here".
>
> The translation of the other soldier's words isn't any better.
> He says: "it's not that we're initiating this"
> and is translated as:
> "he approved of the operation, it really isn't so bad".
Thanks for the translation, Zev. It's appreciated.
>
> This clip is from the Second Intifada, March 2002,
> when suicide bombers murdered
> 130 mostly Israeli civilians that month alone.
> This clip is from the Second Intifada, March 2002,
> when suicide bombers murdered
> 130 mostly Israeli civilians that month alone.
And this woman and her sons were suicide bombers?
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On May 29, 9:35 am, Radio Transcripts Ltd
> > >> > as terrible as...
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Sorry! That should read: "this woman and her son and daughter"
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On Tue, 24 May 2011 15:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Mo
<morriss...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<morriss...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Focus on Gaza - Al Durra special - 17 Apr 09 - Pt 1
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>
Sheesh, another **YAWN** video from Mo.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>
Sheesh, another **YAWN** video from Mo.
The Muhammad al-Durrah incident took place in the Gaza Strip on
September 30, 2000, on the second day of the Second Intifada, amid
widespread rioting throughout the Palestinian territories. Jamal
al-Durrah and his 12-year-old son, Muhammad, were filmed by Talal Abu
Rahma, a Palestinian cameraman freelancing for France 2, as they
sought cover behind a concrete cylinder after being caught in
crossfire between Israeli soldiers and Palestinian security forces.
The footage, which lasts just over a minute, shows the pair holding
onto each other, the boy crying and the father waving, then a burst of
gunfire and dust, after which the boy is seen slumped across his
father's legs.[1]
September 30, 2000, on the second day of the Second Intifada, amid
widespread rioting throughout the Palestinian territories. Jamal
al-Durrah and his 12-year-old son, Muhammad, were filmed by Talal Abu
Rahma, a Palestinian cameraman freelancing for France 2, as they
sought cover behind a concrete cylinder after being caught in
crossfire between Israeli soldiers and Palestinian security forces.
The footage, which lasts just over a minute, shows the pair holding
onto each other, the boy crying and the father waving, then a burst of
gunfire and dust, after which the boy is seen slumped across his
father's legs.[1]
Fifty-nine seconds of the scene were broadcast in France with a
voiceover from Charles Enderlin, France 2's bureau chief in Israel,
who did not witness the incident, telling viewers that the al-Durrahs
had been the "target of fire from the Israeli positions," and that the
boy had died.[2] After an emotional public funeral, Muhammad was
hailed throughout the Arab and Muslim worlds as a martyr. The Israel
Defense Forces (IDF) accepted responsibility at first, a position they
formally withdrew in September 2007.[3]
voiceover from Charles Enderlin, France 2's bureau chief in Israel,
who did not witness the incident, telling viewers that the al-Durrahs
had been the "target of fire from the Israeli positions," and that the
boy had died.[2] After an emotional public funeral, Muhammad was
hailed throughout the Arab and Muslim worlds as a martyr. The Israel
Defense Forces (IDF) accepted responsibility at first, a position they
formally withdrew in September 2007.[3]
In the following months and years, several commentators questioned the
accuracy of France 2's report. An IDF investigation in October 2000
concluded the IDF had probably not shot the al-Durrahs.[4] Three
senior French journalists who saw the raw footage in 2004 said it was
not clear from the footage alone that the boy had died, and that
France 2 cut a final few seconds in which he appeared to lift his hand
from his face. France 2's news editor said in 2005 that no one could
say for sure who fired the shots, but other commentators, including
the director of the Israeli government press office, went further,
saying the scene had been staged by Palestinian protesters. Philippe
Karsenty, a French media commentator, was sued for libel by France 2
for suggesting this; a ruling against him was overturned by the Paris
Court of Appeal in May 2008, a decision France 2 has appealed.[5]
accuracy of France 2's report. An IDF investigation in October 2000
concluded the IDF had probably not shot the al-Durrahs.[4] Three
senior French journalists who saw the raw footage in 2004 said it was
not clear from the footage alone that the boy had died, and that
France 2 cut a final few seconds in which he appeared to lift his hand
from his face. France 2's news editor said in 2005 that no one could
say for sure who fired the shots, but other commentators, including
the director of the Israeli government press office, went further,
saying the scene had been staged by Palestinian protesters. Philippe
Karsenty, a French media commentator, was sued for libel by France 2
for suggesting this; a ruling against him was overturned by the Paris
Court of Appeal in May 2008, a decision France 2 has appealed.[5]
The footage of the father and son acquired what one writer called the
power of a battle flag. For the Palestinians, it confirmed their view
of the apparently limitless nature of Israel's brutality toward them,
while for sections of the Israeli and Jewish communities the
allegations were a modern blood libel, the ancient antisemitic
association of Jews with child sacrifice. The scene was evoked in
other deaths. It was blamed for the October 2000 lynching of two
Israeli army reservists in Ramallah, and was seen in the background
when Daniel Pearl, a Jewish-American journalist, was beheaded by
al-Qaeda in 2002.[6] James Fallows writes that no version of the truth
about the footage will ever emerge that all sides consider believable.
Charles Enderlin has called it a cultural prism, its viewers seeing
what they want to see.[7]
power of a battle flag. For the Palestinians, it confirmed their view
of the apparently limitless nature of Israel's brutality toward them,
while for sections of the Israeli and Jewish communities the
allegations were a modern blood libel, the ancient antisemitic
association of Jews with child sacrifice. The scene was evoked in
other deaths. It was blamed for the October 2000 lynching of two
Israeli army reservists in Ramallah, and was seen in the background
when Daniel Pearl, a Jewish-American journalist, was beheaded by
al-Qaeda in 2002.[6] James Fallows writes that no version of the truth
about the footage will ever emerge that all sides consider believable.
Charles Enderlin has called it a cultural prism, its viewers seeing
what they want to see.[7]
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Read the rest of the truth, sans Mo's bullshit, here:
Read the rest of the truth, sans Mo's bullshit, here:
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"Radio Transcripts Ltd" <daisycut...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:
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> On May 29, 8:46 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:aefdd40f-5c75-40db-a1ea-
>> cf7c8c8f9...@h12g2000pro.
>> > On May 27, 9:10 pm, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:
>> >> 6ac38c3f-7537-47df-905a-
>> >> > On May 27, 1:36 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:d2778843-2c23-4e66-
>> >> >> b507-950af11de...@d26g2000prn.
>> >> >> > On May 26, 12:58 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
news:
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> On May 29, 8:46 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:aefdd40f-5c75-40db-a1ea-
>> cf7c8c8f9...@h12g2000pro.
>> > On May 27, 9:10 pm, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:
>> >> 6ac38c3f-7537-47df-905a-
>> >> > On May 27, 1:36 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:d2778843-2c23-4e66-
>> >> >> b507-950af11de...@d26g2000prn.
>> >> >> > On May 26, 12:58 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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After writing a paragraph like this,
please consider adding instructions,
like, to laugh or to cry.
It may help me understand what you're trying to say.
please consider adding instructions,
like, to laugh or to cry.
It may help me understand what you're trying to say.
>> He says he doesn't know what he's doing there,
>> and knowing the various meanings of the word,
>> puns "maybe it's dirty here".
>>
>> The translation of the other soldier's words isn't any better.
>> He says: "it's not that we're initiating this"
>> and is translated as:
>> "he approved of the operation, it really isn't so bad".
>
> Thanks for the translation, Zev. It's appreciated.
>> and knowing the various meanings of the word,
>> puns "maybe it's dirty here".
>>
>> The translation of the other soldier's words isn't any better.
>> He says: "it's not that we're initiating this"
>> and is translated as:
>> "he approved of the operation, it really isn't so bad".
>
> Thanks for the translation, Zev. It's appreciated.
A better translation doesn't change anything substantive.
I object to the inflammatory translation because it serves no purpose
but to inspire negative feelings about Israel in general.
This conversation is no worse than
what you'll hear from grunts in any army,
including yours.
I object to the inflammatory translation because it serves no purpose
but to inspire negative feelings about Israel in general.
This conversation is no worse than
what you'll hear from grunts in any army,
including yours.
>> This clip is from the Second Intifada, March 2002,
>> when suicide bombers murdered
>> 130 mostly Israeli civilians that month alone.
>
> And this woman and her sons were suicide bombers?
>
>>
>> Mo, you brought this clip up last December.
>> What's the point in bringing it up again?
>> when suicide bombers murdered
>> 130 mostly Israeli civilians that month alone.
>
> And this woman and her sons were suicide bombers?
>
>>
>> Mo, you brought this clip up last December.
>> What's the point in bringing it up again?
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On May 30, 2:01 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Radio Transcripts Ltd" <daisycutterspo...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:
> 16cee4c6-1bdf-4e4c-8634-
> "Radio Transcripts Ltd" <daisycutterspo...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:
> 16cee4c6-1bdf-4e4c-8634-
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Why would you think I thought there was any levity in what I wrote?
But please feel free to laugh at the killing of this woman, if you
want.
But please feel free to laugh at the killing of this woman, if you
want.
>
> >> He says he doesn't know what he's doing there,
> >> and knowing the various meanings of the word,
> >> puns "maybe it's dirty here".
>
> >> The translation of the other soldier's words isn't any better.
> >> He says: "it's not that we're initiating this"
> >> and is translated as:
> >> "he approved of the operation, it really isn't so bad".
>
> > Thanks for the translation, Zev. It's appreciated.
>
> A better translation doesn't change anything substantive.
> >> He says he doesn't know what he's doing there,
> >> and knowing the various meanings of the word,
> >> puns "maybe it's dirty here".
>
> >> The translation of the other soldier's words isn't any better.
> >> He says: "it's not that we're initiating this"
> >> and is translated as:
> >> "he approved of the operation, it really isn't so bad".
>
> > Thanks for the translation, Zev. It's appreciated.
>
> A better translation doesn't change anything substantive.
Indeed it doesn't. The substance was: these soldiers killed a woman in
front of her family. They prevented an ambulance from being deployed.
They then tore the family's home apart.
front of her family. They prevented an ambulance from being deployed.
They then tore the family's home apart.
>
> I object to the inflammatory translation because it serves no purpose
> but to inspire negative feelings about Israel in general.
> I object to the inflammatory translation because it serves no purpose
> but to inspire negative feelings about Israel in general.
What inspires negative feelings about Israel is these criminal actions
by its army.
by its army.
>
>
> This conversation is no worse than
> what you'll hear from grunts in any army,
> including yours.
>
> This conversation is no worse than
> what you'll hear from grunts in any army,
> including yours.
Nonsense. I am unaware of one New Zealand soldier in Iraq or
Afghanistan who would sit back like those men and smilingly disparage
the civilians they have killed. The New Zealand army was deployed in
East Timor, but I am unaware of them destroying even one house and
killing even one civilian.
Afghanistan who would sit back like those men and smilingly disparage
the civilians they have killed. The New Zealand army was deployed in
East Timor, but I am unaware of them destroying even one house and
killing even one civilian.
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"Mo" <morriss...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:84d24927-e48f-4db5-ae90-50de2659dd6f@34g2000pru.
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Still no response?
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How did you expect me to react to a suggestion
that screaming women should be part of IDF training?
that screaming women should be part of IDF training?
>> >> He says he doesn't know what he's doing there,
>> >> and knowing the various meanings of the word,
>> >> puns "maybe it's dirty here".
>>
>> >> The translation of the other soldier's words isn't any better.
>> >> He says: "it's not that we're initiating this"
>> >> and is translated as:
>> >> "he approved of the operation, it really isn't so bad".
>>
>> > Thanks for the translation, Zev. It's appreciated.
>>
>> A better translation doesn't change anything substantive.
>
> Indeed it doesn't. The substance was: these soldiers killed a woman in
> front of her family. They prevented an ambulance from being deployed.
> They then tore the family's home apart.
>> >> and knowing the various meanings of the word,
>> >> puns "maybe it's dirty here".
>>
>> >> The translation of the other soldier's words isn't any better.
>> >> He says: "it's not that we're initiating this"
>> >> and is translated as:
>> >> "he approved of the operation, it really isn't so bad".
>>
>> > Thanks for the translation, Zev. It's appreciated.
>>
>> A better translation doesn't change anything substantive.
>
> Indeed it doesn't. The substance was: these soldiers killed a woman in
> front of her family. They prevented an ambulance from being deployed.
> They then tore the family's home apart.
There you go with an inflammatory description
of what happened.
of what happened.
>> I object to the inflammatory translation because it serves no purpose
>> but to inspire negative feelings about Israel in general.
>
> What inspires negative feelings about Israel is these criminal actions
> by its army.
>> but to inspire negative feelings about Israel in general.
>
> What inspires negative feelings about Israel is these criminal actions
> by its army.
Since so many armies are worse,
without inspiring those negative feelings,
that seems unlikely.
without inspiring those negative feelings,
that seems unlikely.
>> This conversation is no worse than
>> what you'll hear from grunts in any army,
>> including yours.
>
> Nonsense. I am unaware of one New Zealand soldier in Iraq or
> Afghanistan who would sit back like those men and smilingly disparage
> the civilians they have killed. The New Zealand army was deployed in
> East Timor, but I am unaware of them destroying even one house and
> killing even one civilian.
>> what you'll hear from grunts in any army,
>> including yours.
>
> Nonsense. I am unaware of one New Zealand soldier in Iraq or
> Afghanistan who would sit back like those men and smilingly disparage
> the civilians they have killed. The New Zealand army was deployed in
> East Timor, but I am unaware of them destroying even one house and
> killing even one civilian.
The differences are:
the level of reportage by enemies of the armies involved,
the ability of the army to choose those it sends to the front,
the number of times the army has been challenged,
and the history of the conflict itself.
the level of reportage by enemies of the armies involved,
the ability of the army to choose those it sends to the front,
the number of times the army has been challenged,
and the history of the conflict itself.
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