American football---where kickers get no respect.
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Dear Chris Kluwe: When We Want The Punter’s Opinion, We’ll Ask For It
(We Won’t)
(We Won’t)
by Nate Jackson
Earlier this week, Kluwe, the Minnesota Vikings punter, called Peyton
Manning and Drew Brees greedy douchebags on his Twitter feed —
validating, from a source who wears an NFL uniform, the media's
assertion that the lockout is all about greedy players. But by relying
on gossipy football media outlets for facts about CBA negotiations,
then taking to Twitter to blast some of the league's most respected
names, Chris Kluwe made a mistake that ensures he'll be respected even
less than he already is, if that's possible.
Manning and Drew Brees greedy douchebags on his Twitter feed —
validating, from a source who wears an NFL uniform, the media's
assertion that the lockout is all about greedy players. But by relying
on gossipy football media outlets for facts about CBA negotiations,
then taking to Twitter to blast some of the league's most respected
names, Chris Kluwe made a mistake that ensures he'll be respected even
less than he already is, if that's possible.
Punters are at the absolute bottom of the totem pole on an NFL roster,
the very last man. If the team plane crashed on a deserted island,
he'd be dinner as soon as the food ran out. Most of them know this and
understand that it's in their best interest to keep quiet.
the very last man. If the team plane crashed on a deserted island,
he'd be dinner as soon as the food ran out. Most of them know this and
understand that it's in their best interest to keep quiet.
Punters don't get to call other players douchebags. Again, every other
kicker in the league knows this, and keeps it all in perspective.
Kluwe's job, juxtaposed with the duties of his teammates, screams
douchebaggery. And now Kluwe has compounded his lack of status by
exposing himself as a turncoat.
kicker in the league knows this, and keeps it all in perspective.
Kluwe's job, juxtaposed with the duties of his teammates, screams
douchebaggery. And now Kluwe has compounded his lack of status by
exposing himself as a turncoat.
If it is his goal to slide into a post-punter career as a presumptuous
and accusatory football analyst, then he has set himself up quite
nicely, making fast friends with the likes of Mike Florio and Jim
Rome. But if his intent was to offer something resembling leadership,
he has failed miserably.
and accusatory football analyst, then he has set himself up quite
nicely, making fast friends with the likes of Mike Florio and Jim
Rome. But if his intent was to offer something resembling leadership,
he has failed miserably.
In an NFL locker room, there are a handful of players who do the
talking. When something needs to be said, it is one of these men who
will speak up. The rest of the players sit back and let things take
shape, knowing that it is far better to stay silent than to speak
prematurely or out of turn.
talking. When something needs to be said, it is one of these men who
will speak up. The rest of the players sit back and let things take
shape, knowing that it is far better to stay silent than to speak
prematurely or out of turn.
The right to speak is earned, and the vetting process, although
unspoken, is crystal clear. You speak up when your teammates start
looking to you for guidance, not because you talk a lot, or because
you draw cartoons on a locker room white board, but because you have
been tested on the field and proven your worth.
unspoken, is crystal clear. You speak up when your teammates start
looking to you for guidance, not because you talk a lot, or because
you draw cartoons on a locker room white board, but because you have
been tested on the field and proven your worth.
That's why it's been easy for everyone else in the league to keep
quiet about the negotiations during this critical time: This locker
room culture extends across the entire league. In the NFL, there is an
undeniable feeling that it's Us vs. Them. Us is the players. Them is
everyone else: coaches, owners, media, etc. To be oblivious to this
theme is nearly unforgivable.
quiet about the negotiations during this critical time: This locker
room culture extends across the entire league. In the NFL, there is an
undeniable feeling that it's Us vs. Them. Us is the players. Them is
everyone else: coaches, owners, media, etc. To be oblivious to this
theme is nearly unforgivable.
Although Kluwe might have thought he was speaking for his peers, he
most surely wasn't. His peers would hope that Peyton Manning and Drew
Brees and anyone else who finds himself in the rare position of having
leverage against the league would use that leverage wisely and get
every possible cent out of an NFL power structure that they have come
to see as oppressive and exploitative.
most surely wasn't. His peers would hope that Peyton Manning and Drew
Brees and anyone else who finds himself in the rare position of having
leverage against the league would use that leverage wisely and get
every possible cent out of an NFL power structure that they have come
to see as oppressive and exploitative.
It's not surprising that Kluwe could be so out of touch. Punters live
in a small, insulated bubble that no one else cares to enter. They are
not included in the inside jokes and they're not invited to parties.
Their lockers are tucked in a dark corner of the locker room, where
they sit and read crime novels while the rest of the team watches film
and learns a playbook that will be dead in a week, replaced by a new
one.
in a small, insulated bubble that no one else cares to enter. They are
not included in the inside jokes and they're not invited to parties.
Their lockers are tucked in a dark corner of the locker room, where
they sit and read crime novels while the rest of the team watches film
and learns a playbook that will be dead in a week, replaced by a new
one.
The plays never change for a punter. During practice, while the rest
of the team does football things, the punter stands off in space with
his only two friends, the kicker and the snapper, reciting movie
quotes and practicing his golf swing. When his moment finally arrives,
and the coach yells, "Punt team!" he takes his place 15 yards behind
the snapper and, in the span of 10 minutes, executes five or 10 punts.
of the team does football things, the punter stands off in space with
his only two friends, the kicker and the snapper, reciting movie
quotes and practicing his golf swing. When his moment finally arrives,
and the coach yells, "Punt team!" he takes his place 15 yards behind
the snapper and, in the span of 10 minutes, executes five or 10 punts.
Covering punt after punt in practice is grueling work for 10 of the 11
members of the punt team. The punter, however, stands completely
still. Half of his kicks sputter off the side of his foot, sending his
punt team scrambling to stay in their lanes trying to cover the
wayward ball. If they are unable to maintain their lane integrity and
the returner splits them, it's the players on the coverage unit, not
the punter, who get verbally abused by the coach. Coaches — well,
coaches who aren't Tom Coughlin — have long since discovered the
futility of berating a kicker. Other players can handle it, but not
kickers. They tend to shrink, retreating further into the shell of
their insecurities.
members of the punt team. The punter, however, stands completely
still. Half of his kicks sputter off the side of his foot, sending his
punt team scrambling to stay in their lanes trying to cover the
wayward ball. If they are unable to maintain their lane integrity and
the returner splits them, it's the players on the coverage unit, not
the punter, who get verbally abused by the coach. Coaches — well,
coaches who aren't Tom Coughlin — have long since discovered the
futility of berating a kicker. Other players can handle it, but not
kickers. They tend to shrink, retreating further into the shell of
their insecurities.
After punt team is done, the punter mope-jogs to the sideline where he
disappears once more into the protoplasm of his irrelevance. No one
knows he's there. No one would know if he left. And no one would care.
disappears once more into the protoplasm of his irrelevance. No one
knows he's there. No one would know if he left. And no one would care.
For three hours on game day, by stepping on the field, the punter runs
the risk of having to, just maybe, if shit goes really wrong, touch
someone on a football field. But just in case, the NFL has made
special rules to protect him from that menacing possibility. You can't
hit him. You can't block him. You can't touch him, presumably because
he might shatter. He is protected even more than the superstar
quarterbacks he Twitter-fucked, as if the act of kicking a football
were the most sacred motion on a football field.
the risk of having to, just maybe, if shit goes really wrong, touch
someone on a football field. But just in case, the NFL has made
special rules to protect him from that menacing possibility. You can't
hit him. You can't block him. You can't touch him, presumably because
he might shatter. He is protected even more than the superstar
quarterbacks he Twitter-fucked, as if the act of kicking a football
were the most sacred motion on a football field.
He can be seen in a state near total ecstasy if he drops a punt inside
the 5-yard line and has it downed by a hustling teammate, pumping his
fist heroically. Likewise, he can be seen utterly disgusted if that
teammate allows the oblong ball to bounce into the end zone for a
touchback. Both reactions would look stupid to an actual member of the
team if he were paying any attention, which he isn't. No one is.
the 5-yard line and has it downed by a hustling teammate, pumping his
fist heroically. Likewise, he can be seen utterly disgusted if that
teammate allows the oblong ball to bounce into the end zone for a
touchback. Both reactions would look stupid to an actual member of the
team if he were paying any attention, which he isn't. No one is.
But perhaps the moment most indicative of the separation between
punter and football player is when one of his punts is returned for a
touchdown. The punter, the nominal last line of defense, appears to be
an invertebrate on a sheet of ice as he squirms into a position to
make the tackle. His eyes widen and he splays his arms out to the side
as if to embrace a giant teddy bear. The returner, with a quick head
nod, sends the punter blindly lurching to the wrong side, into a Jell-
O-like pile of his own shortcomings. That taken care of, he scoots off
down the sideline for a touchdown.
punter and football player is when one of his punts is returned for a
touchdown. The punter, the nominal last line of defense, appears to be
an invertebrate on a sheet of ice as he squirms into a position to
make the tackle. His eyes widen and he splays his arms out to the side
as if to embrace a giant teddy bear. The returner, with a quick head
nod, sends the punter blindly lurching to the wrong side, into a Jell-
O-like pile of his own shortcomings. That taken care of, he scoots off
down the sideline for a touchdown.
When the team watches the film together the next day, it will not
surprise them at all to see how feeble the punter looks. This will
only sink him deeper into his locker and into his crime novels,
searching harder for a way to convince himself that he is one of the
guys, that when he speaks up, he is speaking for his peers. But he
isn't. And he shouldn't.
surprise them at all to see how feeble the punter looks. This will
only sink him deeper into his locker and into his crime novels,
searching harder for a way to convince himself that he is one of the
guys, that when he speaks up, he is speaking for his peers. But he
isn't. And he shouldn't.
Echoing the media's trite narrative — those selfish players! — is a
fool's errand, and couldn't be any stupider for someone who must keep
the company of real NFL players, who know what it means to sacrifice.
Kluwe's satirical white board drawings and CBA negotiation parodies
were harmless enough, I suppose, but even those echoed the sentiment
of conventional media wisdom. Player wisdom is beyond him. It is true
that greed is the operative byword, but it is not the greed of Manning
or Brees or Mankins. It's Kluwe's greedy use of his roster spot as a
platform from which to shit into cyberspace, knowing that people will
pay attention. Well, now they are.
fool's errand, and couldn't be any stupider for someone who must keep
the company of real NFL players, who know what it means to sacrifice.
Kluwe's satirical white board drawings and CBA negotiation parodies
were harmless enough, I suppose, but even those echoed the sentiment
of conventional media wisdom. Player wisdom is beyond him. It is true
that greed is the operative byword, but it is not the greed of Manning
or Brees or Mankins. It's Kluwe's greedy use of his roster spot as a
platform from which to shit into cyberspace, knowing that people will
pay attention. Well, now they are.
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Nate Jackson played tight end for the Denver Broncos from 2003 to
2008. His writing has also appeared in Slate and The New York Times.
Nate Jackson played tight end for the Denver Broncos from 2003 to
2008. His writing has also appeared in Slate and The New York Times.
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On Jul 22, 1:27 am, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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And this has what to do with rugby union exactly?
UD
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In rugby football, everyone has to be able to kick, as well as run,
jump and tackle. The contrast with American (and Canadian) football is
instructive, as well as interesting.
jump and tackle. The contrast with American (and Canadian) football is
instructive, as well as interesting.
Obviously it's a lesson you haven't quite cottoned onto, however.
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"Mo" <morriss...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 22, 7:34 pm, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
> On Jul 22, 1:27 am, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> <squib snip>
>
> And this has what to do with rugby union exactly?
>
> UD
>In rugby football, everyone has to be able to kick,
I think they forgot to tell Steve Thompson...
>The contrast with American (and Canadian) football is
instructive, as well as interesting.
instructive, as well as interesting.
The lesson is there are as many people outside of the US who care about
"gridiron" as there are Americans who care about rugby.
"gridiron" as there are Americans who care about rugby.
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On Jul 22, 10:14 pm, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> news:33cb0286-00f4-4234-b489-
> On Jul 22, 7:34 pm, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
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> > On Jul 22, 1:27 am, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > <squib snip>
>
> > And this has what to do with rugby union exactly?
>
> > UD
> >In rugby football, everyone has to be able to kick,
>
> I think they forgot to tell Steve Thompson...
> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> news:33cb0286-00f4-4234-b489-
> On Jul 22, 7:34 pm, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 22, 1:27 am, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > <squib snip>
>
> > And this has what to do with rugby union exactly?
>
> > UD
> >In rugby football, everyone has to be able to kick,
>
> I think they forgot to tell Steve Thompson...
That's a real problem with English rugby. New Zealand players are so
much more creative and effective than English players because we just
don't tolerate that kind of limited thinking.
much more creative and effective than English players because we just
don't tolerate that kind of limited thinking.
>
> >The contrast with American (and Canadian) football is
>
> instructive, as well as interesting.
>
> The lesson is there are as many people outside of the US who care about "gridiron"
> >The contrast with American (and Canadian) football is
>
> instructive, as well as interesting.
>
> The lesson is there are as many people outside of the US who care about "gridiron"
What is "gridiron"?
>
> as there are Americans who care about rugby.
> as there are Americans who care about rugby.
Lots of people care about American football, as you well know.
Now, what the hell is "gridiron" again?
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"Mo" <morriss...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
On Jul 22, 10:14 pm, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:33cb0286-00f4-4234-b489-
> On Jul 22, 7:34 pm, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 22, 1:27 am, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > <squib snip>
>
> > And this has what to do with rugby union exactly?
>
> > UD
> >In rugby football, everyone has to be able to kick,
>
> I think they forgot to tell Steve Thompson...
>That's a real problem with English rugby. New Zealand players are so
>much more creative and effective than English players because we just
>don't tolerate that kind of limited thinking.
>much more creative and effective than English players because we just
>don't tolerate that kind of limited thinking.
>
> >The contrast with American (and Canadian) football is
>
> instructive, as well as interesting.
>
> The lesson is there are as many people outside of the US who care about
> "gridiron"
> >The contrast with American (and Canadian) football is
>
> instructive, as well as interesting.
>
> The lesson is there are as many people outside of the US who care about
> "gridiron"
>What is "gridiron"?
>
> as there are Americans who care about rugby.
>Lots of people care about American football, as you well know.
Only in America and Canada, surely? I can honestly say I've never met anyone
who is "into" American football to the extent of watching anything other
than the Superbowl. And most people I know aren't even interested in that.
who is "into" American football to the extent of watching anything other
than the Superbowl. And most people I know aren't even interested in that.
It seems to me to be a sport dreamed up by advertisers, aimed at people with
no attention span and played by people who wouldn't be able to do anything
else.
no attention span and played by people who wouldn't be able to do anything
else.
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On Jul 22, 12:38 pm, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can honestly say I've never met anyone
> who is "into" American football to the extent of watching anything other
> than the Superbowl. And most people I know aren't even interested in that.
>
> I can honestly say I've never met anyone
> who is "into" American football to the extent of watching anything other
> than the Superbowl. And most people I know aren't even interested in that.
>
Unfortunately for us, Martin Johnson is a big NFL fan. If The Fridge
were still available he'd be playing alongside Tindall.
were still available he'd be playing alongside Tindall.
Mike Gooding
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On Jul 22, 6:33 am, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Now, what the hell is "gridiron" again?
Here ya go Mo - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
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The Earl can think of a number of posters on here who would be the
ideal audience for this football sport you talk of, perhaps starting
with those who insist on continuely engaging with Caspar on the RWC
lottery thread.
ideal audience for this football sport you talk of, perhaps starting
with those who insist on continuely engaging with Caspar on the RWC
lottery thread.
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I never thought of it as an umbrella term before but, of course, it
describes CFL as well.
describes CFL as well.
Mithter Bween dislikes some terms for as yet unfathomed reasons. Like
"football" and "care in the community".
"football" and "care in the community".
UD
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"Mike Gooding" <michael...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Could he teach Tindall how to run faster???
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Beware of wikipedia, my friend. It's very good on many things---but
nobody in America calls football "gridiron". That's a slang term for
the field, which is (ludicrously) marked up like a gridiron.
nobody in America calls football "gridiron". That's a slang term for
the field, which is (ludicrously) marked up like a gridiron.
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On Jul 23, 4:50 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
> On Jul 22, 3:31 pm, GHFAN <geoffandr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 22, 6:33 am, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Now, what the hell is "gridiron" again?
>
> > Here ya go Mo -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>
> I never thought of it as an umbrella term before but, of course, it
> describes CFL as well.
> On Jul 22, 3:31 pm, GHFAN <geoffandr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 22, 6:33 am, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Now, what the hell is "gridiron" again?
>
> > Here ya go Mo -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>
> I never thought of it as an umbrella term before but, of course, it
> describes CFL as well.
Nobody in the U.S. or Canada calls football "gridiron". A little more
thought on this, and many other things, would serve you well.
thought on this, and many other things, would serve you well.
>
> Mithter Bween dislikes some terms for as yet unfathomed reasons. Like "football"
> Mithter Bween dislikes some terms for as yet unfathomed reasons. Like "football"
I love football. What are you smoking? Is it legal in Germany?
>
> and "care in the community".
> and "care in the community".
Channeling our fringe-dwelling friend now. That's good, I guess. Kind
of...
of...
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On Jul 22, 9:59 pm, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 23, 4:50 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 22, 3:31 pm, GHFAN <geoffandr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 22, 6:33 am, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Now, what the hell is "gridiron" again?
>
> > > Here ya go Mo -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>
> > I never thought of it as an umbrella term before but, of course, it
> > describes CFL as well.
>
> Nobody in the U.S. or Canada calls football "gridiron". A little more
> thought on this, and many other things, would serve you well.
> On Jul 23, 4:50 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
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> > On Jul 22, 3:31 pm, GHFAN <geoffandr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 22, 6:33 am, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Now, what the hell is "gridiron" again?
>
> > > Here ya go Mo -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>
> > I never thought of it as an umbrella term before but, of course, it
> > describes CFL as well.
>
> Nobody in the U.S. or Canada calls football "gridiron". A little more
> thought on this, and many other things, would serve you well.
You do talk some bollocks. Do you ever watch it on TV? Read
magazines, study the yearbooks? Have you ever been to a game?! Even
the NFL calls it gridiron FFS, e.g. http://www.gridirongreats.org/
Try searching the NFL's site for enlightenment. Or just try OPENING
YOUR FUCKING EYES.
magazines, study the yearbooks? Have you ever been to a game?! Even
the NFL calls it gridiron FFS, e.g. http://www.gridirongreats.org/
Try searching the NFL's site for enlightenment. Or just try OPENING
YOUR FUCKING EYES.
Sheesh. I can't believe I'm replying to such nonsense but sometimes
you just have to destroy misinformation.
you just have to destroy misinformation.
UD
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On Jul 23, 9:47 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
> On Jul 22, 9:59 pm, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 23, 4:50 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 22, 3:31 pm, GHFAN <geoffandr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 22, 6:33 am, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Now, what the hell is "gridiron" again?
>
> > > > Here ya go Mo -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>
> > > I never thought of it as an umbrella term before but, of course, it
> > > describes CFL as well.
>
> > Nobody in the U.S. or Canada calls football "gridiron". A little more
> > thought on this, and many other things, would serve you well.
>
> You do talk some bollocks. Do you ever watch it on TV? Read
> magazines, study the yearbooks? Have you ever been to a game?! Even
> the NFL calls it gridiron FFS, e.g.http://www.gridirongreats.
> On Jul 22, 9:59 pm, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 23, 4:50 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 22, 3:31 pm, GHFAN <geoffandr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 22, 6:33 am, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Now, what the hell is "gridiron" again?
>
> > > > Here ya go Mo -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>
> > > I never thought of it as an umbrella term before but, of course, it
> > > describes CFL as well.
>
> > Nobody in the U.S. or Canada calls football "gridiron". A little more
> > thought on this, and many other things, would serve you well.
>
> You do talk some bollocks. Do you ever watch it on TV? Read
> magazines, study the yearbooks? Have you ever been to a game?! Even
> the NFL calls it gridiron FFS, e.g.http://www.gridirongreats.
The gridiron is the field on which football is played.
>
> Try searching the NFL's site for enlightenment. Or just try OPENING
> YOUR FUCKING EYES.
>
> Sheesh. I can't believe I'm replying to such nonsense but sometimes
> you just have to destroy misinformation.
> Try searching the NFL's site for enlightenment. Or just try OPENING
> YOUR FUCKING EYES.
>
> Sheesh. I can't believe I'm replying to such nonsense but sometimes
> you just have to destroy misinformation.
You can huff and puff in your indignation, my good man, but you have
more than a century of American habit and tradition to undo. Good luck
with that.
more than a century of American habit and tradition to undo. Good luck
with that.
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On Jul 22, 10:59 pm, denver_state_philosophy_d...@
> On Jul 23, 9:47 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 22, 9:59 pm, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 23, 4:50 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 22, 3:31 pm, GHFAN <geoffandr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 22, 6:33 am, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Now, what the hell is "gridiron" again?
>
> > > > > Here ya go Mo -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>
> > > > I never thought of it as an umbrella term before but, of course, it
> > > > describes CFL as well.
>
> > > Nobody in the U.S. or Canada calls football "gridiron". A little more
> > > thought on this, and many other things, would serve you well.
>
> > You do talk some bollocks. Do you ever watch it on TV? Read
> > magazines, study the yearbooks? Have you ever been to a game?! Even
> > the NFL calls it gridiron FFS, e.g.http://www.gridirongreats.
>
> The gridiron is the field on which football is played.
> On Jul 23, 9:47 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 22, 9:59 pm, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 23, 4:50 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 22, 3:31 pm, GHFAN <geoffandr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 22, 6:33 am, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Now, what the hell is "gridiron" again?
>
> > > > > Here ya go Mo -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>
> > > > I never thought of it as an umbrella term before but, of course, it
> > > > describes CFL as well.
>
> > > Nobody in the U.S. or Canada calls football "gridiron". A little more
> > > thought on this, and many other things, would serve you well.
>
> > You do talk some bollocks. Do you ever watch it on TV? Read
> > magazines, study the yearbooks? Have you ever been to a game?! Even
> > the NFL calls it gridiron FFS, e.g.http://www.gridirongreats.
>
> The gridiron is the field on which football is played.
Agreed, but the term has taken on a more generic usage. Anyway, who
fucking cares?!
fucking cares?!
UD
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No it hasn't. "Football" is a word that has a generic usage, but you
will find not a soul in the entire North American continent who calls
American football "gridiron". The gridiron is the field on which a
football game takes place.
will find not a soul in the entire North American continent who calls
American football "gridiron". The gridiron is the field on which a
football game takes place.
You are no doubt perturbed by the fact that a game where hardly anyone
can kick the ball is called "football", and your objection is entirely
valid. Now perhaps you would like to go onto American talk radio and
start arguing with them.
can kick the ball is called "football", and your objection is entirely
valid. Now perhaps you would like to go onto American talk radio and
start arguing with them.
>
> Anyway, who fucking cares?!
> Anyway, who fucking cares?!
Clearly, you do.
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On Jul 23, 10:30 am, Radio Transcripts Ltd
- show quoted text -
No I don't.
UD
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- show quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The Earl is finding this discussion about "gridiron" closer to being
about rugby than the normal fare served up when SSB and his sidekick
mgatua have one on.
about rugby than the normal fare served up when SSB and his sidekick
mgatua have one on.
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 02:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Radio Transcripts Ltd wrote:
>>
>> Agreed, but the term has taken on a more generic usage.
>
> No it hasn't. "Football" is a word that has a generic usage, but you
> will find not a soul in the entire North American continent who calls
> American football "gridiron".
That's odd. In a moment of curiousity I a'went to Google News and searched;
in USA, "gridiron" and Last 7 Days and got 1,394 hits.
in USA, "gridiron" and Last 7 Days and got 1,394 hits.
as
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- show quoted text -
<patiently>Y-y-y-yes, Alvey, but can you find even one example of an
American who calls football "gridiron"? Answer: No, Alvey, you
cannot.</patiently>
American who calls football "gridiron"? Answer: No, Alvey, you
cannot.</patiently>
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- show quoted text -
So why does my search criteria return so many hits then?
as
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- show quoted text -
I'm sure if you asked her, Mrs Uncle Dave would say that you're doing a
good thing talking to a fat homosexual disability pensioner and easing
the torment of the interminable hours of lonely monotony that is his
tedious, pointless existence.
good thing talking to a fat homosexual disability pensioner and easing
the torment of the interminable hours of lonely monotony that is his
tedious, pointless existence.
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On 23/07/2011 5:30 PM, Radio Transcripts Ltd wrote:
> No it hasn't. "Football" is a word that has a generic usage,
Aren't you now saying that the prevalent game in North America is rugby,
Mowithey?
Mowithey?
> but you
> will find not a soul in the entire North American continent who calls
> American football "gridiron".
> will find not a soul in the entire North American continent who calls
> American football "gridiron".
Really? You'd better write and tell the folks at that well known Chinese
internet site, wikipedia, just how wrong their "glossary of football" is:
internet site, wikipedia, just how wrong their "glossary of football" is:
"gridiron
1. The field of play; a football field
2. The game itself, now often used to distinguish among
football (soccer), rugby union, rugby league, and American football"
2. The game itself, now often used to distinguish among
football (soccer), rugby union, rugby league, and American football"
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Two questions here Mowithey -- how long did you live in the USA, and how
did you fit through the door of the plane?
did you fit through the door of the plane?
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On 24/07/2011 8:34 AM, Morrissey Breen wrote:
> On Jul 24, 9:54 am, alvey<al...@atattat.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 02:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Radio Transcripts Ltd wrote:
>>
>>>> Agreed, but the term has taken on a more generic usage.
>>
>>> No it hasn't. "Football" is a word that has a generic usage, but you
>>> will find not a soul in the entire North American continent who calls
>>> American football "gridiron".
>>
>> That's odd. In a moment of curiousity I a'went to Google News and searched;
>> in USA, "gridiron" and Last 7 Days and got 1,394 hits.
>>
>> as
>
> <patiently>Y-y-y-yes, Alvey, but can you find even one example of an
> American who calls football "gridiron"? Answer: No, Alvey, you
> cannot.</patiently>
> On Jul 24, 9:54 am, alvey<al...@atattat.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 02:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Radio Transcripts Ltd wrote:
>>
>>>> Agreed, but the term has taken on a more generic usage.
>>
>>> No it hasn't. "Football" is a word that has a generic usage, but you
>>> will find not a soul in the entire North American continent who calls
>>> American football "gridiron".
>>
>> That's odd. In a moment of curiousity I a'went to Google News and searched;
>> in USA, "gridiron" and Last 7 Days and got 1,394 hits.
>>
>> as
>
> <patiently>Y-y-y-yes, Alvey, but can you find even one example of an
> American who calls football "gridiron"? Answer: No, Alvey, you
> cannot.</patiently>
Whatever the fuck you call this intermittent scrambling by doughnut
eaters and hip hop artists one things for sure, none of the cunts know
how to tackle
eaters and hip hop artists one things for sure, none of the cunts know
how to tackle
Viper
|
On Jul 22, 12:27 pm, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Chris Kluwe: When We Want The Punter’s Opinion, We’ll Ask For It
> (We Won’t)
>
> by Nate Jackson
>
> http://deadspin.com/5823549/
>
> Earlier this week, Kluwe, the Minnesota Vikings punter, called Peyton
> Manning and Drew Brees greedy douchebags on his Twitter feed —
> validating, from a source who wears an NFL uniform, the media's
> assertion that the lockout is all about greedy players. But by relying
> on gossipy football media outlets for facts about CBA negotiations,
> then taking to Twitter to blast some of the league's most respected
> names, Chris Kluwe made a mistake that ensures he'll be respected even
> less than he already is, if that's possible.
>
> Punters are at the absolute bottom of the totem pole on an NFL roster,
> the very last man. If the team plane crashed on a deserted island,
> he'd be dinner as soon as the food ran out. Most of them know this and
> understand that it's in their best interest to keep quiet.
>
> Punters don't get to call other players douchebags. Again, every other
> kicker in the league knows this, and keeps it all in perspective.
> Kluwe's job, juxtaposed with the duties of his teammates, screams
> douchebaggery. And now Kluwe has compounded his lack of status by
> exposing himself as a turncoat.
>
> If it is his goal to slide into a post-punter career as a presumptuous
> and accusatory football analyst, then he has set himself up quite
> nicely, making fast friends with the likes of Mike Florio and Jim
> Rome. But if his intent was to offer something resembling leadership,
> he has failed miserably.
>
> In an NFL locker room, there are a handful of players who do the
> talking. When something needs to be said, it is one of these men who
> will speak up. The rest of the players sit back and let things take
> shape, knowing that it is far better to stay silent than to speak
> prematurely or out of turn.
>
> The right to speak is earned, and the vetting process, although
> unspoken, is crystal clear. You speak up when your teammates start
> looking to you for guidance, not because you talk a lot, or because
> you draw cartoons on a locker room white board, but because you have
> been tested on the field and proven your worth.
>
> That's why it's been easy for everyone else in the league to keep
> quiet about the negotiations during this critical time: This locker
> room culture extends across the entire league. In the NFL, there is an
> undeniable feeling that it's Us vs. Them. Us is the players. Them is
> everyone else: coaches, owners, media, etc. To be oblivious to this
> theme is nearly unforgivable.
>
> Although Kluwe might have thought he was speaking for his peers, he
> most surely wasn't. His peers would hope that Peyton Manning and Drew
> Brees and anyone else who finds himself in the rare position of having
> leverage against the league would use that leverage wisely and get
> every possible cent out of an NFL power structure that they have come
> to see as oppressive and exploitative.
>
> It's not surprising that Kluwe could be so out of touch. Punters live
> in a small, insulated bubble that no one else cares to enter. They are
> not included in the inside jokes and they're not invited to parties.
> Their lockers are tucked in a dark corner of the locker room, where
> they sit and read crime novels while the rest of the team watches film
> and learns a playbook that will be dead in a week, replaced by a new
> one.
>
> The plays never change for a punter. During practice, while the rest
> of the team does football things, the punter stands off in space with
> his only two friends, the kicker and the snapper, reciting movie
> quotes and practicing his golf swing. When his moment finally arrives,
> and the coach yells, "Punt team!" he takes his place 15 yards behind
> the snapper and, in the span of 10 minutes, executes five or 10 punts.
>
> Covering punt after punt in practice is grueling work for 10 of the 11
> members of the punt team. The punter, however, stands completely
> still. Half of his kicks sputter off the side of his foot, sending his
> punt team scrambling to stay in their lanes trying to cover the
> wayward ball. If they are unable to maintain their lane integrity and
> the returner splits them, it's the players on the coverage unit, not
> the punter, who get verbally abused by the coach. Coaches — well,
> coaches who aren't Tom Coughlin — have long since discovered the
> futility of berating a kicker. Other players can handle it, but not
> kickers. They tend to shrink, retreating further into the shell of
> their insecurities.
>
> After punt team is done, the punter mope-jogs to the sideline where he
> disappears once more into the protoplasm of his irrelevance. No one
> knows he's there. No one would know if he left. And no one would care.
>
> For three hours on game day, by stepping on the field, the punter runs
> the risk of having to, just maybe, if shit goes really wrong, touch
> someone on a football field. But just in case, the NFL has made
> special rules to protect him from that menacing possibility. You can't
> hit him. You can't block him. You can't touch him, presumably because
> he might shatter. He is protected even more than the superstar
> quarterbacks he Twitter-fucked, as if the act of kicking a football
> were the most sacred motion on a football field.
>
> He can be seen in a state near total ecstasy if he drops a punt inside
> the 5-yard line and has it downed by a hustling teammate, pumping his
> fist heroically. Likewise, he can be seen utterly disgusted if that
> teammate allows the oblong ball to bounce into the end zone for a
> touchback. Both reactions would look stupid to an actual member of the
> team if he were paying any attention, which he isn't. No one is.
>
> But perhaps the moment most indicative of the separation between
> punter and football player is when one of his punts is returned for a
> touchdown. The punter, the nominal last line of defense, appears to be
> an invertebrate on a sheet of ice as he squirms into a position to
> make the tackle. His eyes widen and he splays his arms out to the side
> as if to embrace a giant teddy bear. The returner, with a quick head
> nod, sends the punter blindly lurching to the wrong side, into a Jell-
> O-like pile of his own shortcomings. That taken care of, he scoots off
> down the sideline for a touchdown.
>
> When the team watches the film together the next day, it will not
> surprise them at all to see how feeble the punter looks. This will
> only sink him deeper into his locker and into his crime novels,
> searching harder for a way to convince himself that he is one of the
> guys, that when he speaks up, he is speaking for his peers. But he
> isn't. And he shouldn't.
>
> Echoing the media's trite narrative — those selfish players! — is a
> fool's errand, and couldn't be any stupider for someone who must keep
> the company of real NFL players, who know what it means to sacrifice.
> Kluwe's satirical white board drawings and CBA negotiation parodies
> were harmless enough, I suppose, but even those echoed the sentiment
> of conventional media wisdom. Player wisdom is beyond him. It is true
> that greed is the operative byword, but it is not the greed of Manning
> or Brees or Mankins. It's Kluwe's greedy use of his roster spot as a
> platform from which to shit into cyberspace, knowing that people will
> pay attention. Well, now they are.
>
> Full size
> Nate Jackson played tight end for the Denver Broncos from 2003 to
> 2008. His writing has also appeared in Slate and The New York Times.
> Dear Chris Kluwe: When We Want The Punter’s Opinion, We’ll Ask For It
> (We Won’t)
>
> by Nate Jackson
>
> http://deadspin.com/5823549/
>
> Earlier this week, Kluwe, the Minnesota Vikings punter, called Peyton
> Manning and Drew Brees greedy douchebags on his Twitter feed —
> validating, from a source who wears an NFL uniform, the media's
> assertion that the lockout is all about greedy players. But by relying
> on gossipy football media outlets for facts about CBA negotiations,
> then taking to Twitter to blast some of the league's most respected
> names, Chris Kluwe made a mistake that ensures he'll be respected even
> less than he already is, if that's possible.
>
> Punters are at the absolute bottom of the totem pole on an NFL roster,
> the very last man. If the team plane crashed on a deserted island,
> he'd be dinner as soon as the food ran out. Most of them know this and
> understand that it's in their best interest to keep quiet.
>
> Punters don't get to call other players douchebags. Again, every other
> kicker in the league knows this, and keeps it all in perspective.
> Kluwe's job, juxtaposed with the duties of his teammates, screams
> douchebaggery. And now Kluwe has compounded his lack of status by
> exposing himself as a turncoat.
>
> If it is his goal to slide into a post-punter career as a presumptuous
> and accusatory football analyst, then he has set himself up quite
> nicely, making fast friends with the likes of Mike Florio and Jim
> Rome. But if his intent was to offer something resembling leadership,
> he has failed miserably.
>
> In an NFL locker room, there are a handful of players who do the
> talking. When something needs to be said, it is one of these men who
> will speak up. The rest of the players sit back and let things take
> shape, knowing that it is far better to stay silent than to speak
> prematurely or out of turn.
>
> The right to speak is earned, and the vetting process, although
> unspoken, is crystal clear. You speak up when your teammates start
> looking to you for guidance, not because you talk a lot, or because
> you draw cartoons on a locker room white board, but because you have
> been tested on the field and proven your worth.
>
> That's why it's been easy for everyone else in the league to keep
> quiet about the negotiations during this critical time: This locker
> room culture extends across the entire league. In the NFL, there is an
> undeniable feeling that it's Us vs. Them. Us is the players. Them is
> everyone else: coaches, owners, media, etc. To be oblivious to this
> theme is nearly unforgivable.
>
> Although Kluwe might have thought he was speaking for his peers, he
> most surely wasn't. His peers would hope that Peyton Manning and Drew
> Brees and anyone else who finds himself in the rare position of having
> leverage against the league would use that leverage wisely and get
> every possible cent out of an NFL power structure that they have come
> to see as oppressive and exploitative.
>
> It's not surprising that Kluwe could be so out of touch. Punters live
> in a small, insulated bubble that no one else cares to enter. They are
> not included in the inside jokes and they're not invited to parties.
> Their lockers are tucked in a dark corner of the locker room, where
> they sit and read crime novels while the rest of the team watches film
> and learns a playbook that will be dead in a week, replaced by a new
> one.
>
> The plays never change for a punter. During practice, while the rest
> of the team does football things, the punter stands off in space with
> his only two friends, the kicker and the snapper, reciting movie
> quotes and practicing his golf swing. When his moment finally arrives,
> and the coach yells, "Punt team!" he takes his place 15 yards behind
> the snapper and, in the span of 10 minutes, executes five or 10 punts.
>
> Covering punt after punt in practice is grueling work for 10 of the 11
> members of the punt team. The punter, however, stands completely
> still. Half of his kicks sputter off the side of his foot, sending his
> punt team scrambling to stay in their lanes trying to cover the
> wayward ball. If they are unable to maintain their lane integrity and
> the returner splits them, it's the players on the coverage unit, not
> the punter, who get verbally abused by the coach. Coaches — well,
> coaches who aren't Tom Coughlin — have long since discovered the
> futility of berating a kicker. Other players can handle it, but not
> kickers. They tend to shrink, retreating further into the shell of
> their insecurities.
>
> After punt team is done, the punter mope-jogs to the sideline where he
> disappears once more into the protoplasm of his irrelevance. No one
> knows he's there. No one would know if he left. And no one would care.
>
> For three hours on game day, by stepping on the field, the punter runs
> the risk of having to, just maybe, if shit goes really wrong, touch
> someone on a football field. But just in case, the NFL has made
> special rules to protect him from that menacing possibility. You can't
> hit him. You can't block him. You can't touch him, presumably because
> he might shatter. He is protected even more than the superstar
> quarterbacks he Twitter-fucked, as if the act of kicking a football
> were the most sacred motion on a football field.
>
> He can be seen in a state near total ecstasy if he drops a punt inside
> the 5-yard line and has it downed by a hustling teammate, pumping his
> fist heroically. Likewise, he can be seen utterly disgusted if that
> teammate allows the oblong ball to bounce into the end zone for a
> touchback. Both reactions would look stupid to an actual member of the
> team if he were paying any attention, which he isn't. No one is.
>
> But perhaps the moment most indicative of the separation between
> punter and football player is when one of his punts is returned for a
> touchdown. The punter, the nominal last line of defense, appears to be
> an invertebrate on a sheet of ice as he squirms into a position to
> make the tackle. His eyes widen and he splays his arms out to the side
> as if to embrace a giant teddy bear. The returner, with a quick head
> nod, sends the punter blindly lurching to the wrong side, into a Jell-
> O-like pile of his own shortcomings. That taken care of, he scoots off
> down the sideline for a touchdown.
>
> When the team watches the film together the next day, it will not
> surprise them at all to see how feeble the punter looks. This will
> only sink him deeper into his locker and into his crime novels,
> searching harder for a way to convince himself that he is one of the
> guys, that when he speaks up, he is speaking for his peers. But he
> isn't. And he shouldn't.
>
> Echoing the media's trite narrative — those selfish players! — is a
> fool's errand, and couldn't be any stupider for someone who must keep
> the company of real NFL players, who know what it means to sacrifice.
> Kluwe's satirical white board drawings and CBA negotiation parodies
> were harmless enough, I suppose, but even those echoed the sentiment
> of conventional media wisdom. Player wisdom is beyond him. It is true
> that greed is the operative byword, but it is not the greed of Manning
> or Brees or Mankins. It's Kluwe's greedy use of his roster spot as a
> platform from which to shit into cyberspace, knowing that people will
> pay attention. Well, now they are.
>
> Full size
> Nate Jackson played tight end for the Denver Broncos from 2003 to
> 2008. His writing has also appeared in Slate and The New York Times.
An interesting stat I read on the weekend (I cant remember where) was
a study they did in Americian Samoa. Appearently a kid with Samoan
parents has a 56X better chance of playing NFL than those with
American parents.
a study they did in Americian Samoa. Appearently a kid with Samoan
parents has a 56X better chance of playing NFL than those with
American parents.
Stex
|
On Jul 22, 7:42 pm, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 22, 7:34 pm, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 22, 1:27 am, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > <squib snip>
>
> > And this has what to do with rugby union exactly?
>
> > UD
>
> In rugby football, everyone has to be able to kick, as well as run,
> jump and tackle. The contrast with American (and Canadian) football is
> instructive, as well as interesting.
>
> Obviously it's a lesson you haven't quite cottoned onto, however.
> On Jul 22, 7:34 pm, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 22, 1:27 am, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > <squib snip>
>
> > And this has what to do with rugby union exactly?
>
> > UD
>
> In rugby football, everyone has to be able to kick, as well as run,
> jump and tackle. The contrast with American (and Canadian) football is
> instructive, as well as interesting.
>
> Obviously it's a lesson you haven't quite cottoned onto, however.
In rugby, front row forwards are not required to have kicking skills,
numb-nuts.
numb-nuts.
Poor Mowithey. In his life, he's not even a punter.
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On Jul 24, 10:34 am, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 24, 9:54 am, alvey <al...@atattat.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 02:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Radio Transcripts Ltd wrote:
>
> > >> Agreed, but the term has taken on a more generic usage.
>
> > > No it hasn't. "Football" is a word that has a generic usage, but you
> > > will find not a soul in the entire North American continent who calls
> > > American football "gridiron".
>
> > That's odd. In a moment of curiousity I a'went to Google News and searched;
> > in USA, "gridiron" and Last 7 Days and got 1,394 hits.
>
> > as
>
> <patiently>Y-y-y-yes, Alvey, but can you find even one example of an
> American who calls football "gridiron"? Answer: No, Alvey, you
> cannot.</patiently>
> On Jul 24, 9:54 am, alvey <al...@atattat.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 02:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Radio Transcripts Ltd wrote:
>
> > >> Agreed, but the term has taken on a more generic usage.
>
> > > No it hasn't. "Football" is a word that has a generic usage, but you
> > > will find not a soul in the entire North American continent who calls
> > > American football "gridiron".
>
> > That's odd. In a moment of curiousity I a'went to Google News and searched;
> > in USA, "gridiron" and Last 7 Days and got 1,394 hits.
>
> > as
>
> <patiently>Y-y-y-yes, Alvey, but can you find even one example of an
> American who calls football "gridiron"? Answer: No, Alvey, you
> cannot.</patiently>
But Mowithey, in this very thread you assured us that "nobody" in the
USA or Canada calls American football gridiron.
USA or Canada calls American football gridiron.
Could it be that Mowithey simply doesn't have a fucking clue?
|
On Jul 22, 10:33 pm, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 22, 10:14 pm, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:33cb0286-00f4-4234-b489-
>
> That's a real problem with English rugby. New Zealand players are so
> much more creative and effective than English players because we just
> don't tolerate that kind of limited thinking.
>
>
>
> > >The contrast with American (and Canadian) football is
>
> > instructive, as well as interesting.
>
> > The lesson is there are as many people outside of the US who care about "gridiron"
>
> What is "gridiron"?
>
>
>
> > as there are Americans who care about rugby.
>
> Lots of people care about American football, as you well know.
>
> Now, what the hell is "gridiron" again?
> On Jul 22, 10:14 pm, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Mo" <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:33cb0286-00f4-4234-b489-
> > > On Jul 22, 1:27 am, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > <squib snip>
>
> > > And this has what to do with rugby union exactly?
>
> > > UD
> > >In rugby football, everyone has to be able to kick,
>
> > I think they forgot to tell Steve Thompson...>
> > > <squib snip>
>
> > > And this has what to do with rugby union exactly?
>
> > > UD
> > >In rugby football, everyone has to be able to kick,
>
>
> That's a real problem with English rugby. New Zealand players are so
> much more creative and effective than English players because we just
> don't tolerate that kind of limited thinking.
>
>
>
> > >The contrast with American (and Canadian) football is
>
> > instructive, as well as interesting.
>
>
> What is "gridiron"?
>
>
>
> > as there are Americans who care about rugby.
>
> Lots of people care about American football, as you well know.
>
> Now, what the hell is "gridiron" again?
Here you go Mowithey, you poor, sad, ignorant little dim-bulb:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
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On Jul 23, 9:30 pm, Radio Transcripts Ltd
<daisycutterspo...@lycos.com> wrote:
> On Jul 23, 9:10 pm, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
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> > On Jul 22, 10:59 pm, denver_state_philosophy_d...@
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> > > On Jul 23, 9:47 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 22, 9:59 pm, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On Jul 23, 4:50 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
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> > > > > > On Jul 22, 3:31 pm, GHFAN <geoffandr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On Jul 22, 6:33 am, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > Now, what the hell is "gridiron" again?
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> > > > > > > Here ya go Mo -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
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> > > > > > I never thought of it as an umbrella term before but, of course, it
> > > > > > describes CFL as well.
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> > > > > Nobody in the U.S. or Canada calls football "gridiron". A little more
> > > > > thought on this, and many other things, would serve you well.
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> > > > You do talk some bollocks. Do you ever watch it on TV? Read
> > > > magazines, study the yearbooks? Have you ever been to a game?! Even
> > > > the NFL calls it gridiron FFS, e.g.http://www.gridirongreats.
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> > > The gridiron is the field on which football is played.
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> > Agreed, but the term has taken on a more generic usage.
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> No it hasn't. "Football" is a word that has a generic usage, but you
> will find not a soul in the entire North American continent who calls
> American football "gridiron". The gridiron is the field on which a
> football game takes place.
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> You are no doubt perturbed by the fact that a game where hardly anyone
> can kick the ball is called "football", and your objection is entirely
> valid. Now perhaps you would like to go onto American talk radio and
> start arguing with them.
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> > Anyway, who fucking cares?!
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> Clearly, you do.
<daisycutterspo...@lycos.com> wrote:
> On Jul 23, 9:10 pm, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
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> > On Jul 22, 10:59 pm, denver_state_philosophy_d...@
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> > > On Jul 23, 9:47 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 22, 9:59 pm, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On Jul 23, 4:50 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
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> > > > > > On Jul 22, 3:31 pm, GHFAN <geoffandr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On Jul 22, 6:33 am, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > Now, what the hell is "gridiron" again?
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> > > > > > I never thought of it as an umbrella term before but, of course, it
> > > > > > describes CFL as well.
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> > > > > Nobody in the U.S. or Canada calls football "gridiron". A little more
> > > > > thought on this, and many other things, would serve you well.
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> > > > You do talk some bollocks. Do you ever watch it on TV? Read
> > > > magazines, study the yearbooks? Have you ever been to a game?! Even
> > > > the NFL calls it gridiron FFS, e.g.http://www.gridirongreats.
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> > > The gridiron is the field on which football is played.
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> > Agreed, but the term has taken on a more generic usage.
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> No it hasn't. "Football" is a word that has a generic usage, but you
> will find not a soul in the entire North American continent who calls
> football game takes place.
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> You are no doubt perturbed by the fact that a game where hardly anyone
> can kick the ball is called "football", and your objection is entirely
> valid. Now perhaps you would like to go onto American talk radio and
> start arguing with them.
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> > Anyway, who fucking cares?!
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> Clearly, you do.
Hello again, Mowithey! Keep those sockies coming, and take care not to
post from the wrong account, lest the most callow of newbies spot you!
post from the wrong account, lest the most callow of newbies spot you!
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This is unfortunate. On Jul 26, 9:18 pm, one "JohnO"
<johno1...@gmail.com> makes a public spectacle of himself:
> On Jul 26, 9:06 pm, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 26, 8:41 pm, JohnO <johno1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 26, 8:05 pm, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 25, 11:10 am, JohnO <johno1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On Jul 22, 7:42 pm, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > On Jul 22, 7:34 pm, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On Jul 22, 1:27 am, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > <squib snip>
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> > > > > > > And this has what to do with rugby union exactly?
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> > > > > > > UD
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> > > > > > In rugby football, everyone has to be able to kick, as well as run,
> > > > > > jump and tackle. The contrast with American (and Canadian) football is
> > > > > > instructive, as well as interesting.
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> > > > > > Obviously it's a lesson you haven't quite cottoned onto, however.
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> > > > > In rugby, front row forwards are not required to have kicking skills,
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> > > > Errr, yes they do. Watch the following clip, JohnO---you'll see the
> > > > whole of this splendid try is based on a beautiful kick by a player
> > > > that people like you would say is "not required to have kicking
> > > > skills"....http://www.youtube.
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> > > Are you this stupid, Mowithey? None of that means the player is
> > > required to be able to kick.
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> > He kicked the ball with perfect accuracy, under intense pressure in
> > the white-hot atmosphere of a Super 15 match.
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> Luck.
<johno1...@gmail.com> makes a public spectacle of himself:
> On Jul 26, 9:06 pm, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 26, 8:41 pm, JohnO <johno1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 26, 8:05 pm, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 25, 11:10 am, JohnO <johno1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On Jul 22, 7:42 pm, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > On Jul 22, 7:34 pm, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On Jul 22, 1:27 am, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > <squib snip>
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> > > > > > > And this has what to do with rugby union exactly?
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> > > > > > > UD
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> > > > > > In rugby football, everyone has to be able to kick, as well as run,
> > > > > > jump and tackle. The contrast with American (and Canadian) football is
> > > > > > instructive, as well as interesting.
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> > > > > > Obviously it's a lesson you haven't quite cottoned onto, however.
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> > > > > In rugby, front row forwards are not required to have kicking skills,
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> > > > Errr, yes they do. Watch the following clip, JohnO---you'll see the
> > > > whole of this splendid try is based on a beautiful kick by a player
> > > > that people like you would say is "not required to have kicking
> > > > skills"....http://www.youtube.
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> > > Are you this stupid, Mowithey? None of that means the player is
> > > required to be able to kick.
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> > He kicked the ball with perfect accuracy, under intense pressure in
> > the white-hot atmosphere of a Super 15 match.
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> Luck.
"Luck"! We have a genius on our hands!
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> > YOU wouldn't be able to
> > kick under those conditions, JohnO, but that guy was. That's because
> > he PRACTISES kicking, like all the rest of his Queensland team-mates.
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> No. He practices lineout jumping, kick-off reception, scrums, ruck
> cleanouts, tackling... There's no time or point in practicing what he
> doesn't need.
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> > Like every rugby team everywhere---except in some parts of England,
> > apparently, according to one of the sadder regulars on this forum.
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> > > When was the last time you saw Mealamu kick?
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> > You don't watch many games, obviously.
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> Can't answer, eh? And no, Mealamu doesn't practice kicking. He doesn't
> practice drop kicking or place kicking either. Funny that.
> > YOU wouldn't be able to
> > kick under those conditions, JohnO, but that guy was. That's because
> > he PRACTISES kicking, like all the rest of his Queensland team-mates.
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> No. He practices lineout jumping, kick-off reception, scrums, ruck
> cleanouts, tackling... There's no time or point in practicing what he
> doesn't need.
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> > Like every rugby team everywhere---except in some parts of England,
> > apparently, according to one of the sadder regulars on this forum.
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> > > When was the last time you saw Mealamu kick?
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> > You don't watch many games, obviously.
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> Can't answer, eh? And no, Mealamu doesn't practice kicking. He doesn't
> practice drop kicking or place kicking either. Funny that.
How would you know that, sir? Methinks you're making it all up.
A word to the wise, sir: when one is way out of one's depth, it is
always a good idea to stop digging.
always a good idea to stop digging.
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I wouldn't recommend it from second rows either. The ball takes to
long to fall to the foot making charge downs easy.
long to fall to the foot making charge downs easy.
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> Errr, yes they do. Watch the following clip, JohnO---you'll see the
> whole of this splendid try is based on a beautiful kick by a player
> that people like you would say is "not required to have kicking
> skills"....http://www.youtube.
> whole of this splendid try is based on a beautiful kick by a player
> that people like you would say is "not required to have kicking
> skills"....http://www.youtube.
One mans beautiful kick is another mans lucky hoof obviously. He
hoofed that in a panic because it was either that or get taken into
touch with the ball, 10m out from his own line.
hoofed that in a panic because it was either that or get taken into
touch with the ball, 10m out from his own line.
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Your attempt at humour is a failure, but you do unwittingly underline
a point made earlier: that English rugby culture is limited, and its
players and supporters lack imagination.
a point made earlier: that English rugby culture is limited, and its
players and supporters lack imagination.
There could be no clearer illustration of the gulf in ability and
creativity between England and New Zealand rugby.
creativity between England and New Zealand rugby.
I note that the same witless "lucky" claim was made by English soccer
supporters after Ronaldinho crushed England in the 2002 World Cup.
supporters after Ronaldinho crushed England in the 2002 World Cup.
Still, as anyone watching that chump William Hague over the last 24
hours will realize, there is no limit to English complacency---however
unjustified and unearned it may be.
hours will realize, there is no limit to English complacency---however
unjustified and unearned it may be.
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Congratulations genius. That's why it's called football---you have to
KICK the ball. Not "hoof" it, by the way---kick it.
KICK the ball. Not "hoof" it, by the way---kick it.
Would you mind not braying your inane public school slang on this
forum?
forum?
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> 10m out from his own line.
> 10m out from his own line.
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Would you care to enlighten us talentless dullards why your hilariously
inept sic is employed on this occasion?
inept sic is employed on this occasion?
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On Jul 27, 7:53 pm, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 28, 12:53 am, simon s-b <baitt...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 25, 12:10 am, JohnO <johno1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 22, 7:42 pm, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 22, 7:34 pm, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
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> > > > > On Jul 22, 1:27 am, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > <squib snip>
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> > > > > And this has what to do with rugby union exactly?
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> > > > > UD
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> > > > In rugby football, everyone has to be able to kick, as well as run,
> > > > jump and tackle. The contrast with American (and Canadian) football is
> > > > instructive, as well as interesting.
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> > > > Obviously it's a lesson you haven't quite cottoned onto, however.
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> > > In rugby, front row forwards are not required to have kicking skills,
> > > numb-nuts.
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> > > Poor Mowithey. In his life, he's not even a punter.
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> > I wouldn't recommend it from second rows either. The ball takes to
> > long to fall to the foot making charge downs easy.
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> Your attempt at humour is a failure, but you do unwittingly underline
> a point made earlier: that English rugby culture is limited, and its
> players and supporters lack imagination.
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> On Jul 28, 12:53 am, simon s-b <baitt...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 25, 12:10 am, JohnO <johno1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 22, 7:42 pm, Mo <morrisseybr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 22, 7:34 pm, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
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> > > > > On Jul 22, 1:27 am, Morrissey Breen <morrisseybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > <squib snip>
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> > > > > And this has what to do with rugby union exactly?
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> > > > > UD
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> > > > In rugby football, everyone has to be able to kick, as well as run,
> > > > jump and tackle. The contrast with American (and Canadian) football is
> > > > instructive, as well as interesting.
>
> > > > Obviously it's a lesson you haven't quite cottoned onto, however.
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> > > In rugby, front row forwards are not required to have kicking skills,
> > > numb-nuts.
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> > > Poor Mowithey. In his life, he's not even a punter.
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> > I wouldn't recommend it from second rows either. The ball takes to
> > long to fall to the foot making charge downs easy.
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> Your attempt at humour is a failure, but you do unwittingly underline
> a point made earlier: that English rugby culture is limited, and its
> players and supporters lack imagination.
>
And you display you've never played the game. Just because a second
row hoofs (intentional use of the word rather than kicks, because it
was exactly that!) away in panic, it does not follow that all second
rows should be able to kick. It's one of the most flimsy arguments
I've seen here.
row hoofs (intentional use of the word rather than kicks, because it
was exactly that!) away in panic, it does not follow that all second
rows should be able to kick. It's one of the most flimsy arguments
I've seen here.
> There could be no clearer illustration of the gulf in ability and
> creativity between England and New Zealand rugby.
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> creativity between England and New Zealand rugby.
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Not watched England lately have you.
> I note that the same witless "lucky" claim was made by English soccer
> supporters after Ronaldinho crushed England in the 2002 World Cup.
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> supporters after Ronaldinho crushed England in the 2002 World Cup.
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As relevant as usual.
> Still, as anyone watching that chump William Hague over the last 24
> hours will realize, there is no limit to English complacency---however
> unjustified and unearned it may be.
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No it wasn't, it was a kick. Maybe in the mind of some desperate upper-
class English rugby twit, "hoofing" is what you do to a football. But
to anyone with an eye, that ball was kicked, beautifully.
class English rugby twit, "hoofing" is what you do to a football. But
to anyone with an eye, that ball was kicked, beautifully.
Your misuse of language in this way is more than imprecise, it is
designed to degrade and mock not only the player but the game itself.
With "supporters" like you, the game of rugby needs no detractors.
designed to degrade and mock not only the player but the game itself.
With "supporters" like you, the game of rugby needs no detractors.
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> away in panic,
> away in panic,
What on earth are you on about, saying he was in "panic"? The game was
played at the usual intensity of a Super 15 match, and he was reacting
with the usual speed and grace of a Super 15 player. Just because YOU
lack the vision and the skill to execute such a kick doesn't mean a
boy raised in Queensland thinks the same.
played at the usual intensity of a Super 15 match, and he was reacting
with the usual speed and grace of a Super 15 player. Just because YOU
lack the vision and the skill to execute such a kick doesn't mean a
boy raised in Queensland thinks the same.
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> it does not follow that all second rows should be able to kick.
> it does not follow that all second rows should be able to kick.
Why not? Because of your demeaning and reductive theory on how the
game should be played?
game should be played?
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> It's one of the most flimsy arguments
> I've seen here.
> It's one of the most flimsy arguments
> I've seen here.
Really? To point out that all players should be able to kick when they
need to (as in this case) is a "flimsy argument" now? There is no
argument about it---it's a matter of incontrovertible fact. But you go
on teaching boys not to kick the ball if you want. English rugby will
only be the richer because of visionaries such as yourself.
need to (as in this case) is a "flimsy argument" now? There is no
argument about it---it's a matter of incontrovertible fact. But you go
on teaching boys not to kick the ball if you want. English rugby will
only be the richer because of visionaries such as yourself.
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> > There could be no clearer illustration of the gulf in ability and
> > creativity between England and New Zealand rugby.
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> Not watched England lately have you.
> > There could be no clearer illustration of the gulf in ability and
> > creativity between England and New Zealand rugby.
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> Not watched England lately have you.
Yes I have. The gap in basic skills between a New Zealand player and
an English player is considerable. That's due to the much more open
and creative approach to the game here. Our coaches and supporters
simply don't tolerate such idiotic and limiting statements as you have
made.
an English player is considerable. That's due to the much more open
and creative approach to the game here. Our coaches and supporters
simply don't tolerate such idiotic and limiting statements as you have
made.
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> > I note that the same witless "lucky" claim was made by English soccer
> > supporters after Ronaldinho crushed England in the 2002 World Cup.
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> As relevant as usual.
> > I note that the same witless "lucky" claim was made by English soccer
> > supporters after Ronaldinho crushed England in the 2002 World Cup.
>
> As relevant as usual.
It's absolutely relevant. Engish tabloids (including the dear old News
of the World) and English television commentators talked their asinine
heads off about how "lucky" Ronaldinho's goal was. Your insulting and
wrong comment about an Australian player "hoofing" the ball is just
more of the same cast-iron complacency.
of the World) and English television commentators talked their asinine
heads off about how "lucky" Ronaldinho's goal was. Your insulting and
wrong comment about an Australian player "hoofing" the ball is just
more of the same cast-iron complacency.
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> > Still, as anyone watching that chump William Hague over the last 24
> > hours will realize, there is no limit to English complacency---however
> > unjustified and unearned it may be.
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> I always thought MG was the biggest knob-jockey here. I'm shocked I
> was wrong.
> > Still, as anyone watching that chump William Hague over the last 24
> > hours will realize, there is no limit to English complacency---however
> > unjustified and unearned it may be.
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> I always thought MG was the biggest knob-jockey here. I'm shocked I
> was wrong.
A word to the wise: personal abuse, especially when delivered with an
offhand sneer perfected in some minor public school, might work well
when "cutting" an underling at work, but here on Usenet, it just makes
you look even more arrogant, and unable to argue your case.
offhand sneer perfected in some minor public school, might work well
when "cutting" an underling at work, but here on Usenet, it just makes
you look even more arrogant, and unable to argue your case.
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Look where the [sic!] is place, my friend. We'll make a Latin scholar
of you yet...
of you yet...
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If the question was 'why wasting time on dickheads like Mowithey is a
waste of time' then yes indeed.
waste of time' then yes indeed.
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