Tuesday 9 January 2018

Three more Kiwi deaths in Afghanistan (Aug. 20, 2012)

    • Akldnut2.1
      This is so sad – I’m gutted for the soldiers families.
      • Morrissey2.1.1
        So what steps are you taking to make sure this doesn’t happen to other families? Have you contacted your M.P. and demanded he/she press the prime minister to pull our troops out?
        • Akldnut2.1.1.1
          Bunter Bennett won’t speak to me or call back after I told her to “F” off my property so I went into Cam Calders office while out South but each time I ask for a reply to my demands they ignore me, so I don’t even try anymore.
          Have you?
          • Morrissey2.1.1.1.1
            Bunter Bennett won’t speak to me or call back after I told her to “F” off my property so I went into Cam Calders office while out South but each time I ask for a reply to my demands they ignore me, so I don’t even try anymore.
            I sympathize with you. Be careful not to antagonize that ghastly woman or she’ll mount a campaign of defamation against you.
            Have you?
            Yes. He was polite enough. Like everyone, he knows that this war has no justification, but I hold little hope that he will find the courage to actually speak that truth.
    • GregJ2.2
      It is worth pointing out that women also serve in our armed forces, including in Afghanistan – and it is rumoured that one of those killed may be a female soldier.
      • Draco T Bastard2.2.1
        Why is the fact that one of our soldiers was a women make any difference?
        • Colonial Viper2.2.1.1
          Public reaction to a female KIA or one taken prisoner can sometimes be different. Male and female soldiers cannot be assigned the same roles when dealing with a Muslim population. Modern military forces commonly distinguished roles (formally and informally) which are not filled by women.
        • deuto2.2.1.2
          It doesn’t Draco – but a number of comments on the Standard today have referred to the NZ troops in Afghanstan being ‘our boys’ , or ‘sons, fathers, brothers’ etc without any appreciation/recognition that those troops also include women.
  1. IrishBill3
    My condolences also.
  2. deuto4
    My condolences also to the families, friends and colleagues – Stuff are now reporting that one of the three is a woman.
    Goff is currently being interviewed on Nime to Noon and, if I heard him correctly, is saying that in his opinion, there is no longer a prospect of achieving the original objectives of our participation in Afghanstan and we should possibly withdraw.
    • Morrissey4.1
      Goff is… saying that there is no longer a prospect of achieving the original objectives of our participation in Afghanstan and we should possibly withdraw.
      Goff and Helen Clark are as culpable in this criminal fiasco as Key is. In fact, their culpability is greater, for they sent the troops there in the first place. They mouthed the propaganda about “reconstruction” and fibbed about good-natured Kiwi soldiers winning the hearts and minds of the locals.
      The revelations about those good-natured Kiwi soldiers being bullied by American grunts into handing over captive civilians for possible torture and summary execution make the lies of Clark, Goff and Key even more craven.
      • bbfloyd4.1.1
        Amazing what rubbish goes through what passes through a tories mind nowadays….. Only an incurable bigot with the attention span of a goldfish would feel competent to make the kind of statement you’ve just made morris minor….
        try again.. and this time, spend more than five seconds absorbing tory slogans to use as your intellectual basis….
        You may not make such an ass of yourself….(i’m assuming you have the wit to understand the big words contained in the articles outlining reality as it is, not as the tories would wish it to be)
        • Morrissey4.1.1.1
          Amazing what rubbish goes through what passes through a tories mind nowadays…
          Whatever hallucinogenic substance you are on, I don’t think it improves your writing style. I enjoyed being called a “tory” for a moment or two there, until I realized it came from a confused mind.
      • Lanthanide4.1.2
        “They mouthed the propaganda about “reconstruction” and fibbed about good-natured Kiwi soldiers winning the hearts and minds of the locals.”
        So you knew, with 100% certainty, that it was all for naught before the soldiers were sent?
        Maybe you should buy lotto tickets if you’re so good at predicting the future.
        • pukeko4.1.2.1
          Kaua koe e whai atu i ngā mahi a te hukehuke rā, kei raru kōrua tahi
        • Morrissey4.1.2.2
          So you knew, with 100% certainty, that it was all for naught before the soldiers were sent?
          I know with 100 per cent certainty that no New Zealand soldiers were killed in Afghanistan before Helen Clark had her arm twisted and sent them there.
          I know with 100 per cent certainty that the overwhelming majority of Afghanistan’s people want the invading troops out.
          But why don’t you listen to one of them yourself, accompanied by the world’s most respected dissenter?…
  3. rosy5
    Such a tragic loss for the families and friends of these 3 men. Deepest sympathy.
  4. Jenny21
    Gordon Campbell writes that it is gutless crawling to the Americans by our leaders that New Zealanders are dying for.
    “…… we should be clear about the motives at work here.”
    “…… when Prime Minister John Key wears his sad face and talks gravely about sacrifice, we need to keep in mind that the lives in question have been sacrificed for a political commitment that is meaningless. There is no noble purpose involved here, only the usual grubby business of politicking – that by joining the effort in Afghanistan, New Zealand might gain some political or trade favours from the Americans.”
    Gordon Campbell August 20, 2012
    “….our soldiers will continue to be sitting ducks, who are doing little more than trying to survive a totally arbitrary period of deployment.”
    “On the current timetable, our PRT forces are not due to be withdrawn until September 2013. That timeframe lacks any intrinsic sense. There is no reason to believe that between now and then, our PRT presence will make Bamiyan safer for the locals in any sustainable fashion, or that the aid projects with which the PRT has been involved will survive their withdrawal. Nothing that New Zealand will achieve between now and September 2013 can justify the further loss of life that now seems inevitable….”
    Gordon Campbell August 20, 2012
    “Whenever he is pressed on the purpose of our Afghan deployment, Key usually responds by saying that we’re fighting global terrorism and/or enabling Afghanistan to rebuild. Well, if it ever made any sense, the ‘fighting global terrorism’ rationale ended many years ago, after the destruction of al Qaeda as a functioning global network and the capture and/or killing of its leaders……”
    “The Dutch saw the writing on the wall and pulled out their troops two years ago. There is no good reason why we should not do likewise, and get our forces home by Christmas. Because what our troops in Afghanistan are really defending – and dying for – in 2012 is John Key’s reputation, and his welcome mat in Washington.”
    Gordon Campbell August 20, 2012
    • geoff21.1
      yup, nice one Jenny.
    • Morrissey21.2
      It’s honesty like that, along with the fact that he’s humiliated Graham Bell and Richard Griffin on air, that means Campbell is not asked to appear on National Radio’s wretched “Panel” programme any more.
      • Grumpy21.2.1
        Campbell would have a lot more credibility if he had written those comments years ago and substituted “Clark” for “Key”……….
        • Morrissey21.2.1.1
          Campbell would have a lot more credibility if he had written those comments years ago and substituted “Clark” for “Key”……….
          He did, and on many occasions. You really need to catch up on your reading, my friend.


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