Puckish Rogue15.1
“Sportspeople, past and present, are generally brainless, conformist halfwits”Yeah thats not a generalization or nothingCATMAN15.1.1
Yeah he really should have made it clear he was generalising, maybe by saying “generally” or something
Not that you’d have noticed, it’s not like you read anything before you type Even though it was in the sentence you quoted Can we get some new trools please? This is just the same one that got banned yesterday and it’s fecking useless.- Sorry should have added massive generalization and incredibly petty and small minded judging an extremely large group of people by a very small group of drop kicks
vto15.1.1.1.1
I love the way sportspeople at times cry “… keep politics out of sport …” ….… then in the very next breath ask politicians to pay for their work premises (stadiums) …. the hypocrisy ….- I agree, I wouldn’t pay a cent towards Team NZ (as another example)
- Yep. And how about the cries here in Chch from rich professional sports business people for elderly ratepayers to pay for a new stadium with a roof to keep their heads dry and warm when they can’t even fill the current stadium?? And when we are struggling to pay for replacement sewers and roads and libraries and swimming pools for the kids??Quite astounding.Funny though that most of those rich sports business people have realised their folly and gone quiet in embarassment. They no longer ask for the poor and elderly ratepayers to pay for their work premises.
- Yes but lets not lump all sportspeople in with the people running said sports
- Nothing wrong with the occasional generalisation – there is generally something in said generalisations..And it aint just people running such sports (cycling types are always calling for the elderly to pay for their velodromes too) who make this call, it is too often the players and participants themselves. It is heard all the time amongst general sports talk.Cricket has just been given such largesse in Chch with new Hagley Park grounds.It is a classic race to the bottom – best example being the Olympics. Olympics plays off cities against one another to see who can do the best deal. End result being that all host cities end up chronically in debt with pretty much no benefit whatsoever.Sport has been riding this game for a while now – be interesting to see how much longer it lasts. Personally, I think cities should call the bluff of the rugby unions, the Olympics committees, the velodrome nutters, the Americas cup bludgers, the V8 racers, and give them zip. If they don’t come then so f%$king what? Net result is a win for the cities as these events always cost – there is never a net benefit.
- I agree with this however you can make a profit from the Olympics but its very hit and mess
- The net benefit is to the egos of politicians and their mates in the very select business niches that do profit from such events.
McFlock15.1.1.1.2
massive generalization and incredibly petty and small minded judging an extremely large group of people by a very small group of drop kicksYeah, in the same way beneficiaries and the parents of poor children are depicted when tories claim that the parents waste any money on booze, drugs, and cigarettes.- Well sports is one of the areas where left and right wingers can and do interactThe rugby club used to be a microcosm of NZ society (not always in a good way i grant you) where blue collar and white collar got on and discussed the importanct issues of the day (well probably not)Just thinking that lumping the majority of sportspeople who play for the love of the game in with the administrators of tha games (which is where the problems usually begin) is a quite short sightedI can’t be the only one who thinks its a great sight going past (or when i get roped in myself) touch fields filled with all kinds of people playing simply because its enjoyableand yes I’m wearing rose-tinted glasses
- Poor parents from all sides of the political and socio-economic spectra interact at play groups.Lumping all beneficiaries and working poor in together is short-sighted, too.
- I’m sure they do however I have zero experience of play groups and extensive experience of sports clubs
- Surely you must still pass them on occasion, and think it’s a great sight that parents and kids of all backgrounds can get together for the simple joy of social interaction?
The lost sheep15.1.1.1.2.2
So we are all agreed then.Crude generalization of what are in fact complex groupings of real people is just bigotry, and to prove the superior moral tone of the left, there will be no more of it on this blog.- The exception being when the generalisation is based on a characterisation by which the groupings are delineated – calling tories “fuckwits”, for example, is merely a description that emphasises one of the characteristics that makes a tory a tory.
- That kind of hypocrisy puts you on the same moral and intellectual plane as a tory fuckwit.
- nope, I’m nothing like you.
- True that.
For a start I have a life outside of left wing blogs.
And I pride myself on taking any point head on and trying to grapple with it, rather than attempting to lead the discussion up a side road every time I strike a sharp retort.
yup, and I see all people as genuine and real and worthy of respect, in all their endless variation of political opinion, as opposed to a simplistic division into 2 camps of saints and fuckwits…But I’m probably eating up your band width here, so back to you. - I don’t need to trool opposing blogsites to provoke negative reactions that I can then use to pretend that my life has any level of meaning or significance in the universe and reinflate my delusional sense of adequacy. That’s all you.
- There’s that unfounded false equivalence we know and love.
Paul15.1.2
You really sound like c73- acually is dolan.
swordfish15.2
MorrisseyGood one, Morrissey. Had no idea about Barthez’s protest against Israel’s brutality back in 05. It’s pretty rare for me to praise a former Man Utd player (or, indeed, anyone or anything to do with that particular club) but good on him.1960 AB Tour of Apartheid South Africa. Certainly the great George Nepia protested. By the early 70s, Ken Gray and Chris Laidlaw had moved in the same direction and, of course, by 81 AB Captain Graham Mourie and Centre, Bruce Robertson.Incidentally, Frank Bunce (from memory) was the main (possibly only ?) Celebrity endorser for the Alliance in the 1996 (or was it 99 ?) election campaign. Starkly contrasting with the Michael Jones, Paul Quinns and Tuigamalas of this world.Overall, though, I think it’s reasonable to conclude that professional sportspeople do indeed tend to be as Thick as Mince.- Overall, though, I think it’s reasonable to conclude that sportspeople do indeed tend to be as Thick as Mince.– no thats quite unreasonable when you look at the number of people who play sport vs the drop kicks who bring the game into disreputeAs an example theres a little over 145 000 registered rugby players, 140 000 approx registered Netball players NZ and around 22 000 registered league players in NZ
- Yeah, I immediately edited in professional just to add a little more clarity and precision (presumably while you were in the middle of composing your reply).Personally, I played football (ie soccer) from age 8 to 39 (competitively on Saturday, socially on Sunday, and the Indoor variety during the week).
- Hey Paul, look how it does quotes and responses. lolz.
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Morrissey15.2.2.1
He tweeted for the scum, actually. Pub must have been closed.- Rugby’s association with alcohol has had many negative consequences for many New Zealand citizens.
b waghorn15.2.2.1.1.1
Its were I polished my drinking skills as a teenager hopefully rugby clubs are more responsible now
millsy15.2.3
“1960 AB Tour of Apartheid South Africa. Certainly the great George Nepia protested. By the early 70s, Ken Gray and Chris Laidlaw had moved in the same direction and, of course, by 81 AB Captain Graham Mourie and Centre, Bruce Robertson.”I have noticed that the men who you mentioned seem to have had their talents largely unutilized by the NZRFU after their careers came to an end, apart from a breif stint coaching the Hurricanes/Lions in Mourie’s case. while those that went on the 1986 rebel Cavaliers tour ended up enjoying large amounts of oppurtunities in administration and coaching long after their playing careers ended.Of course, it could be purely co-incidental. and talking to any administrator from around that era would come up with a truck load of denials. But it does seem fishy, that those who stood up against NZ Rugby’s contact with SA seemed to find their rugby careers curtailed.
- Morrissey, do you have any idea why Graham Bell is invited on the Panel?
I don’t understand why his boorish ill educated views are sought after.- Morrissey, do you have any idea why Graham Bell is invited on the Panel?He’s a celebrity, and he expresses himself forcefully. That works well on radio.I don’t understand why his boorish ill educated views are sought after.I agree with you that he often sounds boorish, and I have often cringed—or raged—at some of the things he has said. Today, for instance, he tried to argue that the arrest of a top cop in Northland for selling drugs showed how incorruptible the New Zealand Police are. Disappointingly, neither the host Simon Mercep nor Selwyn Manning decided to challenge him on that point. Bell also made a crazed attack on Nicky Hager; Mercep and Manning let that pass as well.On the other hand, Graham Bell does have an enlightened and tolerant side; he was relatively civilized and intelligent when he commented on the need to respect Maori protocols and language a few years ago.
BLiP15.4
‘6.) World-renowned Kiwi netball champion, Irene Van Dyk, has given her backing to the #BeCrueltyFree New Zealand campaign for a ban on cruel and outdated animal testing for cosmetics such as mascara, shampoo and anti-wrinkle cream.- That’s good to hear. However, I have heard her on several occasions ranting about how dangerous South Africa is “now”, implying it wasn’t dangerous before the blacks took over. Talk to a white South African, and there’s a high probability that kind of lazy racist rhetoric will spill forth eventually.
Clemgeopin15.4.1.1
During the apartheid years, the primary violence (I think) was the institutional injustice and violence from the white government and the powerful white landowners against the blacks. Now the violence is primarily due to economic, drug, gang reasons I think. I am not sure as I am not familiar with the actual situation there apart from reading about car jackings, burglary,rapes and heaps of murders. Not sure if it is racially motivated. Is it?- White South Africans raving about how dangerous South Africa has become in the last twenty years is racist.
- I am not sure if it is that simplistic. She may be meaning the reality, the common violence (not the apartheid violence) on the streets now which ‘probably’ did not exist previously. I do not know. Would be interesting to hear factual views of the situation there now of any South African readers. It is difficult for people to express honest views if they are then defined/characterised/judged by others as being racist.
- No I don’t think Irene Van Dyk is some kind of Paul Holmes or John Ansell. She seems to be a pleasant person. I don’t think she’s nasty or overtly racist; but the idea that South Africa has gone to the pack since Mandela was released is a racist trope that is often recycled by white South Africans.
Philip Ferguson…
South Africa certainly hasn’t gone to the pack since Mandela was released, but the ANC is far more ruthlessly market-oriented that the old white Nationalist Party was. The transition in South Africa is interesting in a horrible kind of way because the ruling class managed successfully (and it was an impressive achievement) to de-couple apartheid and capitalism, with the former being abolished and the latter being strengthened at the same time.See:
South Africa’s non-revolution:
http://rdln.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/south-africas-non-revolution/Nelson Mandela and the travesty of liberation:http://rdln.wordpress.com/2013/12/06/nelson-mandela/Mandela and New Zealand – our ‘Diana Moment’?:http://rdln.wordpress.com/2013/12/10/mandela-and-new-zealand-our-diana-moment/Phil
- I always ask a South African when they left the country.
Many seemed happy to stay under apartheid, but left when the whites lost political ascendancy.
Of course, as Naomi Klein and others have highlighted, the white establishment maintained its economic stranglehold over the country. Te Reo Putake15.4.1.3
Sounds like you’re bullshitting again, moz. But as you’ve heard these rants many times, you’ll have no problem backing up your claim, eh.- Sounds like you’re bullshitting again, moz.Okay, have it your way. In Te Ao Te Reo, white South African “exiles” never reflexively parrot racist tropes, just as your good self has never reflexively parroted black propaganda—-that means lies, by the way, not propaganda by black people—-against journalists and truth-tellers.But as you’ve heard these rants many times, you’ll have no problem backing up your claim, eh.I heard her interviewed several times by Murray (AKA “Deaks”, AKA “The Screaming Skull”, AKA The Most Dismal Sports Commentator Ever) Deaker and she almost always talked about how dangerous South Africa had become.
- As I say, back it up. I’m sure a quick search will find copies of those interviews. Otherwise you are just attributing to an individual a trope you believe applies to all white South Africans. That’s kinda like racism, eh?btw, I have a good friend who is in his mid fifties and who left SA a few years ago and who says the place is definitely more dangerous post apartheid. Is he racist, too? He’ll be surprised to hear it, being the lovely, liberal and man that he is.As an aside, while SA is still astonishingly dangerous, the violent crime rate is actually dropping. Not by enough, but dropping all the same. I have a sneaking suspicion that it always was violent, but prior to the democratic changes only crimes against the dominant community were recorded in any detail, making the joint seem a lot safer than it really was.
- I have a good friend who is in his mid fifties and who left SA a few years ago and who says the place is definitely more dangerous post apartheid.He certainly sounds it. Decades ago The Specials had some spot-on advice for people like you….
- I’ll be sure to let him know you think he’s a racist, Moz. As someone with a south Asian family heritage and classified as ‘Indian’ under apartheid, he knows a thing or two about the matter.
- Some of the stupidest, most racist comments you’ll hear in this country are made by the likes of Willy Jackson, Tau Henare and Winston Peters. They should know a thing or two about racism as well, but it doesn’t stop them saying the most incendiary things.So if your friend is saying that South Africa becoming a democratic state is a bad thing, then his ethnicity should not immunize him against criticism, surely?
- A simple ‘well played, Sir’ would have been a better response, Moz
- Great to hear. All those are Labour party policies as you can see below and in the link:Care for animals* Banning cruel shark finning
* No cosmetics sold in New Zealand tested on animals
* No synthetic highs tested on animals
* Protecting Animals’ RightsSee more info here:
http://campaign.labour.org.nz/caring_for_animals
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