Sunday, 6 January 2019

Standardisti debate the merits or otherwise of George Galloway (Jan. 7, 2019)

Ed10
George Galloway makes a superb point on Twitter.
“Dear SkyNews and BBCNews
If these images were from Moscow rather than France would you be carrying them on your news bulletins. Every day. Every hour. Incessantly?”
The New Zealand Herald would still have UFOs and celebrity gossip interspersed with this though.
  • Ad10.1
    As much chance of such images coming out of Russia as there are from China or Cuba.
    Free press in France not Russia: Galloway is a fuckwit.
    • Ed10.1.1
      He makes a valid point about the bias in BBC and Sky news coverage.
      Insulting him doesn’t detract from that point.
      • mauī10.1.1.1
        More from the gallant Galloway, another one of his simply stunning performances.
        • joe9010.1.1.1.1
          More from the gallant Galloway
          Galloway’s a craven defender of war criminals and authoritarian thugs.
          These people are gallant.
          *spits*
          • Morrissey10.1.1.1.1.1
            Galloway’s a craven defender of war criminals and authoritarian thugs.
            No he’s not.
            N.B. It’s precisely the above kind of foolishness I had in mind earlier today when I posted the following:
            There are several of these angry and ignorant characters infesting thisexcellent site. They need to be challenged forcefully every time they write something like this….
            • Ed
              Totally agree Morrissey.
              The warmongering spirit of Blair and Clinton lives amongst several contributors on this superb website.
            • Galloway has made hundreds of thousands of pounds spruiking for Iran, Saudi Arabia and Russia, Moz.
              Still, you’ve sparked an interesting thought. You know when Trump said “grab ’em by the pussy”, maybe it was a Freudian cry for George’s affection:
              • Ed
                I look forward to seeing you stand up to the US Senate and the warmongering Blairites.
                George is revered amongst leftists in the UK.
              • Morrissey
                ????
                He appeared on Press TV, yes. And, yes, he’s also appeared on RT. He also has appeared on another state broadcaster, the BBC. Does that mean he was spruiking for the scofflaw British regime? Did he spruik for Britain’s aggression against Iraq and Afghanistan? Did he spruik for Britain’s arming and support of ISIS “fighters” in Syria?
                I understand why you recycled the Grauniad/BBC lie about him supporting Iran and Russia, but the Saudi accusation is bizarre. Where does that come from? Galloway is perhaps the most impassioned denouncer of the British/American/French-backed “headchoppers and heart-eaters in Syria.” In fact, that’s his phrase. Those “rebels”, like the 9/11 perpetrators, are almost all Saudi Arabian. Yet you claim he spruiks for them.
                I’m sure you’ll provide the evidence of that, pronto.
                And yes, Galloway’s done some incredibly stupid things—including that little faux feline fiasco. That’s the extent of the serious charges against him, though: he made a fuckwit of himself on Big Brother.
                Have you thought of working for the Democratic National Committee? They’re into fantasy in a big way.
                • Moz, he made hundreds of thousands of dollars spruiking for Iran, Saudi Arabia and Russia. He doesn’t deny it. Why would you?
                  • Morrissey
                    Appearing on television is not “spruiking.” Mike Hosking is a spruiker. Paul “Kill Them All” Henry is a spruiker. Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Rachel Maddow—they’re spruikers.
                    Galloway, on the other hand, is a serious and formidably well read intellectual who speaks out for the oppressed and the marginalized.
                    Now, where is the evidence of him “spruiking” for anyone other than the people of Gaza and the Occupied Territories, the unemployed, the persecuted, and the public education and public health systems of Great Britain?
                  • Bullshit, Moz. The question is ‘what moral authority does a man paid by despots have?’ The answer is ‘fuck all’.
                  • Morrissey
                    So no evidence then? It’s nothing but abusive rhetoric. Why don’t you get a job with that hilarious new British black propaganda outfit the Integrity Initiative? At least then you’d be getting paid for it.
                  • They have google on the internet, now Moz. You might start by searching George’s own wikipedia page. He’s totally upfront about how much money he’s taken from Iran, Saudi Arabia and Russia.
                    And now he works for Murdoch. The man’s a moral vacuum.
                  • mauī
                    “It’s nothing but abusive rhetoric.”
                    and character assasination. Apparently he is the equivalent of both Clintons x 1000. For that reason alone you must ignore absolutely everything he says. Ghastly.
                  • Morrissey
                    And now he works for Murdoch. The man’s a moral vacuum.
                    Unfortunately, Te Reo, we all have to work and live in an imperfect world. The splendid Democracy Now! programme plays on Channel 83, on Sky Television, owned by…. Rupert Murdoch. Does that make Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez into moral vacuums too? Noam Chomsky writes occasionally for the Grauniad and the New York Times: does that mean he’s bought into their lies and propaganda?
                    I’d love to be pure too, but I don’t fancy cutting myself off from corrupt influences by perching on a pole or dwelling in a cave by myself forever. Or even for one day, actually.
                  • Galloway is filthy rich, Moz. He has choices the rest of us don’t have and nobody forces him to work for thugs. These are entirely his choices and they say a lot about the morals of the man.
                    (btw, the Dirty Digger doesn’t own Sky NZ. Vodafone, I think. But good point in the wider context.)
                  • Ed
                    I would argue that the moral vacuum lies within Tony Blair and his ‘new Labour ‘ acolytes.
                    Galloway, Skinner and Corbyn are among the principled few.
                    Chomsky, Pilger and Hedges all have appeared on RT. Are they moral vacuums too?
                  • Sacha
                    “I’d love to be pure too, but I don’t fancy cutting myself off from corrupt influences by perching on a pole or dwelling in a cave by myself forever.”
                    Then stop throwing a tanty any time someone so much as mentions the Guardian, Mr Breen.
                  • Ed
                    @sasha
                    You are aware of how the Guardian was exposed over its lies about Manafort and how its reporter Harding has been shown to be a fraud over his collusion claims?
                  • Morrissey
                    Jehosephats, Sacha—you got me and you got me good!
          • Ed10.1.1.1.1.2
            I guess Tony Blair would spit at Galloway too.
            Can you try a more pleasant tone in your comments towards the wonderful maui?
            • fender
              “…the wonderful maui?”
              Geez you lot must smell worse than a retirement home, pissing in each others pockets so often..
              • Stunned Mullet
                I don’t know why but for some reason your post reminded me of Penny Bright.
                She really made me smile over the years.
                • fender
                  Yeah I admired her tenacity, but I’ll never understand why she never kept her rates money aside for the inevitable.
                  Sad she’s no longer with us.
            • mauī
              Thank you Ed.
              Gee, there are some odious characters out today.
      • Ad10.1.1.2
        No he doesn’t.
        Unlike being in Russia I can insult a public figure all I like.
        The citizens of France can organize, advertise their organising, communicate to their members and to the public, protest appropriately, be arrested and have evidence contested and be bailed, and do it again and again, and associate with fellow protesters, challenge the head of state, and have all of that reported in the media as much as anyone chooses.
        Non of that is available in Russia. Because unlike France and the UK it is a fundamentally unfree state.
        But fuckwit Galloway wants to do a counterfactual what-if about reporting proportionality.
      • Ad10.1.1.3
        no he doesnt.
        The citizens of France can organise, advertise, communicate, protest, be arrested and have evidence contested and be bailed, and do it again, and associate, and have all of it reported in the media. As they are.
        None of that available in Russia. Because it is a fundamentally unfree state.
        But Fuckwit Galloway wants to do a counterfactual what-if on his own non-reality.
        • Ed10.1.1.3.1
          Did you read his tweet?
          It is not about the right to protest.
          It’s about the fact the UK mainstream news is hardly covering it, by comparison to the coverage that would occur if such protests had been happening in Russia.
          Also what is it about Galloway that rankles with you so much?
          The fact he was one of the leaders of the stop the war coalition?
          The fact he was evicted from the Labour Party for his principled opposition to the war adventures of Blair?
          The fact he has called out the centrists in the UK Labour Party for their betrayal of the British working class and their abandonment of socialist policies?
          The Labour leadership sold out here in the 1980s. Its leaders sold out in the UK in the 1990s and the Democratic Party leadership sold out under Clinton and Obama.
          Galloway was one of the few Labour MPs ( like Corbyn and Skinner) who stayed true to their principles.
          I get it you despise the man.
          Many British socialists revere and admire him.
          Read John Wight’s Twitter feed.
          • Stunned Mullet10.1.1.3.1.1
            “Many British socialists revere and admire him”
            But many more view him as a self important hypocrite and poor excuse for a cat.
            • Ed
              I know people like Piers Morgan and other right wingers think like this.
              George isn’t seeking the approval of a National voter in New Zealand either.
              Working class British people admire him.
              His courage to stand up to aBlair and the US Congress is something I know you nor I could have done. A brave principled man.
              I sense that his legacy will be far more revered than either yours or mine.
          • Ad10.1.1.3.1.2
            Your link was to a francophone media site.
            Galloway is not even fit to be employed as a reporter – so instead he’s got the “principles” of a paid commenter.
            Since he likes counterfactuals, Galloway saying such things in Russia would see him rapidly arrested on minor charges, beaten to death in a Russian jail, and quickly and mercilessly dumped in the nearest ice-covered river. And that event would be massively covered by the BBC – unlike the Russian media – and the government and much of society would roundly protest for quite a while. And reported without limit.
    • Morrissey10.1.2
      Which country has provided a safe haven for Ed Snowden?

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