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“The world is full of internet tough guys!” Kiwi comedian comes out swinging (Dec. 3, 2013)

3 December 2013 at 5:16 pm
“The world is full of internet tough guys!”
Kiwi comedian comes out swinging
The Panel, Radio NZ National, Tuesday 3 December 2013
Jim Mora, Andrew Clay, Susan Hornsby-Geluk
Today’s episode of the Panel was generally mild and unmemorable—but it sprang to life during the “Soapbox” segment, when the professional comedian and co-opted spokesman for the New Zealand Army in Afghanistan, Andrew Clay, suddenly climbed up on his high horse and started shouting insanely about the likes of Te Reo Putake, Anne, McFlock, Tim, North, felix, Queen of Thorns, and this writer, i.e., moi….
ANDREW CLAY: The world is full of internet tough guys! Internet tough guys sitting in their darkened rooms! They have no life!
JIM MORA: [mockingly] The world is full of haters!
ANDREW CLAY: [fervently] Their comments are vicious, pointless, inane! They are weaklings and cowards!
SUSAN HORNSBY-GELUK: They should get out into the sun!
ANDREW CLAY: Ha ha ha! I agree! Get a life!
SUSAN HORNSBY-GELUK: Yep. Get a life. Get a life.
Meanwhile, over in Blighty another Andrew has been sounding off in similar fashion, portraying bloggers as “inadequate, pimpled and single”, and citizen journalism as the “spewings and rantings of very drunk people late at night”.….
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/oct/11/andrew-marr-bloggers
This is the kind of blog posting that riled Andrew Marr, that fine, serious and brave BBC journalist….
http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1385317693.html
  • gobsmacked24.1
    3 December 2013 at 5:31 pm
    Given your definition of “meanwhile”, we can safely assume that there is the usual gap between what you claim and what is said.
    • Morrissey24.1.1
      3 December 2013 at 8:42 pm
      Given your definition of “meanwhile”, we can safely assume that there is the usual gap between what you claim and what is said.
      What I wrote was pretty much exactly what poor old Andrew Clay said. I didn’t use a tape-recorder, so I have no doubt missed a few more choice epithets he hurled at the likes of me and you.
      Your rather hostile post does raise a couple of interesting points, viz. (1): If you don’t know what “meanwhile” means, could you consult a dictionary? and (2): Could you point to one instance of a “gap” between what I have claimed and what has been said?
      And a word to the wise, my friend: minor discrepancies like the odd missed or gratuitously inserted “ummm”, “ahhhh”, or “ha ha ha” are just that: minor discrepancies. Your job is a bit more difficult than seizing on insignificant transcription errors: you have to back up a rather extravagant accusation.
      • Te Reo Putake24.1.1.1
        3 December 2013 at 8:50 pm
        “Could you point to one instance of a “gap” between what I have claimed and what has been said? ”
        Jebus wept.
        • Morrissey24.1.1.1.1
          3 December 2013 at 8:56 pm
          Jebus [sic] wept.
          That’s not an intelligent answer, my friend. Surely you’re not back on that discredited jag of picking on minor transcription errors and shouting about that forever?
          • Te Reo Putake24.1.1.1.1.1
            3 December 2013 at 9:22 pm
            Poor sad, moz. No self awareness whatsoever. No honesty, no ownership. Makes me sic to my stomach..
            • felix…
              3 December 2013 at 9:34 pm
              Oh come on TRP, you know Moz only changes little things.
              Like words.
              And sentences.
              And context.
              And tone.
              And chronology.
              And sometimes the identity of the speakers.
              • Te Reo Putake…
                3 December 2013 at 9:44 pm
                Yes, quite right, felix. As you were, everyone.
              • Morrissey…
                4 December 2013 at 9:39 am
                1.) Oh come on TRP, you know Moz only changes little things.
                Correct so far, felix. Good going. So far.
                2.) Like words.
                Yep. As we all know, my transcripts are often done hurriedly, on an envelope, or a piece of wrapping paper, or whatever is to hand, and therefore minor errors are inevitable. I need a secretary. Mary Rose Woods, where are you?
                3.) And sentences.
                Yep. Happens occasionally. See previous excuse.
                4.) And context.
                Wrong. You know very well that one of my strengths is that I contextualize the ravings and witterings of the likes of Andrew Clay or Dr Michael “Bonkers” Bassett or Nevil “Breivik” Gibson. I show, or attempt to show, that what they say has roots, and is not just some random inanity (Clay) or casual lie (Bassett) or insane racist opinion (Gibson)
                5.) And tone.
                Again, you are out of your depth here. I get the tone of these often depraved conversations just about right every time, as many people have attested. The fact you appear to be tone-deaf, and unable to gauge just how pompous and nasty and irresponsible some of these media commentators are is a reflection on you—and not a very flattering one, I’m sorry to say.
                6.) And chronology.
                Minor errors occur when doing a rush transcript. See No. 2 above.
                7.) And sometimes the identity of the speakers.
                That’s very unusual, but it is possible. For instance, it would be easy to accidentally transpose the words of John Key, Bill English and Steven Joyce: all of them are glib, smooth and practised dissemblers. They all stay resolutely on message and doggedly parrot talking-points. Similarly, I have no doubt I have occasionally put inane laughter into the wrong mouth in a transcript, and attributed an inane comment to the wrong guest on the Panel. It happens.
      • sockpuppet24.1.1.2
        3 December 2013 at 8:58 pm
        Ah Morrisey what wit, it beggars imagination that dubious personages on this blog seem to have their own particular personal issues with your most excellent reconstructions.
        • Morrissey24.1.1.2.1
          3 December 2013 at 9:04 pm
          Ah Morrisey what wit, it beggars imagination that dubious personages on this blog seem to have their own particular personal issues with your most excellent reconstructions.
          It’s not a problem at all, my friend. To quote the great Jonah Lomu, it comes with the territory.
          (In fact, to employ a sporting analogy, I must admit I rather enjoy dispatching the likes of “gobsmacked” to the boundary. Is that petty of me, I wonder?)
      • gobsmacked24.1.1.3
        3 December 2013 at 9:05 pm
        “Meanwhile” implies that it is happening at the same/similar time.
        You told us that Andrew Marr “has been sounding off”, which – along with “meanwhile” – suggests a recent piece by him.
        This was a surprise, since in 2013, Andrew Marr has been recovering from a stroke …
        But in fact the piece you linked to was from 2010.
        Misleading, at best. So … I don’t know or care what Andrew Clay said today, but I won’t be relying on your version as fact.
        • Morrissey24.1.1.3.1
          4 December 2013 at 8:35 am
          “Meanwhile” implies that it is happening at the same/similar time.
          The term “meanwhile” was perfectly acceptable. If you prefer, feel free to replace it with “three years ago”. Whether Marr wrote that three years ago, or three days ago, the import is the same: he was having a go at people who have assiduously recorded and critiqued his government-friendly, biased and often dishonest political witterings. (In other words, he’s been a dependable State TV operator.) Here’s an open letter by an English writer, confronting Marr on his hypocrisy and his lack of empathy for poor people who suffer from strokes…
          http://diaryofabenefitscrounger.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/open-letter-to-andrew-marr.html
          Misleading, at best.
          Nonsense. I compared the anti-blogger ranting of a second-rate comedian with the anti-blogger ranting of a second-rate State TV journalist.
          So … I don’t know or care what Andrew Clay said today, but I won’t be relying on your version as fact.
          My version was perfectly accurate, as you’ll quickly ascertain with a quick listen….
          http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons
          Off you go now…
  • Murray Olsen24.2
    3 December 2013 at 10:22 pm
    Who is Andrew Clay and should I be worried?

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