Some beautiful objects. And a good cause: more bomb shelters for
people under long-term rocket attack.
people under long-term rocket attack.
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If they're building these things for sporadic retaliatory attacks
which harm hardly anyone, what will they build for THESE people?...
which harm hardly anyone, what will they build for THESE people?...
To see how "endangered" the Israelis are, have a look at how relaxed
these ghouls are as they take armchairs along to applaud the Israeli
bombardment of Gaza. While you watch, you might also note this woman's
express contempt not only for the human victims of the massacre, but
also for the very idea democracy ("They chose Hamas to rule them" she
laughs)...
these ghouls are as they take armchairs along to applaud the Israeli
bombardment of Gaza. While you watch, you might also note this woman's
express contempt not only for the human victims of the massacre, but
also for the very idea democracy ("They chose Hamas to rule them" she
laughs)...
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On Aug 31, 12:46 pm, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 31, 12:27 pm, Sue Bilstein <sue.bilst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Some beautiful objects. And a good cause: more bomb shelters for
> > people under long-term rocket attack.
>
> >http://www.rocketsintoroses.
>
> If they're building these things for sporadic retaliatory attacks
> which harm hardly anyone, what will they build for THESE people?...
> On Aug 31, 12:27 pm, Sue Bilstein <sue.bilst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Some beautiful objects. And a good cause: more bomb shelters for
> > people under long-term rocket attack.
>
> >http://www.rocketsintoroses.
>
> If they're building these things for sporadic retaliatory attacks
> which harm hardly anyone, what will they build for THESE people?...
"Sporadic retaliatory attacks which hardly harm anyone" - Breen proves
himself a moral imbecile again. I wonder how long you'd put up with
rocket attacks on the neighbourhood where you live?
himself a moral imbecile again. I wonder how long you'd put up with
rocket attacks on the neighbourhood where you live?
Have a look at the video on that sight; you'll see some of the harm.
You won't see the PTSD suffered by c. 40% of the children in rocket
range of Gaza, though.
You won't see the PTSD suffered by c. 40% of the children in rocket
range of Gaza, though.
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"Sue Bilstein" <sue.bi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6f84c706-4d91-4cbc-b006-
> Some beautiful objects. And a good cause: more bomb shelters for
> people under long-term rocket attack.
>
> http://www.rocketsintoroses.
Thanks for that link Sue. Interesting how our (NZ's) media pay so little
attention to the results of the rocket attacks on Israel.
attention to the results of the rocket attacks on Israel.
Pooh
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On Aug 31, 3:41 pm, Sue Bilstein <sue.bilst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 31, 12:46 pm, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 31, 12:27 pm, Sue Bilstein <sue.bilst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Some beautiful objects. And a good cause: more bomb shelters for
> > > people under long-term rocket attack.
>
> > >http://www.rocketsintoroses.
>
> > If they're building these things for sporadic retaliatory attacks
> > which harm hardly anyone, what will they build for THESE people?...
>
> "Sporadic retaliatory attacks which hardly harm anyone" - Breen proves
> himself a moral imbecile again. I wonder how long you'd put up with
> rocket attacks on the neighbourhood where you live?
> On Aug 31, 12:46 pm, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 31, 12:27 pm, Sue Bilstein <sue.bilst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Some beautiful objects. And a good cause: more bomb shelters for
> > > people under long-term rocket attack.
>
> > >http://www.rocketsintoroses.
>
> > If they're building these things for sporadic retaliatory attacks
> > which harm hardly anyone, what will they build for THESE people?...
>
> "Sporadic retaliatory attacks which hardly harm anyone" - Breen proves
> himself a moral imbecile again. I wonder how long you'd put up with
> rocket attacks on the neighbourhood where you live?
I don't live in a neighbourhood in a country that is illegally
blockading millions of people. Nor is my country engaged in the
wholesale destruction of hospitals, schools, apartment blocks, roads,
water mains, and electricity stations. My country is not illegally and
murderously occupying territory in defiance of world opinion and
international law.
blockading millions of people. Nor is my country engaged in the
wholesale destruction of hospitals, schools, apartment blocks, roads,
water mains, and electricity stations. My country is not illegally and
murderously occupying territory in defiance of world opinion and
international law.
If my country DID do those things, however, I expect the victims would
attack us, far more forcefully than the Palestinians have done against
their brutal oppressor.
attack us, far more forcefully than the Palestinians have done against
their brutal oppressor.
>
> Have a look at the video on that sight; you'll see some of the harm.
> You won't see the PTSD suffered by c. 40% of the children in rocket
> range of Gaza, though.
> Have a look at the video on that sight; you'll see some of the harm.
> You won't see the PTSD suffered by c. 40% of the children in rocket
> range of Gaza, though.
You're a purveyor of untruth, and a particularly nasty one because you
know you are being dishonest. You know perfectly well that almost all
of the killing and destruction in this horrific ally one-sided
conflict are committed by Israel.
know you are being dishonest. You know perfectly well that almost all
of the killing and destruction in this horrific ally one-sided
conflict are committed by Israel.
You should feel ashamed of yourself, Bilstein, not least because you
are deliberately misleading and duping poor bewildered fellows such as
"Pooh".
are deliberately misleading and duping poor bewildered fellows such as
"Pooh".
You are a True Believer, though, so admonishing you is probably a
waste of my time and effort. Still, nobody can say I haven't called
you out on your lies.
waste of my time and effort. Still, nobody can say I haven't called
you out on your lies.
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On Sep 2, 11:16 pm, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> (i.e., moi)
committed a grievous error in the third-to-last paragraph of my
(necessary) mauling of Sue Bilstein:
committed a grievous error in the third-to-last paragraph of my
(necessary) mauling of Sue Bilstein:
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The seemingly senseless phrase "horrific ally one-sided" should of
course read: "horrifically one-sided".
course read: "horrifically one-sided".
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On Friday, 2/Sep-2011 11:16 p.m., Mo wrote:
> On Aug 31, 3:41 pm, Sue Bilstein<sue.bilst...@gmail.
>> On Aug 31, 12:46 pm, Morrissey Breen<morrisseybr...@gmail.com
>>
>>> On Aug 31, 12:27 pm, Sue Bilstein<sue.bilst...@gmail.
>>
>>>> Some beautiful objects. And a good cause: more bomb shelters for
>>>> people under long-term rocket attack.
>>
>>>> http://www.rocketsintoroses.
>>
>>> If they're building these things for sporadic retaliatory attacks
>>> which harm hardly anyone, what will they build for THESE people?...
>>
>> "Sporadic retaliatory attacks which hardly harm anyone" - Breen proves
>> himself a moral imbecile again. I wonder how long you'd put up with
>> rocket attacks on the neighbourhood where you live?
>
> I don't live in a neighbourhood in a country that is illegally
> blockading millions of people. Nor is my country engaged in the
> wholesale destruction of hospitals, schools, apartment blocks, roads,
> water mains, and electricity stations. My country is not illegally and
> murderously occupying territory in defiance of world opinion and
> international law.
>
> If my country DID do those things, however, I expect the victims would
> attack us, far more forcefully than the Palestinians have done against
> their brutal oppressor.
> On Aug 31, 3:41 pm, Sue Bilstein<sue.bilst...@gmail.
>> On Aug 31, 12:46 pm, Morrissey Breen<morrisseybr...@gmail.com
>>
>>> On Aug 31, 12:27 pm, Sue Bilstein<sue.bilst...@gmail.
>>
>>>> Some beautiful objects. And a good cause: more bomb shelters for
>>>> people under long-term rocket attack.
>>
>>>> http://www.rocketsintoroses.
>>
>>> If they're building these things for sporadic retaliatory attacks
>>> which harm hardly anyone, what will they build for THESE people?...
>>
>> "Sporadic retaliatory attacks which hardly harm anyone" - Breen proves
>> himself a moral imbecile again. I wonder how long you'd put up with
>> rocket attacks on the neighbourhood where you live?
>
> I don't live in a neighbourhood in a country that is illegally
> blockading millions of people. Nor is my country engaged in the
> wholesale destruction of hospitals, schools, apartment blocks, roads,
> water mains, and electricity stations. My country is not illegally and
> murderously occupying territory in defiance of world opinion and
> international law.
>
> If my country DID do those things, however, I expect the victims would
> attack us, far more forcefully than the Palestinians have done against
> their brutal oppressor.
UNITED NATIONS — A long-awaited United Nations review of Israel’s 2010
raid on a Turkish-based flotilla in which nine passengers were killed
has found that Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is both legal and
appropriate. But it said that the way Israeli forces boarded the vessels
trying to break that blockade 15 months ago was excessive and unreasonable.
raid on a Turkish-based flotilla in which nine passengers were killed
has found that Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is both legal and
appropriate. But it said that the way Israeli forces boarded the vessels
trying to break that blockade 15 months ago was excessive and unreasonable.
So there you have it.. the blockade is legal and appropriate because:
“Israel faces a real threat to its security from militant groups in
Gaza,” the report says in its opening paragraphs. “The naval blockade
was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons
from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the
requirements of international law.”
Gaza,” the report says in its opening paragraphs. “The naval blockade
was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons
from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the
requirements of international law.”
Sir Geoffrey Palmer is of course, an internationally recognised expert
on maritime law.
on maritime law.
"The report is hard on the flotilla, asserting that it “acted recklessly
in attempting to breach the naval blockade.” It said that while a
majority of the hundreds of people aboard the six vessels had no violent
intention, that could not be said of the I.H.H. Humanitarian Relief
Foundation, the Turkish aid group that primarily organized the flotilla.
It said, “There exist serious questions about the conduct, true nature
and objectives of the flotilla organizers, particularly I.H.H.”
in attempting to breach the naval blockade.” It said that while a
majority of the hundreds of people aboard the six vessels had no violent
intention, that could not be said of the I.H.H. Humanitarian Relief
Foundation, the Turkish aid group that primarily organized the flotilla.
It said, “There exist serious questions about the conduct, true nature
and objectives of the flotilla organizers, particularly I.H.H.”
Palmer fingers the terrorist group IHH.
The report "also expressed strong concern about the thousands of rockets
and mortar shells fired into Israel from Gaza in recent years."
and mortar shells fired into Israel from Gaza in recent years."
All up, a useful reminder that Israel has the right to protect itself.
JC
>
>>
>> Have a look at the video on that sight; you'll see some of the harm.
>> You won't see the PTSD suffered by c. 40% of the children in rocket
>> range of Gaza, though.
>
> You're a purveyor of untruth, and a particularly nasty one because you
> know you are being dishonest. You know perfectly well that almost all
> of the killing and destruction in this horrific ally one-sided
> conflict are committed by Israel.
>
> You should feel ashamed of yourself, Bilstein, not least because you
> are deliberately misleading and duping poor bewildered fellows such as
> "Pooh".
>
> You are a True Believer, though, so admonishing you is probably a
> waste of my time and effort. Still, nobody can say I haven't called
> you out on your lies.
>
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 08:00:20 +1200, John Cawston <rewa...@ihug.co.nz>
wrote:
wrote:
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In your opinion, John Cawston, do the Palestinians have the right to
defend themselves?
defend themselves?
>
>JC
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> Have a look at the video on that sight; you'll see some of the harm.
>>> You won't see the PTSD suffered by c. 40% of the children in rocket
>>> range of Gaza, though.
>>
>> You're a purveyor of untruth, and a particularly nasty one because you
>> know you are being dishonest. You know perfectly well that almost all
>> of the killing and destruction in this horrific ally one-sided
>> conflict are committed by Israel.
>>
>> You should feel ashamed of yourself, Bilstein, not least because you
>> are deliberately misleading and duping poor bewildered fellows such as
>> "Pooh".
>>
>> You are a True Believer, though, so admonishing you is probably a
>> waste of my time and effort. Still, nobody can say I haven't called
>> you out on your lies.
>>
>JC
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> Have a look at the video on that sight; you'll see some of the harm.
>>> You won't see the PTSD suffered by c. 40% of the children in rocket
>>> range of Gaza, though.
>>
>> You're a purveyor of untruth, and a particularly nasty one because you
>> know you are being dishonest. You know perfectly well that almost all
>> of the killing and destruction in this horrific ally one-sided
>> conflict are committed by Israel.
>>
>> You should feel ashamed of yourself, Bilstein, not least because you
>> are deliberately misleading and duping poor bewildered fellows such as
>> "Pooh".
>>
>> You are a True Believer, though, so admonishing you is probably a
>> waste of my time and effort. Still, nobody can say I haven't called
>> you out on your lies.
>>
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They can please themselves.. after all, they are ones firing the
rockets, doing the suicide bombing and hiding behind the civilian
population.
rockets, doing the suicide bombing and hiding behind the civilian
population.
The whole idea, of course, is to provoke a response in order to claim
victim status and keep the Arab/UN money flowing in.. a genuine peace
with Israel would be fatal to their aims and beliefs.
victim status and keep the Arab/UN money flowing in.. a genuine peace
with Israel would be fatal to their aims and beliefs.
JC
>
>>
>> JC
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have a look at the video on that sight; you'll see some of the harm.
>>>> You won't see the PTSD suffered by c. 40% of the children in rocket
>>>> range of Gaza, though.
>>>
>>> You're a purveyor of untruth, and a particularly nasty one because you
>>> know you are being dishonest. You know perfectly well that almost all
>>> of the killing and destruction in this horrific ally one-sided
>>> conflict are committed by Israel.
>>>
>>> You should feel ashamed of yourself, Bilstein, not least because you
>>> are deliberately misleading and duping poor bewildered fellows such as
>>> "Pooh".
>>>
>>> You are a True Believer, though, so admonishing you is probably a
>>> waste of my time and effort. Still, nobody can say I haven't called
>>> you out on your lies.
>>>
>>
>> JC
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have a look at the video on that sight; you'll see some of the harm.
>>>> You won't see the PTSD suffered by c. 40% of the children in rocket
>>>> range of Gaza, though.
>>>
>>> You're a purveyor of untruth, and a particularly nasty one because you
>>> know you are being dishonest. You know perfectly well that almost all
>>> of the killing and destruction in this horrific ally one-sided
>>> conflict are committed by Israel.
>>>
>>> You should feel ashamed of yourself, Bilstein, not least because you
>>> are deliberately misleading and duping poor bewildered fellows such as
>>> "Pooh".
>>>
>>> You are a True Believer, though, so admonishing you is probably a
>>> waste of my time and effort. Still, nobody can say I haven't called
>>> you out on your lies.
>>>
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On Sep 3, 1:06 pm, John "Looney-bins" Cawston <rewar...@ihug.co.nz>
blithered like a maniac:
> On Saturday, 3/Sep-2011 11:08 a.m., Ted wrote:
> > On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 08:00:20 +1200, John Cawston<rewar...@ihug.co.nz>
blithered like a maniac:
> On Saturday, 3/Sep-2011 11:08 a.m., Ted wrote:
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....<Snip Nazi-style desecration of facts>...
See what happens when you try to argue with someone insane, Ted?
Don't waste your time with the Stats-Man---you'd be better off arguing
with a hedgehog.
with a hedgehog.
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>>>>> Have a look at the video on that sight; you'll see some of the harm.
>>>>> You won't see the PTSD suffered by c. 40% of the children in rocket
>>>>> range of Gaza, though.
>>>>
>>>> You're a purveyor of untruth, and a particularly nasty one because you
>>>> know you are being dishonest. You know perfectly well that almost all
>>>> of the killing and destruction in this horrific ally one-sided
>>>> conflict are committed by Israel.
>>>>
>>>> You should feel ashamed of yourself, Bilstein, not least because you
>>>> are deliberately misleading and duping poor bewildered fellows such as
>>>> "Pooh".
>>>>
>>>> You are a True Believer, though, so admonishing you is probably a
>>>> waste of my time and effort. Still, nobody can say I haven't called
>>>> you out on your lies.
>>>>
>>>>> You won't see the PTSD suffered by c. 40% of the children in rocket
>>>>> range of Gaza, though.
>>>>
>>>> You're a purveyor of untruth, and a particularly nasty one because you
>>>> know you are being dishonest. You know perfectly well that almost all
>>>> of the killing and destruction in this horrific ally one-sided
>>>> conflict are committed by Israel.
>>>>
>>>> You should feel ashamed of yourself, Bilstein, not least because you
>>>> are deliberately misleading and duping poor bewildered fellows such as
>>>> "Pooh".
>>>>
>>>> You are a True Believer, though, so admonishing you is probably a
>>>> waste of my time and effort. Still, nobody can say I haven't called
>>>> you out on your lies.
>>>>
Breen. When it comes to delussions your the master. Your support of
terrorism and terrorists disgusts me. The occupants of the Gaza strip and
West Bank bring what the Israelis do to them on themselves by supporting
terrorists. If the fools stopped provoking the Israelis they'd have a lot
more support, but they're to stupid (like you) to accept this fact.
Get a real life Breen and try reading more than the propaganda coming out of
the Gaza strip and engage what passes for your brain.
the Gaza strip and engage what passes for your brain.
Pooh
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Poor Mo, 10 years of his life believing the Gaza propaganda and its all
been exploded as a lie.
been exploded as a lie.
There were thousands of rockets imported by land and sea which were used
illegally against Israel.
Israel does have the right to defend itself
That includes under maritime law the right to impose a blockade
And to enforce it by interdiction
illegally against Israel.
Israel does have the right to defend itself
That includes under maritime law the right to impose a blockade
And to enforce it by interdiction
JC
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So, Pooh, do you think that the Palestinians have a right to defend
themselves?
themselves?
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 17:39:01 +1200, John Cawston <rewa...@ihug.co.nz>
wrote:
wrote:
>On Saturday, 3/Sep-2011 1:45 p.m., Mo wrote:
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Explosions, Cawston... dismemberment... death...
You should lie down and try to relax.
>
>There were thousands of rockets imported by land and sea which were used
>illegally against Israel.
>There were thousands of rockets imported by land and sea which were used
>illegally against Israel.
Didn't do much good, those rockets, eh? Against F16s, tanks,
gunships... not much good at all.
gunships... not much good at all.
Let's see, those rockets - useless as they were - were *illegal*,
according to you, anyway. Is the Israeli weaponry illegal too? And
if not, what is the difference?
according to you, anyway. Is the Israeli weaponry illegal too? And
if not, what is the difference?
>Israel does have the right to defend itself
So do the Palestinians.
>That includes under maritime law the right to impose a blockade
>And to enforce it by interdiction
>
>JC
>And to enforce it by interdiction
>
>JC
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On Sep 4, 9:32 am, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 17:39:01 +1200, John Cawston <rewar...@ihug.co.nz>
> On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 17:39:01 +1200, John Cawston <rewar...@ihug.co.nz>
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Cawston's argument is identical to the German argument in occupied
France and Poland in the 1940s. The illegal occupiers (German troops)
had NO right to defend themselves, because their presence was as
aggressors, and they faced legitimate resistance. Same thing with the
Israelis in the Occupied Territories, who of course face resistance
from the locals.
France and Poland in the 1940s. The illegal occupiers (German troops)
had NO right to defend themselves, because their presence was as
aggressors, and they faced legitimate resistance. Same thing with the
Israelis in the Occupied Territories, who of course face resistance
from the locals.
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If they stopped deliberately pissing of the Jews they wouldn't have to
defend themselves.
defend themselves.
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On Sep 4, 9:25 am, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So, Pooh, do you think that the Palestinians have a right to defend
> themselves?
>
> So, Pooh, do you think that the Palestinians have a right to defend
> themselves?
Palestinians - and Arabs in general - defending themselves: what a
nice change that would be.
nice change that would be.
Palestinians attacking Jews in massacres and riots - that was the
pattern since Islam began. Before Zionism began, for example, there
was the Safed pogrom of 1834, where Jews were beaten, robbed, raped
and murdered for a period of 33 days. That pogrom was instigated by a
Muslim prophet: it was explicitly religious in origin.
pattern since Islam began. Before Zionism began, for example, there
was the Safed pogrom of 1834, where Jews were beaten, robbed, raped
and murdered for a period of 33 days. That pogrom was instigated by a
Muslim prophet: it was explicitly religious in origin.
Throughout the days when Jews were buying land from the Ottoman
government in Palestine - and buying it again from the felaheen that
the government disregarded - and draining the malarial swamps that
they had bought, and turning them into orange groves - there were
periodic riots and massacres.
government in Palestine - and buying it again from the felaheen that
the government disregarded - and draining the malarial swamps that
they had bought, and turning them into orange groves - there were
periodic riots and massacres.
In the twentieth century the attacks continued. The Hebron massacre of
1929, for example, when 67 Jews were killed, the Muslims cut off
women's breasts and men's genitals, and blood ran down the stairs of
the Rabbi's house after they slaughtered him, his family and the
people he was sheltering.
1929, for example, when 67 Jews were killed, the Muslims cut off
women's breasts and men's genitals, and blood ran down the stairs of
the Rabbi's house after they slaughtered him, his family and the
people he was sheltering.
When the Jews accepted the UN's partition plan in 1947 and the Arabs
refused it, Israel was immediately attacked by her Arab neighbours and
by terrorists internally. The Jews beat the attackers and survived.
The subsequent wars were all instigated by the Arab nations - I am
including 1967. Palestinian "civilians" have contributed bombings,
rockets and other murderous attacks.
refused it, Israel was immediately attacked by her Arab neighbours and
by terrorists internally. The Jews beat the attackers and survived.
The subsequent wars were all instigated by the Arab nations - I am
including 1967. Palestinian "civilians" have contributed bombings,
rockets and other murderous attacks.
If only the Palestinians would simply defend themselves! But maybe the
existence of one Jew in the world seems to them to be an attack.
existence of one Jew in the world seems to them to be an attack.
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 11:14:17 +1200, Liberty <libe...@live.com>
wrote:
How exactly do they piss off the Jews, Liberty? Living on their own
land, perhaps?
wrote:
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How exactly do they piss off the Jews, Liberty? Living on their own
land, perhaps?
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Can I take that as your agreement that they *should* defend
themselves, then?
themselves, then?
If so, *how*, in your opinion, should they defend themselves? From
their point of view, of course.
their point of view, of course.
> But maybe the
>existence of one Jew in the world seems to them to be an attack.
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Idiot. The right to defend oneself does not depend on whatever
label you apply to them.
label you apply to them.
Every innocent individual on the planet has the inalienable right
to defend themselves - *regardless* of your labels.
to defend themselves - *regardless* of your labels.
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Tsk, tsk, WorkHard. The signature goes at the *bottom* of the post.
> The right to defend oneself does not depend on whatever
>label you apply to them.
>label you apply to them.
Agreed!
>
>Every innocent individual on the planet has the inalienable right
>to defend themselves - *regardless* of your labels.
>Every innocent individual on the planet has the inalienable right
>to defend themselves - *regardless* of your labels.
This call into question, however, your use of the label "innocent".
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On Sep 4, 12:48 pm, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 16:35:39 -0700 (PDT), Sue Bilstein
>
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 16:35:39 -0700 (PDT), Sue Bilstein
>
>
> >Palestinians - and Arabs in general - defending themselves: what a
> >nice change that would be.
>
>
> >If only the Palestinians would simply defend themselves!
>
> Can I take that as your agreement that they *should* defend
> themselves, then?
>
> If so, *how*, in your opinion, should they defend themselves? From
> their point of view, of course.
Easy peasy. They should refrain from attacking Israel; then they would
have no need to defend themselves.
have no need to defend themselves.
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... except from each other, of course.
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Being under attack by thousands of rockets is a good enough reason
for the Jews to get pissed off.
for the Jews to get pissed off.
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:16:03 +1200, Liberty <libe...@live.com>
wrote:
wrote:
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Doesn't the liberty of the Palestinians to live undisturbed on their
own land matter to you, Liberty?
own land matter to you, Liberty?
How paper thin are your pretensions to libertarianism, indeed.
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 20:25:29 -0700 (PDT), Sue Bilstein
<sue.bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
<sue.bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sep 4, 12:48 pm, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 16:35:39 -0700 (PDT), Sue Bilstein
>>
>
>>
>> >Palestinians - and Arabs in general - defending themselves: what a
>> >nice change that would be.
>>
>...
>>
>> >If only the Palestinians would simply defend themselves!
>>
>> Can I take that as your agreement that they *should* defend
>> themselves, then?
>>
>> If so, *how*, in your opinion, should they defend themselves? From
>> their point of view, of course.
>
>Easy peasy. They should refrain from attacking Israel;
>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 16:35:39 -0700 (PDT), Sue Bilstein
>>
>
>>
>> >Palestinians - and Arabs in general - defending themselves: what a
>> >nice change that would be.
>>
>...
>>
>> >If only the Palestinians would simply defend themselves!
>>
>> Can I take that as your agreement that they *should* defend
>> themselves, then?
>>
>> If so, *how*, in your opinion, should they defend themselves? From
>> their point of view, of course.
>
>Easy peasy. They should refrain from attacking Israel;
But suppose the Israelis continued to attack them regardless...
>then they would
>have no need to defend themselves.
>have no need to defend themselves.
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On Sep 4, 4:32 pm, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 20:25:29 -0700 (PDT), Sue Bilstein
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 20:25:29 -0700 (PDT), Sue Bilstein
>
> >Easy peasy. They should refrain from attacking Israel; then they would
> >Easy peasy. They should refrain from attacking Israel; then they would
> > have no need to defend themselves.
>
> But suppose the Israelis continued to attack them regardless...
By continuing to exist?
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By continuing to want the Palestinians not to exist.
On Sep 4, 7:04 pm, Liberty <libert...@live.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 17:45:17 +1200, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 17:34:00 +1200, Liberty <libert...@live.com>
> >wrote:
>
> >>On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:28:33 +1200, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:16:03 +1200, Liberty <libert...@live.com>
> >>>wrote:
>
> >>>>On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 12:44:33 +1200, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 11:14:17 +1200, Liberty <libert...@live.com>
> >>>>>wrote:
>
> >>>>>>On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:25:24 +1200, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 17:45:17 +1200, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 17:34:00 +1200, Liberty <libert...@live.com>
> >wrote:
>
> >>On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:28:33 +1200, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:16:03 +1200, Liberty <libert...@live.com>
> >>>wrote:
>
> >>>>On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 12:44:33 +1200, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 11:14:17 +1200, Liberty <libert...@live.com>
> >>>>>wrote:
>
> >>>>>>On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:25:24 +1200, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Yes, they do. They are the legal owners of the land. That is the whole
basis of this conflict.
basis of this conflict.
> Or are they just complaining because Moses kicked them off.
Flippant comments like that only underline your fundamental lack of
seriousness.
seriousness.
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Why assume
Do they have title or not?
Do they have title or not?
>
>>Or are they just complaining because Moses kicked them off.
>
>Are you saying that property rights can be overridden by religious
>directives?
>>Or are they just complaining because Moses kicked them off.
>
>Are you saying that property rights can be overridden by religious
>directives?
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On Sep 4, 10:57 pm, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, they do. They are the legal owners of the land. That is the whole
> basis of this conflict.
> Yes, they do. They are the legal owners of the land. That is the whole
> basis of this conflict.
The United Nations partition plan of 1947 gave the Jews small areas
where they legally owned most of the land. It gave the Palestinians a
huge piece of land - just look at the partition plan.
where they legally owned most of the land. It gave the Palestinians a
huge piece of land - just look at the partition plan.
After the establishment of the state of Israel, Israel's Arab
neighbours attacked, expecting to wipe out the Jews. They were
defeated, and Israel took a small amount of territory, just out to
defensible lines. The huge amount of land that the partition plan had
allotted to the Palestinians ended up in the hands of the neighbouring
states, mostly Jordan. The real persecutors of the Palestinians are
the Arab states, who have treated them like pariahs since 1948, and
the UN, who have kept them in breeding zoos aka refugee camps.
neighbours attacked, expecting to wipe out the Jews. They were
defeated, and Israel took a small amount of territory, just out to
defensible lines. The huge amount of land that the partition plan had
allotted to the Palestinians ended up in the hands of the neighbouring
states, mostly Jordan. The real persecutors of the Palestinians are
the Arab states, who have treated them like pariahs since 1948, and
the UN, who have kept them in breeding zoos aka refugee camps.
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On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 11:04:29 +1200, Liberty <libe...@live.com>
wrote:
You didn't answer the question though, Pooh. Do you think that the
Palestinians have the right to defend themselves?
"Ted" <ted....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:
"Ted" <ted....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:
have the right to defend themselves?
> Also, whose property is it? There's a dispute about that -
> it's being
> fought over, remember.
>
> Now, my friend, it's time for you to sign off the internet for a few
> weeks, head down to your local library, take out a dozen books on the
> history of Palestine, and start reading. Seriously.
>
> Or is that just too much to ask?
>
> How curious that the anti-semitism of the present-day Palestinians
> comes directly from the Mufti Amin al-Husseini, who was a Nazi and acolyte of Hitler.
wrote:
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Yes they do
>
On Sep 5, 7:40 pm, poor old "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> accidentally
provided this writer (i.e., moi) and no doubt many others with a good
belly-laugh:
> "Ted" <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 22:43:28 -0700 (PDT), Sue Bilstein
provided this writer (i.e., moi) and no doubt many others with a good
belly-laugh:
> "Ted" <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 22:43:28 -0700 (PDT), Sue Bilstein
> > <sue.bilst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Sep 4, 5:33 pm, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 22:22:26 -0700 (PDT), Sue Bilstein
>
> >>> <sue.bilst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >On Sep 4, 4:32 pm, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 20:25:29 -0700 (PDT), Sue Bilstein
>
> >>> >> >Easy peasy. They should refrain from attacking Israel; then they
> >>> >> >would
> >>> >> > have no need to defend themselves.
>
> >>> >> But suppose the Israelis continued to attack them regardless...
>
> >>> >By continuing to exist?
>
> >>> By continuing to want the Palestinians not to exist.
>
> >>They just want the Palestinians to stop trying to kill them.
>
> > They want the ejection of the Palestinians from Palestine.
>
> You seem to be as sucked in by the terrorist propaganda as Breen, Ted. Try
> reading some of the other propaganda and history of the area for a better
> balanced view. Sues posts are usualy pretty good for that to.
>
> Pooh
>
> >>On Sep 4, 5:33 pm, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 22:22:26 -0700 (PDT), Sue Bilstein
>
> >>> <sue.bilst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >On Sep 4, 4:32 pm, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 20:25:29 -0700 (PDT), Sue Bilstein
>
> >>> >> >Easy peasy. They should refrain from attacking Israel; then they
> >>> >> >would
> >>> >> > have no need to defend themselves.
>
> >>> >> But suppose the Israelis continued to attack them regardless...
>
> >>> >By continuing to exist?
>
> >>> By continuing to want the Palestinians not to exist.
>
> >>They just want the Palestinians to stop trying to kill them.
>
> > They want the ejection of the Palestinians from Palestine.
>
> You seem to be as sucked in by the terrorist propaganda as Breen, Ted. Try
> reading some of the other propaganda and history of the area for a better
> balanced view. Sues posts are usualy pretty good for that to.
>
> Pooh
Pooh (silly name, silly fellow) has clearly never read a single
serious book or even article about Palestine. It's always amusing to
see someone as utterly ignorant as this bloke solemnly lecturing
others about the need to read and take a "balanced view".
serious book or even article about Palestine. It's always amusing to
see someone as utterly ignorant as this bloke solemnly lecturing
others about the need to read and take a "balanced view".
Hilariously, and entirely without meaning to, he underlines his
ignorance by citing an example of the "better balanced view": Sue
("Kill 'em all") Bilstein!
ignorance by citing an example of the "better balanced view": Sue
("Kill 'em all") Bilstein!
We look forward to "Pooh" enjoining some other poor wretch to school
up on statistics and logic by reading the "better balanced views" of
that philosophical giant John "Looneybins" Cawston...
up on statistics and logic by reading the "better balanced views" of
that philosophical giant John "Looneybins" Cawston...
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You didn't answer the question though, Pooh. Do you think that the
Palestinians have the right to defend themselves?
And if not, why not?
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On Sep 5, 10:58 pm, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You didn't answer the question though, Pooh. Do you think that the
> Palestinians have the right to defend themselves?
> You didn't answer the question though, Pooh. Do you think that the
> Palestinians have the right to defend themselves?
The Palestinians' best defence is to stop attacking.
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On Sep 6, 9:52 am, Sue Bilstein <sue.bilst...@gmail.com> chillingly
inverted reality on its head, as is her wont:
> On Sep 5, 10:58 pm, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > You didn't answer the question though, Pooh. Do you think that the
> > Palestinians have the right to defend themselves?
>
>
inverted reality on its head, as is her wont:
> On Sep 5, 10:58 pm, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > You didn't answer the question though, Pooh. Do you think that the
> > Palestinians have the right to defend themselves?
>
>
"The Palestinians' best defence is to stop attacking."---Sue Bilstein,
alt.fan.mass.murder, Sept. 2011
alt.fan.mass.murder, Sept. 2011
"The filthy Ghetto Jews' best defence is to stop attacking."---Susan
von Bilstein, alt.fan.nazi, Sept. 1942.
von Bilstein, alt.fan.nazi, Sept. 1942.
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Anti-semites' cliche number 3990, 2011 - equate the Jews to the Nazis.
How curious that the anti-semitism of the present-day Palestinians
comes directly from the Mufti Amin al-Husseini, who was a Nazi and
acolyte of Hitler.
comes directly from the Mufti Amin al-Husseini, who was a Nazi and
acolyte of Hitler.
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Why are you ignoring the two way street the 'right' to defend yourself is
Ted?
Ted?
Pooh
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And the Israelis... their best defence to is stop attacking too!
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Never a straight answer, eh, Pooh! To refresh your memory, the
question is: do you think that Palestinians have the right to defend
themselves?
question is: do you think that Palestinians have the right to defend
themselves?
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"Ted" <ted....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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What wasn't straight about my answer Ted?
Every state has the right to existence and to defend itself. However
terrorist organisations firing rockets at civilian populations from within
civilian populations is far from defence Ted. Now have the decency to answer
my question.
Every state has the right to existence and to defend itself. However
terrorist organisations firing rockets at civilian populations from within
civilian populations is far from defence Ted. Now have the decency to answer
my question.
Pooh
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On Sep 6, 8:22 pm, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
> "Ted" <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:04:51 +1200, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
>
> >>"Ted" <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:
> >>> On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 19:35:13 +1200, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
>
> >>>>"Ted" <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:
> "Ted" <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:04:51 +1200, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
>
> >>"Ted" <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:
> >>> On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 19:35:13 +1200, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
>
> >>>>"Ted" <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:
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Correct.
>
> However terrorist organisations firing rockets at civilian populations from within
> civilian populations is far from defence Ted.
> However terrorist organisations firing rockets at civilian populations from within
> civilian populations is far from defence Ted.
You're sure concerned about the sporadic rocket attacks from the
Palestinians. You'll no doubt be proportionately angry about the
Israeli government's ongoing, relentless terror campaign against the
people of the West Bank and Gaza.
Palestinians. You'll no doubt be proportionately angry about the
Israeli government's ongoing, relentless terror campaign against the
people of the West Bank and Gaza.
That' assuming of course that you are not a steaming hypocrite.
>
> Now have the decency to answer my question.
> Now have the decency to answer my question.
I've just answered it for him.
Now, my friend, it's time for you to sign off the internet for a few
weeks, head down to your local library, take out a dozen books on the
history of Palestine, and start reading. Seriously.
weeks, head down to your local library, take out a dozen books on the
history of Palestine, and start reading. Seriously.
Or is that just too much to ask?
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A straightforward answer would be something like "The Palestinians
have the right to defend themselves" or possibly "The Palestinians do
not have the right to defend themselves". Nothing you wrote was
anything like that.
have the right to defend themselves" or possibly "The Palestinians do
not have the right to defend themselves". Nothing you wrote was
anything like that.
>Every state has the right to existence and to defend itself.
OK... but that's still not a straight answer to the question. I asked
about *the Palestinians*. You have written instead "Every state". I
know it's unlikely, Pooh, but you could possibly argue later that the
Palestinians do not form a state and therefore your assertion doesn't
apply to them. So I ask you again: do you think that Palestinians
about *the Palestinians*. You have written instead "Every state". I
know it's unlikely, Pooh, but you could possibly argue later that the
Palestinians do not form a state and therefore your assertion doesn't
apply to them. So I ask you again: do you think that Palestinians
have the right to defend themselves?
> However
>terrorist organisations firing rockets at civilian populations from within
>civilian populations is far from defence Ted.
>terrorist organisations firing rockets at civilian populations from within
>civilian populations is far from defence Ted.
Definitions, definitions! You have opened the door to arguing about
the meaning of the word "state", and now you are arguing about the
meaning of "defence". Pooh: do the Palestinians have the right to
defend themselves?
the meaning of the word "state", and now you are arguing about the
meaning of "defence". Pooh: do the Palestinians have the right to
defend themselves?
And if not, why not?
>Now have the decency to answer
>my question.
>my question.
I guess your question was:
>Why are you ignoring the two way street the 'right' to defend yourself is Ted?
Assuming I've parsed that right, because it is another veering away
from the straight answer, Pooh.
from the straight answer, Pooh.
On Sep 6, 10:17 pm, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 20:22:44 +1200, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
>
> >"Ted" <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:
> >> On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:04:51 +1200, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
>
> >>>"Ted" <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:
> >>>> On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 19:35:13 +1200, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
>
> >>>>>"Ted" <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:
> On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 20:22:44 +1200, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
>
> >"Ted" <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:
> >> On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:04:51 +1200, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
>
> >>>"Ted" <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:
> >>>> On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 19:35:13 +1200, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
>
> >>>>>"Ted" <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:
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Ted, you're arguing in good faith with someone who is not even
slightly serious. Don't waste your time.
slightly serious. Don't waste your time.
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I dunno... it's quite interesting. What motivates Pooh?
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On Sep 6, 10:39 pm, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 03:27:44 -0700 (PDT), empedocles economopolis
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 03:27:44 -0700 (PDT), empedocles economopolis
>
>
>
>
>
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An admixture of sheer ignorance and malice.
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In the same way that I suspect Pooh has a get-out clause when it comes
to the meaning of "state" and the meaning of "defence", I suspect that
you have a get-out clause in your use of "innocent".
to the meaning of "state" and the meaning of "defence", I suspect that
you have a get-out clause in your use of "innocent".
Who gets to say who's innocent or not?
Also, whose property is it? There's a dispute about that - it's being
fought over, remember.
fought over, remember.
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Well I guess you should know whether you are innocent and not
beinf attackled for something you did wrong.
beinf attackled for something you did wrong.
> Also, whose property is it? There's a dispute about that -
> it's being
> fought over, remember.
Well, as far as I know property is not owned collectively. It's
usually owned by individuals.
usually owned by individuals.
You want to make it into some mystical race, ehtnicity, culture,
faith kinda thing. But the simple reality when you boil it down
is simply that individuals own property.
faith kinda thing. But the simple reality when you boil it down
is simply that individuals own property.
You should be able to extrapolate from there easily enough.
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Except these people, right?...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
And these people are terrorists, right?...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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You think you are innocent and your opponent is guilty. Your opponent
thinks he is innocent and you are guilty. It was ever thus.
thinks he is innocent and you are guilty. It was ever thus.
>
>
>> Also, whose property is it? There's a dispute about that -
>> it's being
>> fought over, remember.
>
>Well, as far as I know property is not owned collectively. It's
>usually owned by individuals.
>
>> Also, whose property is it? There's a dispute about that -
>> it's being
>> fought over, remember.
>
>Well, as far as I know property is not owned collectively. It's
>usually owned by individuals.
Seems irrelevant to me.
>
>You want to make it into some mystical race, ehtnicity, culture,
>faith kinda thing.
>You want to make it into some mystical race, ehtnicity, culture,
>faith kinda thing.
Thanks for telling me what I want, WorkHard. It saves me the effort.
> But the simple reality when you boil it down
>is simply that individuals own property.
>
>You should be able to extrapolate from there easily enough.
>is simply that individuals own property.
>
>You should be able to extrapolate from there easily enough.
That's an answer?
You should go into academia.
>
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On Sep 6, 9:31 pm, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> You're sure concerned about the sporadic rocket attacks from the
> Palestinians. You'll no doubt be proportionately angry about the
> Israeli government's ongoing, relentless terror campaign against the
> people of the West Bank and Gaza.
> You're sure concerned about the sporadic rocket attacks from the
> Palestinians. You'll no doubt be proportionately angry about the
> Israeli government's ongoing, relentless terror campaign against the
> people of the West Bank and Gaza.
....
>
> Now, my friend, it's time for you to sign off the internet for a few
> weeks, head down to your local library, take out a dozen books on the
> history of Palestine, and start reading. Seriously.
>
> Or is that just too much to ask?
Sorry Morrissey - no amount of reading will support your claims.
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On Sep 6, 10:17 am, Sue Bilstein <sue.bilst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 6, 10:06 am, Radio Transcripts Ltd
>
> <daisycutterspo...@lycos.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 6, 9:52 am, Sue Bilstein <sue.bilst...@gmail.com> chillingly
> > inverted reality on its head, as is her wont:
>
> > > On Sep 5, 10:58 pm, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > You didn't answer the question though, Pooh. Do you think that the
> > > > Palestinians have the right to defend themselves?
>
> > "The Palestinians' best defence is to stop attacking."---Sue Bilstein,
> > alt.fan.mass.murder, Sept. 2011
>
> > "The filthy Ghetto Jews' best defence is to stop attacking."---Susan
> > von Bilstein, alt.fan.nazi, Sept. 1942.
>
> Anti-semites' cliche number 3990, 2011 - equate the Jews to the Nazis.
> On Sep 6, 10:06 am, Radio Transcripts Ltd
>
> <daisycutterspo...@lycos.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 6, 9:52 am, Sue Bilstein <sue.bilst...@gmail.com> chillingly
> > inverted reality on its head, as is her wont:
>
> > > On Sep 5, 10:58 pm, Ted <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > You didn't answer the question though, Pooh. Do you think that the
> > > > Palestinians have the right to defend themselves?
>
> > "The Palestinians' best defence is to stop attacking."---Sue Bilstein,
> > alt.fan.mass.murder, Sept. 2011
>
> > "The filthy Ghetto Jews' best defence is to stop attacking."---Susan
> > von Bilstein, alt.fan.nazi, Sept. 1942.
>
> Anti-semites' cliche number 3990, 2011 - equate the Jews to the Nazis.
I didn't compare Jews to Nazis, I compared the views of supporters of
Israeli atrocities to supporters of Nazi atocities.
Israeli atrocities to supporters of Nazi atocities.
Of course, you know that perfectly well, but you're constitutionally
incapable of debating the point in a civilized manner.
incapable of debating the point in a civilized manner.
>
> How curious that the anti-semitism of the present-day Palestinians
> comes directly from the Mufti Amin al-Husseini, who was a Nazi and acolyte of Hitler.
Of course the Grand Mufti's anti-Semitism was disgusting, and his
backing of Hitler was wrong. Now, how does the fact he behaved so
badly more than three generations ago justify the blockading, bombing
and mass destruction of people in the West Bank and Gaza?
backing of Hitler was wrong. Now, how does the fact he behaved so
badly more than three generations ago justify the blockading, bombing
and mass destruction of people in the West Bank and Gaza?
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You hate reading as much as you hate democracy, Bilstein. They're both
dangerous and unsettling, and best kept away from the rabble.
Violently, if necessary.
dangerous and unsettling, and best kept away from the rabble.
Violently, if necessary.
I note that Norman Finkelstein's site has been the subject of Israeli
sabotage recently. You'll be happy about that, no doubt.
sabotage recently. You'll be happy about that, no doubt.
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There is no dispute about it. International law is clear and
unambiguous about this---the Occupied Territories and Gaza are
Palestinian land. There is no dispute at all. There IS a murderous
military occupation, and hundreds of thousands of fanatical "settlers"
causing mayhem there---but there is no dispute. Watch this if you're
in any doubt....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
unambiguous about this---the Occupied Territories and Gaza are
Palestinian land. There is no dispute at all. There IS a murderous
military occupation, and hundreds of thousands of fanatical "settlers"
causing mayhem there---but there is no dispute. Watch this if you're
in any doubt....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
On Sep 7, 10:49 am, "Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote:
> "Ted" <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> "Ted" <ted.8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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This is a lie---mere propaganda. If you had read anything by serious
Israeli historians such as Benny Morris, Zeev Maoz or Avi Shlaim, you
would know that. But you don't of course. You know virtually nothing
at all.
Israeli historians such as Benny Morris, Zeev Maoz or Avi Shlaim, you
would know that. But you don't of course. You know virtually nothing
at all.
Still, why should that stop you having your say, huh? It's your right
to make a fool of yourself every single time you post.
to make a fool of yourself every single time you post.
>
> Or do you have another
> excuse for what happened?
> Or do you have another
> excuse for what happened?
You're out of your depth, fool.
>
> Are you a lawyer Ted?
>
> Pooh
> Are you a lawyer Ted?
>
> Pooh
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On Sep 8, 3:25 pm, Joe Orton <jive...@rock.com> wrote:
...
>
> You're out of your depth, fool.
>
...
>
> You're out of your depth, fool.
>
Are you trying to set a record for the biggest-ever gathering of
sockies in nz.general history, Morrissey?
sockies in nz.general history, Morrissey?
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