Monday 8 January 2018

With a straight face, Steve Hansen says: “You just want consistency.” (Oct. 26, 2015)

With a straight face, Steve Hansen says: “You just want consistency.” Brass-plated audacity doesn’t come any more shameless than this.
Four years ago Steve Hansen sat alongside “Sir” Graham Henry as his All Black forwards—primarily but by no means only McCaw, Kaino, Hore and Reid—systematically destroyed the RWC final with a display of cynical, offside, illegal killing of the French ball. Such willful violation of the spirit as well as the laws of the game was only possible because of the apparent blindness of the “referee”, one Craig Joubert, in front of whom every one of the flagrant offences was perpetrated. Joubert, to the astonishment and increasing despair of the French players, did nothing about it. Sensing that Joubert was for some reason—timidity? stage fright? Southern Hemisphere solidarity?—not going to do a thing to control them, the emboldened All Blacks’ forwards continued to cheat with impunity, thus preventing France from unleashing its backs as it had against England in the quarter-final.
The outraged reaction in France in the following days was carefully screened from New Zealanders by media gatekeepers like the Herald‘s Gregor Paul and partisan and dishonest radio and television “reporters” such as Jim Kayes and Andrew “Sav” Saveloy. But any New Zealander who watched the match knows perfectly well that France would probably have won if there had been a referee.
One would have thought that straightforward decency, as well as a sense of shame, would have meant that no one from the All Blacks who was involved in that débâcle would ever again have said anything at all about any referee’s performance or, in Joubert’s case, non-performance.
Sadly, though, that is not the case….
Hansen to talk to world referees’ boss as ABs look to get fair hearing in final
by TOBY ROBSON, October 26, 2015
Steve Hansen plans to talk to World Rugby’s referees boss Joel Jutge in a bid to ensure the All Blacks get a fair hearing in the Rugby World Cup final.
A day after the All Blacks were on the wrong side of a 14-6 penalty count during their 20-18 semifinal win over South Africa, Hansen said he had no major issues with the majority of French referee Jerome Garce’s calls at Twickenham.
However, the All Blacks coach did feel as though South Africa got away with similar offences and will be keen to ensure Welsh whistler Nigel Owens applies the same at both teams in the final.
“I have watched it again and yeah, a lot of the penalties were justified,” Hansen said on Monday. “The only concern I have got was that whilst we are getting penalised for things, the same things were happening on the opposition and they weren’t, so that’s another thing I’ll have to talk to him [Jutge] about. You just want consistency.”
  • RedBaronCV4.1
    Honestly is this level of hypocrisy unexpected. As far as I can see the upper echelons of the NZRFU have long since parted company with the average punter and are living in a subsidiary of Nactland. i’m just ignoring the lot
  • northshoredoc4.2
    I must apologise for calling you a third rate sports pundit last week Morrissey.
    You are clearly a fourth rate sports bore, I suggest you keep to your main past time of chicken fancying.
    • Grant4.2.1
      *pastime (a compound of pass time)
    • Kevin4.2.2
      At least he has more interesting things to say than you nsd.
      Personally, I am a fan Morrisey, keep up the good work.
    • Morrissey4.2.3
      You are clearly a fourth rate sports bore,
      Ouch! Nice one, Doc.
      I suggest you keep to your main past time of chicken fancying.
      Okay, that’s me dealt with. Now, would you like to address the question at hand, viz., how can Steve Hansen have the hide to talk publicly about the need for referees to be consistent?
    • whateva next?4.2.4
      speaking of “pastime”, I wonder that you spend so much of your time trying to aggravate people? or are you genuinely interested in seeking an understanding of broader politics?
      • northshoredoc4.2.4.1
        Politics interests me very little indeed – especially in NZ.
        The vast majority of my comments on this site are dispelling vaccination myths and recently providing some facts in relation the PHARMAC issues regarding the potential TPPA.
        Aggravating people at this site is just a bit of fun on the side on occasion.
        • whateva next?4.2.4.1.1
          “Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn’t mean politics won’t take an interest in you. ”
          ― Pericles
          I wonder what you think politics is? or don’t you think?
        • Morrissey4.2.4.1.2
          Politics in NZ doesn’t interest you much? So what country’s politics DO you take an interest in?
  • b waghorn4.3
    Rugby is a sport and in sport winning the head games is as important a part of the game as the on field action. Hansen wouldn’t be doing his job if he wasn’t sowing a little doubt in the refs mind just like they will be messing with Aussie head in the next week or so.
    Surely you can find more important causes to champion.
    Its only a game.
    • Morrissey4.3.1
      Hansen wouldn’t be doing his job if he wasn’t sowing a little doubt in the refs [sic] mind
      Hansen (perhaps understandably) said not a word about Craig Joubert’s complicity in the All Blacks’ outrageous destruction of the 2011 RWC final. He, and every other person in the New Zealand camp, should never say a word about refereeing again. The fact that he has, and that he can talk about “wanting consistency” with a straight face, shows that he has little or no sense of sportsmanship or honour, let alone a sense of irony.
      Surely you can find more important causes to champion.
      I can and I do. Perhaps you missed my campaign against Television’s Good Morning show.
      Its only a game.
      True. Which is why I hate people cheating, referees—just one referee, in fact—who collude in that cheating, and sports journalists who think that to state plainly what happened is an act of treason.
      • ropata4.3.1.1
        “sports journalists who think that to state plainly what happened is an act of treason”
        Well now you’re showing how fair and reasonable you are *cough cough*
        • Morrissey4.3.1.1.1
          What do YOU think about the performance, or non-performance of the likes of Andrew “Sav” Saveloy and Jim Kayes, ropata? Do you really think we ever get anything interesting or insightful from them, ever?
          Even worse is the presence of Ian “Smithy” Smith in that terrible television commentary team that is inflicted on New Zealand viewers only. Do you think that Justin Marshall, who perhaps out of a misguided sense of compassion keeps asking “Smithy” what he thinks, is a reliable, even slightly fair-minded commentator?
          • Pat4.3.1.1.1.1
            if sports (at this level) is entertainment do we seek fair minded commentary?
            • Morrissey
              Fair question, Pat. I could excuse the extreme partisanship of Marshall because he has, after all, been there and done that—and has paid the price for it. [1]
              There is no excuse of any kind for Ian Smith, however. He knows nothing, his comments are painfully empty of any sort of content, and the others clearly treat him as some sort of charity case. Notwithstanding all of that, he should have been summarily sacked immediately after his bumbling, crass and offensive interview with Thierry Dusautoir at the end of that farcical 2011 final.
          • ropata4.3.1.1.1.2
            I expect sports journos to be a bit provocative and fun, remember this beautiful moment or were you too busy arguing semantics with Pete George?
            TBH I don’t pay much attention to the journos and commentators I am more interested in the game itself. Pundits come and go and say all sorts of dumb shit.
            • Morrissey
              Ropata, I was so disgusted by the cynical tactics of the All Blacks, and by the even worse display by the non-referee in that farcical match, I found such displays, which would normally move me, to be nothing more than a distraction.
              As bad as Joubert was, the failure by the New Zealand media was even worse. Campbell is supposed to be a journalist; he could see as clearly as anyone else in the stadium what an insult to the game had just been perpetrated. Instead of hugging players, weeping ecstatically and bawling above the crowd noise how much he loved them, he should have been asking hard questions of the match officials, and of the All Blacks’s management team, which had obviously concocted that cynical strategy. The All Blacks have millions of cheerleaders, and didn’t need him gushing over them instead of doing the job he was supposed to do.
              Not everybody was too afraid to speak out however….
              • ropata
                6.A.4 The duties of the referee in the playing enclosure
                (a)
                The referee is the sole judge of fact and of Law during a match. The referee must apply fairly all the Laws of the Game in every match.
                Basically, the ref was in charge so all your grizzling is obviated.
                • Morrissey
                  Basically, the ref was in charge…
                  That’s the problem: he was not in charge. He abdicated responsibility, and the game was turned into a farce.
                  ….so all your grizzling is obviated.
                  I think my criticism of Joubert’s failure to do his job are a lot more serious and well documented than simply “grizzling”. If you want to see or hear what grizzling sounds like, I recommend you tune into Radio Sport some time.
                  • ropata
                    The infallibility of the All Blacks is one myth that New Zealanders hold sacred. Personally I enjoy it but I know some people lose perspective on the matter.
                  • Rosemary McDonald
                    “…hear what grizzling sounds like, I recommend you tune into Radio Sport some time.”
                    I enjoy your postings and critique of the media Morrissey….but steady on there old chap…go easy…Suggesting a live person tune into Radio Sport is like telling them to chew razor blades, or listen to an oompah band sober….

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