Saturday 11 April 2020

Palestinian children burned with cigarettes by Israeli soldiers (Jan. 18, 2014)

  1. Morrissey8
    Palestinian children burned with cigarettes by Israeli soldiers in illegal settlement
    Submitted by Nora Barrows-Fr… on Wed, 01/15/2014 – 19:11
    Three Palestinian children were allegedly burned with lit cigarettes and denied access to food, water or toilet facilities after being arrested and detained by Israeli soldiers and police in September, a new report indicates. In separate incidents, the three children were allegedly assaulted and abused during arrest and transfer to the Ariel police station, which is located inside the illegal Ariel settlement colony in the occupied West Bank.
    Defence for Children International-Palestine section (DCI-Palestine) says that Israeli soldiers “severely and repeatedly beat Ali S, 14, from Azzun, Hendi S, 17, from Salfit, and Mohammad A, 15, from Tulkarem after arresting them. One soldier extinguished a cigarette butt on Ali’s lip while another burned Hendi’s arm with a cigarette, according to the sworn testimonies of the two teenagers. Hendi and Mohammad were denied access to food, water and toilet facilities for a long period. All three of them were accused of stone throwing.”
    DCI-Palestine adds that it submitted ten separate complaints in 2013 over alleged abuse and “torture of Palestinian children by Israeli soldiers and police,” but that in eight of the cases, “Israeli authorities failed to notify DCI-Palestine whether they had opened an investigation. The remaining two cases resulted in the military advocate-general’s decision to close the investigation due to insufficient evidence. Israeli authorities deem the refusal of victims to testify without the presence of a lawyer as insufficient evidence.”
    The group cites statistics by Yesh Din, an Israeli human rights organization, which reports…..
    And now, as a contrast to that bunch of lefty, liberal, do-gooder, self-loathing, Arabushim-loving Israeli human rights troublemakers, have a look at how a far less fastidious visitor insisted that things were “generally very relaxed” in the Occupied Territories after his regime-sponsored visit there….
    • enoch powell8.1
      I find it difficult to single out one country or religion for atrocities out there. Have you read what happened to children at the hands of their Muslim abductors in the Nigerian shopping mall way worse than what you just posted. How ever you never hear about it as the media don’t appear to want to upset the Muslims
      • Morrissey8.1.1
        I find it difficult to single out one country or religion for atrocities out there.
        You find it difficult because you don’t know anything about the situation. As shown by your almost incredible choice of a racist citation—“Muslim savages”—you don’t even have the sense to present yourself as anything other than a crass ignoramus. When I first saw it, I thought your choice of moniker was a slyly humorous touch, but now I doubt you have the wit to realise how people (other than ACT party and S.S. Trust members) react to that name.
        How about you start reading a few books about the history and reality of Israel’s internationally condemned occupation of the West Bank and its imprisonment of the people of Gaza?
        Then get back to us.
        • enoch powell8.1.1.1
          Oh but I have how come most Muslim countries in the Middle East have corrupt governments and enjoy killing each other Shia versus Sunni. It would appear that Israel is one of the few democracies in the Middle East
          • Morrissey8.1.1.1.1
            As I said before, it is quite obvious you know nothing. Why are you here? You have reading to do.
            Off you go now.
            • enoch powell8.1.1.1.1.1
              I have read enough to know that there is no such thing as a Palestinian ,and the people that actually claim that name come from Syria so your point is
              Off you go now do some reading theres a good boy
              • Morrissey
                I have read enough….
                Liar. Clearly you have read almost nothing on this subject, and certainly nothing scholarly or rigorous or intelligent. You are even so ignorant as to cite a fascist website to bolster your non-argument.
                Again, you are so out of your depth I almost feel pity for you.
                Lyn, how long will this ignorant, incendiary troll be allowed to post up his rubbish here? Intelligent and thoughtful people like Penny Bright incur bans for breaching protocol, but this fool breaches not only protocol but good taste, decency and common sense. Surely he can’t have long left here?
                • enoch powell
                  Morrissey just because people have a different view to you doesn’t make them an imbecile. Do you claim to be the almighty oracle on this subject. Please read some more am particularly interested in what Professor Hitti said about Palestine an Arab history professor. I guess he wouldn’t know as much as you though.
              • Rosie
                Hey! EP here’s a song for you!
                Muslamic Ray Guns
                • enoch powell
                  Thanks Rosie I love the religion of peace ,and the way they express it all over the world
              • freedom
                drinking the Kool Aid is bad enough but injecting it directly into your prefrontal cortex cannot be healthy
              • Draco T Bastard
                So, according to your logic, there’s no such thing as a NZer as we all came from somewhere else.
                • Morrissey
                  Draco, you’re attempting to engage with someone who is simply not up to it. I think we should leave him alone now and let him slope off back to that home for the terminally bewildered, Kiwiblog.
          • Te Reo Putake8.1.1.1.2
            That Israel is a democracy does not excuse them. It makes it worse.
            ps your link is bullshit.
            pps Wot moz said.
        • Grumpy8.1.1.2
          “Muslim” is a race? Who would of thought……..?
          • Rosie8.1.1.2.1
            And wow! “there is no such thing as a Palestinian”. That Oxfam Xmas money that was sent to a Palestinian Donkey Welfare organisation on my behalf must have been sent to an imaginary country.
      • Will@Welly8.1.2
        Nice to see you back in the game enoch. Bit hard to lead the up-rising, to take the chosen few to the promised land, when the dear leader, is part-Jewish, and your beliefs all the way through have always been anti-Semitic.
        But enoch, just like in England, when you tried to rouse the rabble, you might have left your run a tad too late. You see, the Maori’s have not one but two parties, Pacific Islanders are well and truly established in our communities, some are even “icons”, and as for Asians, matey, well, they run so many of our businesses and contribute so much to our society. On a personal note, a night out isn’t the same if it isn’t flavoured with a curry or a goreng.
        It might be time enoch to pack ya bags and follow dear ole Jaunty Key, and keel-ho back to Blighty, and hanker down, and wait till the day Mr. Key arrives, resplendent with his titular title, a knighthood, for services rendered, in selling-off as much as he can, of NZ Inc. A despicable man, much like you, enoch powell.
      • Grumpy8.1.3
        Pretty harrowing…….like you, I would have thought it to be further up Morrissey’s outrage scale than a bullshit unsubstantiated “report” about some spurious Israeli soldier being careless with a cigarette…..
  2. Tim9
    @enoch
    that was a brilliant speech you gave way back when as Maggie came to power. We showed ’em eh!
    Good to see Tarn Yabbit, his johnny cum lately sucker upper Mr Key (fresh from an Obama foto-op) really are beginning to show those pathetic suckers whose boss!. None of ya bloody ‘illegals, queue jumpers, bloody Kiwis bludging of the Australian people/ Nanny State shit eh?.
    Hey btw … that fuckn roo meat … whoooooooar!
    And you know what – apparently roos don’t fart aye – global warming solved!
  3. freedom10
    Alert the authorities !!!
    apparently Roger has escaped from American Dad and is using the pseudonym of enoch powell
  4. Draco T Bastard11
    Merchant urged the public and media to focus on real problems of child abuse, rather than making Maori the “face of abuse”.
    “The real danger I have seen from a social worker point of view is that there are a lot of children being abused but as far as the public are concerned they only seem to know about the ones that are Maori.
    “Child abuse is a problem for all people, not just for Maori.”
    As a Pākeha who grew up in an abusive household, I concur.
    • Rosie11.1
      “As a Pākeha who grew up in an abusive household, I concur”
      Ditto…..
      This point from the article may illustrate why there is so much misconception:
      “Almost 9000 children were victims of physical abuse between 2000 and 2008, yet only 21 became “household names”‘ in the media, she said.
      Just one-third of child deaths were reported in the press, and they were predominantly Maori cases”.
      • Draco T Bastard11.1.1
        Yes, it appears that the MSM are the cause of the massive misunderstandings across our society rather than the understanding that they should be bringing about. Another obvious misunderstanding is the one about just what the repeal of s59 actually meant.
  5. Rosie12
    “As a Pākeha who grew up in an abusive household, I concur”
    Ditto…..
    This point from the article may illustrate why there is so much misconception:
    “Almost 9000 children were victims of physical abuse between 2000 and 2008, yet only 21 became “household names”‘ in the media, she said.
    Just one-third of child deaths were reported in the press, and they were predominantly Maori cases”.
    • Rosie12.1
      Oopsie. Double up. Can’t delete.
    • Jan12.2
      There is a case to consider that this may be as much a class issue as a race one. My story is not a child abuse one but my partner was abusive to me. I left him and tried to work out what to do. He was Maori, but he was also a lawyer. The pressure to stay away from authorities and the law (which, incidentally, I caved in to) was because he was a middle-class professional. Ethnicity wasn’t an issue. Considering the continuing over-representation of Maori in the under classes, do you think this causes skewing of the statistics? The middle-classes, for a variety of status and economic reasons, probably, tend not to report
      • RedBaronCV12.2.1
        How very true Jan. There is planety of this in the higher income groups. And had you gone near them they would not have hesitated to ratify his behaviour and find every excuse imaginable to blame you
        • Jan12.2.1.1
          It wasn’t that so much as “What will it do to his career? What will it do to his reputation? Think of the children.”
          1. joe9014
            If it’s ever found I suspect the truth will be stranger than anything Franz Kafka wrote.
            Data collection has a crucial role in Kafka’s novels: in The Castle, there is almost incessant talk of record-keeping and the collection of personal data is shown in all its grotesque detail. This, too, has little to do with any clairvoyant abilities on Kafka’s part and instead a great deal to do with his professional experiences: he was an official at a state-run insurance company for workers and he quicklyrealised that the emphasis on statistical assessment was something new and daunting. In his office, individual lives and catastrophes became fodder for files and actuaries. Kafka, who was sensitive to the social implications of these modern means of bureaucracy, recognised that they also altered the thinking of people affected. Anyone who deals with this kind of agency has no choice but to adapt to its routines. Kafka was surprised that the system’s worst victims did not force their way into his office but instead filled out the forms submissively, then awaited their notification.
          2. enoch powell15
            Morrissey
            I am really interested in these comments
            Let us hear what other Arabs have said:
            “There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. ‘Palestine’ is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it”.
            – Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 –
            There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not”.
            – Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 –
            “It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria”.
            – Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 –
            As I lived in Palestine, everyone I knew could trace their heritage back to the original country their great grandparents came from. Everyone knew their origin was not from the Canaanites, but ironically, this is the kind of stuff our education in the Middle East included. The fact is that today’s Palestinians are immigrants from the surrounding nations! I grew up well knowing the history and origins of today’s Palestinians as being from Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Christians from Greece, muslim Sherkas from Russia, muslims from Bosnia, and the Jordanians next door. My grandfather, who was a dignitary in Bethlehem, almost lost his life by Abdul Qader Al-Husseni (the leader of the Palestinian revolution) after being accused of selling land to Jews. He used to tell us that his village Beit Sahur (The Shepherds Fields) in Bethlehem County was empty before his father settled in the area with six other families. The town has now grown to 30,000 inhabitants”.
            – Walid Shoebat, an “ex-Palestinian” Arab –
          3. joe9016
            Citing a liar and a fraud confirms just how fucking stupid you are.
            “Being an ex-terrorist myself is to understand the mindset of a terrorist,” Shoebat told CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360.”

            But CNN reporters in the United States, Israel and the Palestinianterritories found no evidence that would support that biography. Neither Shoebat nor his business partner provided any proof of Shoebat’s involvement in terrorism, despite repeated requests.
            Back in his hometown of Beit Sahour, outside Bethlehem, relatives say they can’t understand how Shoebat could turn so roundly on his family and his faith.

            “I have never heard anything about Walid being a mujahedeen or a terrorist,” said Daood Shoebat, who says he is Walid Shoebat’s fourth cousin. “He claims this for his own personal reasons.”
            CNN’s Jerusalem bureau went to great lengths trying to verify Shoebat’s story. The Tel Aviv headquarters of Bank Leumi had no record of a firebombing at its now-demolished Bethlehem branch. Israeli police had no record of the bombing, and the prison where Shoebat says he was held “for a few weeks” for inciting anti-Israel demonstrations says it has no record of him being incarcerated there either.

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