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GOOD GRIEF
5:00PM Sat November 5, 2010
By Kerre ohoWmad
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Your Views: Is George Baker's sentence fair?
Your Views: Is George Baker's sentence fair?
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I've written before about that tagger Liam Ashley and George Baker, and I won't
cover the issues again. For anyone who's been in a coma for the last five years, here's what happened: George Baker lashed out at Liam Ashley, then strangled and stomped the 17-year-old tagger to death in the back of a prison van while it was taking them to Mt Eden Remand Centre in Auckland.
But I would like to ask Liam the tagger's dad, Ian, to take the
passion and pain he's feeling right now and use it for good.
No doubt he feels like he's failed Liam because he left him in jail with a bunch of other low-life scum in order "to teach him a lesson" (some lesson, huh?) and so he wasn't there to protect him against George Baker. But now Ian is starting to fail his other children because he's so depressed and angry.
passion and pain he's feeling right now and use it for good.
No doubt he feels like he's failed Liam because he left him in jail with a bunch of other low-life scum in order "to teach him a lesson" (some lesson, huh?) and so he wasn't there to protect him against George Baker. But now Ian is starting to fail his other children because he's so depressed and angry.
Outside court today, a rather worked-up Ian Ashley said Baker was "evil" and should "never ever come out of prison unless it is in a coffin."
It will be up to the adults in that family to be strong and to support Ian so that his feelings of despair are a temporary response to the pain he's feeling.
And the adults must not allow the young ones to use Liam's death as an excuse for failure and violence. How is that honouring Liam's life?
Surely the most fitting tribute to his son would be for Ian to raise two successful, well-adjusted kids whose memories of their brother will be loving, not tainted with hate and bitterness for his killer.
Ian feels he's let down his son - and no doubt every grieving parent feels the same way. But unless he can manage to move on from his rage, he'll undoubtedly let down his two remaining children.
Speak to ya tonight, guys!
NewstalkZB. Tune Your Mind.
NewstalkZB. Tune Your Mind.
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"NewstalkZB's Kerre ohoWmad" <kerreohowma...@
in message
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> GOOD GRIEF 5:00PM Sat November 5, 2010 By Kerre ohoWmad
>
> ******************************
> Your Views: Is George Baker's sentence fair?
> ******************************
> I've written before about that tagger Liam Ashley and George Baker,
> and I won't cover the issues again. For anyone who's been in a coma
> for the last five years, here's what happened: George Baker lashed out
> at Liam Ashley, then strangled and stomped the 17-year-old tagger to
> death in the back of a prison van while it was taking them to Mt Eden
> Remand Centre in Auckland.
>
> But I would like to ask Liam the tagger's dad, Ian, to take the
> passion and pain he's feeling right now and use it for good.
> No doubt he feels like he's failed Liam because he left him in jail
> with a bunch of other low-life scum in order "to teach him a
> lesson" (some lesson, huh?) and so he wasn't there to protect him
> against George Baker.
The cops and legal system in general failed miserably. I imagine the people
in charge of transporting the prisoners under such uncontrolled conditions
are also serving time in prison for negligence and/or dereliction of duty?
in charge of transporting the prisoners under such uncontrolled conditions
are also serving time in prison for negligence and/or dereliction of duty?
> But now Ian is starting to fail his other
> children because he's so depressed and angry.
How do you know he his depressed, and how is he failing his other kids?
> Outside court today, a rather worked-up Ian Ashley said Baker was
> "evil" and should "never ever come out of prison unless it is in a
> coffin."
Baker himself also stated he would probably kill again. Sounds like "evil"
might fit?`
might fit?`
> It will be up to the adults in that family to be strong and to support
> Ian so that his feelings of despair are a temporary response to the
> pain he's feeling.
>
> And the adults must not allow the young ones to use Liam's death as an
> excuse for failure and violence. How is that honouring Liam's life?
> Surely the most fitting tribute to his son would be for Ian to raise
> two successful, well-adjusted kids whose memories of their brother
> will be loving, not tainted with hate and bitterness for his killer.
>
> Ian feels he's let down his son - and no doubt every grieving parent
> feels the same way.
> But unless he can manage to move on from his rage, he'll undoubtedly
> let down his two remaining children.
Helping keep murderers like Baker in jail helps keep the rest of us safer.
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"NewstalkZB's Kerre ohoWmad" <kerreohowma...@
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?Your Views: Is George Baker's sentence fair?
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Is this the real Kerre?
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"Geopelia" <phil...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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claim to.
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On Nov 6, 7:24 am, "Fred" <r...@parachute.net.nz> wrote:
> "Geopelia" <phildo...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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> > "NewstalkZB's Kerre ohoWmad" <kerreohowmadnewstal...@
> "Geopelia" <phildo...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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> > "NewstalkZB's Kerre ohoWmad" <kerreohowmadnewstal...@
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But, as Geopelia's uncertainty indicates, it could indeed be the real
Kerre Woodham. The style, the sniffy condescension, even the words are
identical. Even someone as astute as Geopelia thinks it could be Kerre
Woodham.
Kerre Woodham. The style, the sniffy condescension, even the words are
identical. Even someone as astute as Geopelia thinks it could be Kerre
Woodham.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
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On Nov 5, 11:26 pm, "Peter K" <pe...@parcelvej.dk> wrote:
> "NewstalkZB's Kerre ohoWmad" <kerreohowmadnewstal...@
> in messagenews:a2dd8210-c0ce-> "NewstalkZB's Kerre ohoWmad" <kerreohowmadnewstal...@
>
>
>
>
>
> > GOOD GRIEF 5:00PM Sat November 5, 2010 By Kerre ohoWmad
>
> > ******************************
> > Your Views: Is George Baker's sentence fair?
> > ******************************
> > I've written before about that tagger Liam Ashley and George Baker,
> > and I won't cover the issues again. For anyone who's been in a coma
> > for the last five years, here's what happened: George Baker lashed out
> > at Liam Ashley, then strangled and stomped the 17-year-old tagger to
> > death in the back of a prison van while it was taking them to Mt Eden
> > Remand Centre in Auckland.
>
> > But I would like to ask Liam the tagger's dad, Ian, to take the
> > passion and pain he's feeling right now and use it for good.
> > No doubt he feels like he's failed Liam because he left him in jail
> > with a bunch of other low-life scum in order "to teach him a
> > lesson" (some lesson, huh?) and so he wasn't there to protect him
> > against George Baker.
>
> The cops and legal system in general failed miserably. I imagine the people
> in charge of transporting the prisoners under such uncontrolled conditions
> are also serving time in prison for negligence and/or dereliction of duty?
I would agree with that sentiment.
>
> > But now Ian is starting to fail his other
> > children because he's so depressed and angry.
>
> How do you know he his depressed, and how is he failing his other kids?
> > But now Ian is starting to fail his other
> > children because he's so depressed and angry.
>
> How do you know he his depressed, and how is he failing his other kids?
Did you see him outside the court yesterday? He is clinically
depressed. By allowing himself to get like that, he is, ipso facto,
failing his other kids (lovely daughters they are).
depressed. By allowing himself to get like that, he is, ipso facto,
failing his other kids (lovely daughters they are).
>
> > Outside court today, a rather worked-up Ian Ashley said Baker was
> > "evil" and should "never ever come out of prison unless it is in a
> > coffin."
>
> Baker himself also stated he would probably kill again. Sounds like "evil"
> might fit?`
> > Outside court today, a rather worked-up Ian Ashley said Baker was
> > "evil" and should "never ever come out of prison unless it is in a
> > coffin."
>
> Baker himself also stated he would probably kill again. Sounds like "evil"
> might fit?`
Equally, how do we know George was not provoked by that tagger? And
what is "evil"? A lot of us regard tagging as the ultimate evil.
what is "evil"? A lot of us regard tagging as the ultimate evil.
>
> > It will be up to the adults in that family to be strong and to support
> > Ian so that his feelings of despair are a temporary response to the
> > pain he's feeling.
>
> > And the adults must not allow the young ones to use Liam's death as an
> > excuse for failure and violence. How is that honouring Liam's life?
> > Surely the most fitting tribute to his son would be for Ian to raise
> > two successful, well-adjusted kids whose memories of their brother
> > will be loving, not tainted with hate and bitterness for his killer.
>
> > Ian feels he's let down his son - and no doubt every grieving parent
> > feels the same way.
> > But unless he can manage to move on from his rage, he'll undoubtedly
> > let down his two remaining children.
>
> Helping keep murderers like Baker in jail helps keep the rest of us safer.
> > It will be up to the adults in that family to be strong and to support
> > Ian so that his feelings of despair are a temporary response to the
> > pain he's feeling.
>
> > And the adults must not allow the young ones to use Liam's death as an
> > excuse for failure and violence. How is that honouring Liam's life?
> > Surely the most fitting tribute to his son would be for Ian to raise
> > two successful, well-adjusted kids whose memories of their brother
> > will be loving, not tainted with hate and bitterness for his killer.
>
> > Ian feels he's let down his son - and no doubt every grieving parent
> > feels the same way.
> > But unless he can manage to move on from his rage, he'll undoubtedly
> > let down his two remaining children.
>
> Helping keep murderers like Baker in jail helps keep the rest of us safer.
Okay. That's your opinion.
Call me tomorrow morning, on 0800-80-1080 if you want to discuss this
further.
further.
NewstalkZB. Tune Your Mind.
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Peter K wrote:
>
> "NewstalkZB's Kerre ohoWmad" <kerreohowma...@
> wrote in message
> news:a2dd8210-c0ce-46be-9b5c-
>> GOOD GRIEF
5:00PM Sat November 5, 2010
By Kerre ohoWmad
>>
> "NewstalkZB's Kerre ohoWmad" <kerreohowma...@
> wrote in message
> news:a2dd8210-c0ce-46be-9b5c-
>> GOOD GRIEF
5:00PM Sat November 5, 2010
By Kerre ohoWmad
>>
>> Ian feels he's let down his son - and no doubt every grieving parent
>> feels the same way.
>> feels the same way.
Let's not talk ill of the dead... but... Liam was no charm, as I
remember it his parents wanted him to get a stiff dose of reality.
That very idea might have play in how he was transported (allegedly).
Criminals aren't stupid, they don't like being played like the rest
of us don't like it, so it may have been picked up that they were
teaching Liam a lesson and were insulted by the idea, that they
are scum and they were being used again without their consent.
Of course I'm heavily projecting, but its not as simple as it first looks.
remember it his parents wanted him to get a stiff dose of reality.
That very idea might have play in how he was transported (allegedly).
Criminals aren't stupid, they don't like being played like the rest
of us don't like it, so it may have been picked up that they were
teaching Liam a lesson and were insulted by the idea, that they
are scum and they were being used again without their consent.
Of course I'm heavily projecting, but its not as simple as it first looks.
Putting a kid into a lions dean to chill him is hardly without risks,
of course his parents should be beating themselves up, their poor
view of what prisons are and criminals are. This in part comes from
the whole Sensible Sentencing Trust type arguments that prison is
too light, then send us into the spiral of where the line is and why
we look weak for not going for the harsher options. When justice should
have always been about punishment fitting the crime, not some rightwing
power play, the fact that these parents would toy with the justice
system to give their kid a wake up call... ..that's what's shocking.
Thirty years of extremist rightwing take no prisoners, throw the key away.
of course his parents should be beating themselves up, their poor
view of what prisons are and criminals are. This in part comes from
the whole Sensible Sentencing Trust type arguments that prison is
too light, then send us into the spiral of where the line is and why
we look weak for not going for the harsher options. When justice should
have always been about punishment fitting the crime, not some rightwing
power play, the fact that these parents would toy with the justice
system to give their kid a wake up call... ..that's what's shocking.
Thirty years of extremist rightwing take no prisoners, throw the key away.
>> But unless he can manage to move on from his rage, he'll undoubtedly
>> let down his two remaining children.
>
> Helping keep murderers like Baker in jail helps keep the rest of us safer.
>> let down his two remaining children.
>
> Helping keep murderers like Baker in jail helps keep the rest of us safer.
No. It won't stop people believing a false view of the criminal
justice system that put parents in the position of teaching their kid
a harsh lesson. The extreme rightwing hate the idea of justice being fair.
And that's been the only right of center platform for a long time,
no reason, just an excuse to bully the weak with harsher and harder
penalties that have no correspondence to the crime.
justice system that put parents in the position of teaching their kid
a harsh lesson. The extreme rightwing hate the idea of justice being fair.
And that's been the only right of center platform for a long time,
no reason, just an excuse to bully the weak with harsher and harder
penalties that have no correspondence to the crime.
The sad thing is Lian was thrown into a system for the same reason
the system is so dangerous, the weak cornered turned evil.
the system is so dangerous, the weak cornered turned evil.
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Geopelia wrote:
When we give up punishment matching the crime, and the press
push hard right nut foolery that prisons are too soft, then
a father disgraced his out of control son. If family don't
stick by you however they feel, then who is going to. Who
have your back. So of course Liam father was led to a false
decision by the rightwing press, that prisons are soft, that
justice is a toy that can chill your kid by giving him a dose
of the system.
>
> "NewstalkZB's Kerre ohoWmad" <kerreohowma...@
> wrote in message
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> GOOD GRIEF ?5:00PM Sat November 5, 2010 ?By Kerre ohoWmad
>
> "NewstalkZB's Kerre ohoWmad" <kerreohowma...@
> wrote in message
> news:a2dd8210-c0ce-46be-9b5c-
> GOOD GRIEF ?5:00PM Sat November 5, 2010 ?By Kerre ohoWmad
>
When we give up punishment matching the crime, and the press
push hard right nut foolery that prisons are too soft, then
a father disgraced his out of control son. If family don't
stick by you however they feel, then who is going to. Who
have your back. So of course Liam father was led to a false
decision by the rightwing press, that prisons are soft, that
justice is a toy that can chill your kid by giving him a dose
of the system.
The sad fact is the bad parenting, that can't see that a lack
of time with parents, that a system that distorts and dislocates
us from ourselves to push profitable opportunities
- whether high sugar, fat, salt - obesity
- or wive no quarter to crimes that makes any defense of justice
being blind look like weakness.
of time with parents, that a system that distorts and dislocates
us from ourselves to push profitable opportunities
- whether high sugar, fat, salt - obesity
- or wive no quarter to crimes that makes any defense of justice
being blind look like weakness.
Liam is dead because his Father listened and followed the mainstream
press need to turn a buck, a press who should not respect the hard
right nutters but be responsible and expose them!
press need to turn a buck, a press who should not respect the hard
right nutters but be responsible and expose them!
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"Mo" <morriss...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quod erat demonstrandum.
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I don't know much about Kerre, I just listen to her talkback program
sometimes, which is mainly listeners' opinions anyway.
There was a bit of debate about these group posts some time ago, which is
why I wondered.
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I don't know much about Kerre, I just listen to her talkback program
sometimes, which is mainly listeners' opinions anyway.
There was a bit of debate about these group posts some time ago, which is
why I wondered.
Baker is one murderer who should certainly hang.
How will they keep him away from other prisoners?
How will they keep him away from other prisoners?
But now he will be in jail, probably for life, it will be an opportunity for
qualified persons to study him.
Perhaps they will find some way to identify these people as children. If
there is some "bad gene" perhaps with medical advances in the future that
could be modified.
qualified persons to study him.
Perhaps they will find some way to identify these people as children. If
there is some "bad gene" perhaps with medical advances in the future that
could be modified.
But a bit of rope would be much cheaper!
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On Nov 6, 9:55 am, "Geopelia" <phildo...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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No, it's mainly Kerre Woodham's opinion. The people who ring in
endorse her views. Any dissenters are listened to, without comment, in
an icy silence. Sometimes she will dismiss them with a sarcastic
comment, or if she really hates what they're saying, she'll make a
personal attack----like she did with a very old man who called to
defend a woman who had been severely beaten by Woodham's colleague
Tony Veitch. Woodham had been abusing and pouring scorn on the victim
all evening, and the old man protested at that. Woodham snarled at
him, calling him a "deaf old fool". Talkback hosts get callers who
reflect themselves.
endorse her views. Any dissenters are listened to, without comment, in
an icy silence. Sometimes she will dismiss them with a sarcastic
comment, or if she really hates what they're saying, she'll make a
personal attack----like she did with a very old man who called to
defend a woman who had been severely beaten by Woodham's colleague
Tony Veitch. Woodham had been abusing and pouring scorn on the victim
all evening, and the old man protested at that. Woodham snarled at
him, calling him a "deaf old fool". Talkback hosts get callers who
reflect themselves.
>
> There was a bit of debate about these group posts some time ago, which is
> why I wondered.
> There was a bit of debate about these group posts some time ago, which is
> why I wondered.
>
> Baker is one murderer who should certainly hang.
> Baker is one murderer who should certainly hang.
Then so is Bruce Emery. Woodham and nearly all her NewstalkZB
colleagues actually praised his killing of a boy even younger than
Liam Ashley.
colleagues actually praised his killing of a boy even younger than
Liam Ashley.
>
> How will they keep him away from other prisoners?
>
> But now he will be in jail, probably for life, it will be an opportunity for
> qualified persons to study him.
> Perhaps they will find some way to identify these people as children. If
> there is some "bad gene" perhaps with medical advances in the future that
> could be modified.
>
> But a bit of rope would be much cheaper!
> How will they keep him away from other prisoners?
>
> But now he will be in jail, probably for life, it will be an opportunity for
> qualified persons to study him.
> Perhaps they will find some way to identify these people as children. If
> there is some "bad gene" perhaps with medical advances in the future that
> could be modified.
>
> But a bit of rope would be much cheaper!
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"Mo" <morriss...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quod erat demonstrandum.
Rest assured if it was Kerre Woodham, she would put her name to it. Besides,
this posting was written by a man.
this posting was written by a man.
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On Nov 6, 1:25 pm, "Fred" <r...@parachute.net.nz> has a higher opinion
of the malicious NewstalkZB chatterer Kerre Woodham:
> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
It will be up to the adults in that family to be strong and to support
Leanne so that her feelings of despair are a temporary response to the
pain she's feeling.
And the adults must not allow the young ones to use Pihema's death as
an excuse for failure and violence.
How is that honouring Pihema's life? Surely the most fitting tribute
to her son would be for Leanne to raise three successful, well-
adjusted kids whose memories of their brother will be loving, not
tainted with hate and bitterness for his killer.
Leanne feels she's let down her eldest son - and no doubt every
grieving parent feels the same way.
But unless she can manage to move on from her rage, she'll undoubtedly
let down her three remaining children.
* www.kerrewoodham.com
>
> Besides, this posting was written by a man.
of the malicious NewstalkZB chatterer Kerre Woodham:
> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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She did put her name to it. The Kerre ohoWmad post is simply a
reiteration of an actual Kerre Woodham post, which we at Daisycutter
Sports Inc. are happy to print for you. Of course the names have been
changed for the Ashley case, but the breathtaking cruelty and sheer
bloody-minded gall of Woodham's upbraiding a grieving parent remain
unchanged. This is what the real Woodham---not her doppelganger
ohoWmad---wrote last year....
reiteration of an actual Kerre Woodham post, which we at Daisycutter
Sports Inc. are happy to print for you. Of course the names have been
changed for the Ashley case, but the breathtaking cruelty and sheer
bloody-minded gall of Woodham's upbraiding a grieving parent remain
unchanged. This is what the real Woodham---not her doppelganger
ohoWmad---wrote last year....
http://tinyurl.com/lpckde
GOOD GRIEF
4:00AM Sunday Feb 15, 2009
By Kerre Woodham
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Your Views: Is Bruce Emery's sentence fair?
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I've written before about Pihema Cameron and Bruce Emery, and I won't
cover the issues again. But I would like to ask Pihema's mum, Leanne,
to take the passion and pain she's feeling right now and use it for
good.
She says that she feels like she's failed Pihema because she was in
Perth, working to advance the family financially, and she wasn't there
to protect him.
Now she feels like she's failing her three other children because
she's so depressed and angry. That anger is being felt - and
articulated - by the rest of the extended family, with one man
reported as saying he'd like to rip Emery's eyeballs out.
GOOD GRIEF
4:00AM Sunday Feb 15, 2009
By Kerre Woodham
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Your Views: Is Bruce Emery's sentence fair?
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I've written before about Pihema Cameron and Bruce Emery, and I won't
cover the issues again. But I would like to ask Pihema's mum, Leanne,
to take the passion and pain she's feeling right now and use it for
good.
She says that she feels like she's failed Pihema because she was in
Perth, working to advance the family financially, and she wasn't there
to protect him.
Now she feels like she's failing her three other children because
she's so depressed and angry. That anger is being felt - and
articulated - by the rest of the extended family, with one man
reported as saying he'd like to rip Emery's eyeballs out.
It will be up to the adults in that family to be strong and to support
pain she's feeling.
And the adults must not allow the young ones to use Pihema's death as
an excuse for failure and violence.
to her son would be for Leanne to raise three successful, well-
adjusted kids whose memories of their brother will be loving, not
tainted with hate and bitterness for his killer.
grieving parent feels the same way.
let down her three remaining children.
* www.kerrewoodham.com
>
> Besides, this posting was written by a man.
Kerre ohoWmad is a young, gorgeous and above all thoughtful young
woman---unlike the real Kerre Woodham.
woman---unlike the real Kerre Woodham.
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On Nov 6, 1:25 pm, "Fred" <r...@parachute.net.nz> wrote:
> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Rest assured, Fred, that Kerre Woodham DID write that vicious lecture.
Except she directed it against the MOTHER of a FIFTEEN-year-old murder
victim. My friend Kerre ohoWmad simply used Woodham's bilge as the
base for a virtually identical vicious lecture of the FATHER of a
SEVENTEEN-year-old murder victim.
Except she directed it against the MOTHER of a FIFTEEN-year-old murder
victim. My friend Kerre ohoWmad simply used Woodham's bilge as the
base for a virtually identical vicious lecture of the FATHER of a
SEVENTEEN-year-old murder victim.
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"Fr Scooter" <5c衷73r@goatmile.dpn> wrote in message
news:
> On , , Fri, 5 Nov 2010 23:50:52 +1300, Re: How does Ian Ashley's
> self-indulgent
> I blame Baker for killing Ashley but if the story is correct Ashley
> provoked the
> assault that left him dead.
> He got "lippy" with a psychopath and paid the price.
news:
> On , , Fri, 5 Nov 2010 23:50:52 +1300, Re: How does Ian Ashley's
> self-indulgent
> I blame Baker for killing Ashley but if the story is correct Ashley
> provoked the
> assault that left him dead.
> He got "lippy" with a psychopath and paid the price.
Er what? The price for "getting lippy" is death? That's so incredibly
reasonable.
reasonable.
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"Peter K" <pe...@parcelvej.dk> wrote in message
news:4cd5d487@news.xnet.co.nz.
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No. That's the price for getting lippy with a psychopath.
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On Nov 7, 11:19 am, "Peter K" <pe...@parcelvej.dk> wrote:
> "Fr Scooter" <5cÖÔ7...@goatmile.dpn> wrote in message
>
> news:
>
> > On , , Fri, 5 Nov 2010 23:50:52 +1300, Re: How does Ian Ashley's
> > self-indulgent
> "Fr Scooter" <5cÖÔ7...@goatmile.dpn> wrote in message
>
> news:
>
> > On , , Fri, 5 Nov 2010 23:50:52 +1300, Re: How does Ian Ashley's
> > self-indulgent
> > "grief" honour his son?, "Geopelia" <phildo...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
> >>Is this the real Kerre?
>
> > I blame Baker for killing Ashley but if the story is correct Ashley
> > provoked the
> > assault that left him dead.
> > He got "lippy" with a psychopath and paid the price.
>
> Er what? The price for "getting lippy" is death? That's so incredibly
> reasonable.
>
> >>Is this the real Kerre?
>
> > I blame Baker for killing Ashley but if the story is correct Ashley
> > provoked the
> > assault that left him dead.
> > He got "lippy" with a psychopath and paid the price.
>
> Er what? The price for "getting lippy" is death? That's so incredibly
> reasonable.
Actually, it is quite reasonable. Another tagger comes to a sticky
end. Was it ever going to end any other way? Look on it as Darwinism
in action. Bruce Emery and George Baker did us all a favour.
end. Was it ever going to end any other way? Look on it as Darwinism
in action. Bruce Emery and George Baker did us all a favour.
Call me on 0800-80-1080 tomorrow night if you want to chat about it.
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