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Here's yet another expose of the looney radical right wing fringe of
the U.S. media. Remember, as you read this, that our good friend
Redbaiter really rates these fascists....
Here's yet another expose of the looney radical right wing fringe of
the U.S. media. Remember, as you read this, that our good friend
Redbaiter really rates these fascists....
Keith Olbermann: Has Fox News gone too far?
MSNBC - Nov 16, 2006
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Nov. 15: "Countdown" host Keith Olbermann talks to "Outfoxed" filmmaker Robert Greenwald about a Fox News memo that instructs staffers on who and where to spin the news.
Has Fox News gone too far?
'Outfoxed' filmmaker says alleged internal memo points to bias
"Countdown" host Keith Olbermann highlighted an alleged internal Fox
memo sent to staff they day after Democrats took control of the Congress on
his Nov. 15 show.
memo sent to staff they day after Democrats took control of the Congress on
his Nov. 15 show.
He talked to documentary filmmaker Robert Greenwald, who examined other similar memos put out by the network in his movie "Outfoxed."
This is a transcript from the show:
One of the most ingenious aspects of the false charge of an intentional
liberal bias in the news media is the unstated inference that if there
is a liberal bias there by necessity cannot be an intentional conservative
bias.
is a liberal bias there by necessity cannot be an intentional conservative
bias.
A new piece of hard evidence that there indeed a conservative bias in
at least one quarter of the media, a Rosetta Stone of jaundiced
journalism.
at least one quarter of the media, a Rosetta Stone of jaundiced
journalism.
It's apparently a printout of a channel's daily editorial memo,
marching orders e-mailed to key staffers on how and where to slant the news.
And how to adjust the facts to match the political conclusions and not the
other way around.
marching orders e-mailed to key staffers on how and where to slant the news.
And how to adjust the facts to match the political conclusions and not the
other way around.
Dated November 9th, the morning after Democrats secured control of both houses, obtained by the huffingtonpost.com, it states:
"The elections and Rumsfeld's resignations were a major event but not the end of the world. The war on terror goes on without interruption."
Then it brings out the old, a vote for Democrats is a vote for terrorists chestnut:
"Let's be on the lookout for any statements from the Iraqi
insurgents
who must be thrilled at the prospect of a Dem-controlled Congress."
insurgents
who must be thrilled at the prospect of a Dem-controlled Congress."
Then there's another dig at the new majority:
"The question of the day and indeed for the rest of Bush's term is
what's the Dem plan for Iraq? This could be a very short live shot
for
Jim Angle, but he'll try."
what's the Dem plan for Iraq? This could be a very short live shot
for
Jim Angle, but he'll try."
And finally a reiteration for the network to continue to try the scare
the
crap out of the American people:
the
crap out of the American people:
"We'll continue to work the Hamas threat to the U.S. that came hours
after the election results. Just because Dems won, the war on
terror
isn't over."
terror
isn't over."
The Columbia Journalism Review pointed out that hours after that memo
was
issued Fox News live desk host Martha McCallum reported from New York
that
there were,
was
issued Fox News live desk host Martha McCallum reported from New York
that
there were,
"Some reports of cheering in the streets on behalf of the supporters
of
the insurgency in Iraq that they're very pleased with the way things
are
going here and also with the resignation of Donald Rumsfeld."
of
the insurgency in Iraq that they're very pleased with the way things
are
going here and also with the resignation of Donald Rumsfeld."
Now, that's a coincidence. Let's explore the journalistic slight of
hand.
hand.
ROBERT GREENWALD, DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKER: Pleasure to be with you.
KEITH OLBERMANN, "COUNTDOWN" HOST: This basically is it, right? To
see a
memo from Fox's senior editorial vice president in black and white the
day
after the election last week prophesying the day's news and then making
the
news fit the prophecy. It is a smoking gun. Is it not?
see a
memo from Fox's senior editorial vice president in black and white the
day
after the election last week prophesying the day's news and then making
the
news fit the prophecy. It is a smoking gun. Is it not?
GREENWALD: There's no question about it. And it's the worst kind of
obscenity. I really think they've crossed a new line here. In the
year I
spent studying them, in the memos we got from "Outfoxed" we compiled
them.
But to do it immediately after the election and to make these kinds of
accusations and then to force the facts to fit what they want it to
fit,
really to me has brought them to a new line. If they were journalists
they
would be ashamed. But they're not.
year I
spent studying them, in the memos we got from "Outfoxed" we compiled
them.
But to do it immediately after the election and to make these kinds of
accusations and then to force the facts to fit what they want it to
fit,
really to me has brought them to a new line. If they were journalists
they
would be ashamed. But they're not.
And the Huffington Post and your show are to be commended for not
allowing
them to continue to get away with this. Now remember, Dan Rather was
fired
for not fact checking. I want Rupert Murdoch to fire whoever put out
this
memo now and to call for an investigation now of Fox News if they had
anything to do with being a news organization.
allowing
them to continue to get away with this. Now remember, Dan Rather was
fired
for not fact checking. I want Rupert Murdoch to fire whoever put out
this
memo now and to call for an investigation now of Fox News if they had
anything to do with being a news organization.
OLBERMANN: Now his name is John Moody and we'll get a little bit on
his
background in a moment. But tell me about your experience with these
memos. Their frequency, their importance, they've been shown before
but
here's one in the flesh that seems to have resonated pretty loudly.
What
do that mean? Do you have any idea how they would get out?
his
background in a moment. But tell me about your experience with these
memos. Their frequency, their importance, they've been shown before
but
here's one in the flesh that seems to have resonated pretty loudly.
What
do that mean? Do you have any idea how they would get out?
GREENWALD: Well, they would get out because there are good, solid
patriotic citizens at Fox News, and this is just the beginning, there
is
going to be a lot more coming to the Huffington Post who think that
it's a
travesty. Who think that heads should roll because of this.
patriotic citizens at Fox News, and this is just the beginning, there
is
going to be a lot more coming to the Huffington Post who think that
it's a
travesty. Who think that heads should roll because of this.
Now what the memos do, and I'm sure you don't have this on your show,
they
tell the correspondents what to say and how to say it. Let's make no
mistake about it, this is scripted entertainment. You give an actor
lines. You tell them what they're supposed to say, you tell them how
to
say it. That is actors, that is puppets, it has zero to do with news.
And
what we found in "Outfoxed" was these would come several times a week.
they
tell the correspondents what to say and how to say it. Let's make no
mistake about it, this is scripted entertainment. You give an actor
lines. You tell them what they're supposed to say, you tell them how
to
say it. That is actors, that is puppets, it has zero to do with news.
And
what we found in "Outfoxed" was these would come several times a week.
Frankly, I thought that they stopped after our film, but I guess
they're
back in full fledged shining armor again.
they're
back in full fledged shining armor again.
OLBERMANN: The devil's advocate question. I'll read that fourth
paragraph
again and just sort of - I'll take it out of the context and ask you
this.
"The question of that day and indeed for the rest of Bush's term is
what's
the Dem plan for Iraq?"
paragraph
again and just sort of - I'll take it out of the context and ask you
this.
"The question of that day and indeed for the rest of Bush's term is
what's
the Dem plan for Iraq?"
On just that, what's wrong with that? Could there be a memo, if not a
daily memo but a memo somewhere at any other network that reads, "The
question of the day and indeed for the rest of Bush's term is what's
Bush's
plan for Iraq?"
question of the day and indeed for the rest of Bush's term is what's
Bush's
plan for Iraq?"
GREENWALD: Well, there should be a memo saying what are the plans for
Iraq? And I defy anybody to show me one hard question that Fox has
ever
asked about "stay the course". Stay the course when there's no course
to be
staying, just this is kind of insane policy that has no place to go.
And
there's never been any questioning or probing about that.
ever
asked about "stay the course". Stay the course when there's no course
to be
staying, just this is kind of insane policy that has no place to go.
And
there's never been any questioning or probing about that.
But again, the assumption of what we all know is that they're not a
news
organization. They carry out the propaganda. They carry out what
the
administration tells them to say. And this is just further evidence
of
it. The tragedy is that some people still think they're really
getting
real news.
news
organization. They carry out the propaganda. They carry out what
the
administration tells them to say. And this is just further evidence
of
it. The tragedy is that some people still think they're really
getting
real news.
And in a democracy, which we love and cherish, news a critical part of
it
and the notion that they parade behind the banner of news, really does
all
of us a tremendous disservice.
it
and the notion that they parade behind the banner of news, really does
all
of us a tremendous disservice.
OLBERMANN: Lastly, there are two separate references to the war on
terror
continuing no matter what happened in the election. There's a third
reference to the Hamas threat to the U.S. Do you think the document
originates in the Fox offices? Or is it just too paranoid to think
this
might be a rewrite of White House press office or Republican National
Committee daily talking points?
terror
continuing no matter what happened in the election. There's a third
reference to the Hamas threat to the U.S. Do you think the document
originates in the Fox offices? Or is it just too paranoid to think
this
might be a rewrite of White House press office or Republican National
Committee daily talking points?
GREENWALD: Well, the sad thing is it almost doesn't matter because
they
are so in sync with each other that you'll never see a disparity.
they
are so in sync with each other that you'll never see a disparity.
So whether it comes from the White House or whether it comes from Fox
News
or they mutually feed each other, the notion of scaring and terrorizing
us,
when we did the "Outfoxed" movie, I literally had six hours worth of
scare
the hell out of them stuff that we couldn't put in the full film. And
now
you're going to see it more and more again.
News
or they mutually feed each other, the notion of scaring and terrorizing
us,
when we did the "Outfoxed" movie, I literally had six hours worth of
scare
the hell out of them stuff that we couldn't put in the full film. And
now
you're going to see it more and more again.
Look, it's a terrible time for conservatives. The election's a
tragedy.
Fox News is losing viewers. It's losing advertisers. They're in
free
fall, so what do they do? They go to their same old, same old which
is try
to scare us. I don't think it's going to work and I think that we can
call
them on it.
tragedy.
Fox News is losing viewers. It's losing advertisers. They're in
free
fall, so what do they do? They go to their same old, same old which
is try
to scare us. I don't think it's going to work and I think that we can
call
them on it.
OLBERMANN: And someone in that organization is calling them on it too
and
that perhaps is the good news contained within. Robert Greenwald,
maker of
the documentary film, "Outfoxed." Great thanks for joining us here.
and
that perhaps is the good news contained within. Robert Greenwald,
maker of
the documentary film, "Outfoxed." Great thanks for joining us here.
GREENWALD: My pleasure.
OLBERMANN: By the way about the author of the memo, he's John Moody,
Fox
News Channel senior vice president of news/editorial. He's not nearly
as
well known as owner Rupert Murdoch nor majordomo Roger Ailes but on a
day-to-day space he may be more influential than either.
Fox
News Channel senior vice president of news/editorial. He's not nearly
as
well known as owner Rupert Murdoch nor majordomo Roger Ailes but on a
day-to-day space he may be more influential than either.
A sidebar to this. He proves the theory that it might be nature or it
might be nurture, but ultimately it's all about the individual. Moody
got
his news training, the beginning of it, at Cornell University, not long
got
his news training, the beginning of it, at Cornell University, not long
before I got mine at the same place. He and I each overlapped for two
years at Cornell with another guy named Bill Maher, several years
before
Ann Coulter graduated from the university preceding another Cornellian,
before
Ann Coulter graduated from the university preceding another Cornellian,
Izzy Povich, who is the executive producer of this newscast.
And by the way, we did call Fox News vice president of communications
Arana
Bergante for a comment, but received none. We wish her well.
Arana
Bergante for a comment, but received none. We wish her well.
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morriss...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Preliminary comment by MORRISSEY BREEN, Daisycutter Sports....
> Here's yet another expose of the looney radical right wing fringe of
> the U.S. media. Remember, as you read this, that our good friend
> Redbaiter really rates these fascists....
>
> Keith Olbermann: Has Fox News gone too far?
>
> MSNBC - Nov 16, 2006
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/
>
> Nov. 15: "Countdown" host Keith Olbermann talks to "Outfoxed" filmmaker
> Preliminary comment by MORRISSEY BREEN, Daisycutter Sports....
> Here's yet another expose of the looney radical right wing fringe of
> the U.S. media. Remember, as you read this, that our good friend
> Redbaiter really rates these fascists....
>
> Keith Olbermann: Has Fox News gone too far?
>
> MSNBC - Nov 16, 2006
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/
>
> Nov. 15: "Countdown" host Keith Olbermann talks to "Outfoxed" filmmaker
"Outfoxed" is another loony left conspiracy theory the left has created
to avoid admitting that Fox is more in line with the US public than
they will ever be. They can't admit that *they're* the ones on the
fringe so they explain its success instead by slandering it as lowering
journalism's standards, being a corrupt corporate entity, etc etc,
despite all the scandals in recent years coming from the likes of CNN,
Reuters, CBS. "Outfoxed" only proves the far left's own bias against
their own country.
to avoid admitting that Fox is more in line with the US public than
they will ever be. They can't admit that *they're* the ones on the
fringe so they explain its success instead by slandering it as lowering
journalism's standards, being a corrupt corporate entity, etc etc,
despite all the scandals in recent years coming from the likes of CNN,
Reuters, CBS. "Outfoxed" only proves the far left's own bias against
their own country.
>
> Robert Greenwald about a Fox News memo that instructs staffers on who
> and
> where to spin the news.
>
> Has Fox News gone too far?
>
> 'Outfoxed' filmmaker says alleged internal memo points to bias
> Robert Greenwald about a Fox News memo that instructs staffers on who
> and
> where to spin the news.
>
> Has Fox News gone too far?
>
> 'Outfoxed' filmmaker says alleged internal memo points to bias
Gee, one memo. Not quite enough to write a book on the subject like Ann
Coulter did, is it!
Coulter did, is it!
Now let's see what the memo said -
> One of the most ingenious aspects of the false charge of an intentional
>
> liberal bias in the news media is the unstated inference that if there
> is a
> liberal bias there by necessity cannot be an intentional conservative
> bias.
>
> liberal bias in the news media is the unstated inference that if there
> is a
> liberal bias there by necessity cannot be an intentional conservative
> bias.
The far left interprets a POV in favour of America and the US military
as being "conservative bias". That's all Fox really is - pro-American -
which is why it's trashed CNN in the ratings: it appeals to American
viewers.
as being "conservative bias". That's all Fox really is - pro-American -
which is why it's trashed CNN in the ratings: it appeals to American
viewers.
Most Americans don't hate their country. That's a tough fact for the
far left to swallow.
far left to swallow.
> Dated November 9th, the morning after Democrats secured control of both
>
> houses, obtained by the huffingtonpost.com, it states:
>
> "The elections and Rumsfeld's resignations were a major event but
> not
> the end of the world. The war on terror goes on without
> interruption."
>
> houses, obtained by the huffingtonpost.com, it states:
>
> "The elections and Rumsfeld's resignations were a major event but
> not
> the end of the world. The war on terror goes on without
> interruption."
IOW, Fox wants America to win the war on terror. More "bias" like that
from CNN please!!
from CNN please!!
Yet the far left interprets a pro-US military stance as being
conservative bias. Is that why, in America liberals don't campaign on
being liberals and pretend to be conservatives?
conservative bias. Is that why, in America liberals don't campaign on
being liberals and pretend to be conservatives?
>
> Then it brings out the old, a vote for Democrats is a vote for
> terrorists
> chestnut:
> Then it brings out the old, a vote for Democrats is a vote for
> terrorists
> chestnut:
Not what it says:
>
> "Let's be on the lookout for any statements from the Iraqi
> insurgents
> who must be thrilled at the prospect of a Dem-controlled Congress."
> "Let's be on the lookout for any statements from the Iraqi
> insurgents
> who must be thrilled at the prospect of a Dem-controlled Congress."
It's making the valid point that the support of a change to a Democrat
Congress from terrorists is a newsworthy observation.
Congress from terrorists is a newsworthy observation.
What braindead fool would think that it isn't? Alas, the far left
knows, that being revealed for what really they are is bad news.
knows, that being revealed for what really they are is bad news.
>
> Then there's another dig at the new majority:
>
> "The question of the day and indeed for the rest of Bush's term is
> what's the Dem plan for Iraq? This could be a very short live shot
> for
> Jim Angle, but he'll try."
> Then there's another dig at the new majority:
>
> "The question of the day and indeed for the rest of Bush's term is
> what's the Dem plan for Iraq? This could be a very short live shot
> for
> Jim Angle, but he'll try."
Newsworthy question. It's been one of the big issues of discussion
throughout the media the past week. Apparently expecting the Dems to
have a plan is seen as anti-Dem bias by the far left! That just shows
how pragmatic and reliable these folks are in this struggle.
throughout the media the past week. Apparently expecting the Dems to
have a plan is seen as anti-Dem bias by the far left! That just shows
how pragmatic and reliable these folks are in this struggle.
>
> And finally a reiteration for the network to continue to try the scare
> the
> crap out of the American people:
>
> "We'll continue to work the Hamas threat to the U.S. that came hours
>
> after the election results. Just because Dems won, the war on
> terror
> isn't over."
> And finally a reiteration for the network to continue to try the scare
> the
> crap out of the American people:
>
> "We'll continue to work the Hamas threat to the U.S. that came hours
>
> after the election results. Just because Dems won, the war on
> terror
> isn't over."
Hamas has openly stated its intention to attack US interests.
This is reality, not scaremongering. Conclusion: The left can't deal
with reality.
with reality.
>
> The Columbia Journalism Review pointed out that hours after that memo
> was
> issued Fox News live desk host Martha McCallum reported from New York
> that
> there were,
>
> "Some reports of cheering in the streets on behalf of the supporters
> of
> the insurgency in Iraq that they're very pleased with the way things
> are
> going here and also with the resignation of Donald Rumsfeld."
>
> Now, that's a coincidence.
> The Columbia Journalism Review pointed out that hours after that memo
> was
> issued Fox News live desk host Martha McCallum reported from New York
> that
> there were,
>
> "Some reports of cheering in the streets on behalf of the supporters
> of
> the insurgency in Iraq that they're very pleased with the way things
> are
> going here and also with the resignation of Donald Rumsfeld."
>
> Now, that's a coincidence.
"Conspiracy! conspiracy!"
That the left can turn insurgents pleased at the changes in the US
government into a "convenient" coincidence for
conservatives/Republicans is another example of their unwillingness in
dealing with reality, and escape instead into wild paranoia and
conspiracy theories.
government into a "convenient" coincidence for
conservatives/Republicans is another example of their unwillingness in
dealing with reality, and escape instead into wild paranoia and
conspiracy theories.
> Let's explore the journalistic slight of
> hand.
> hand.
Conclusion: MSNBC is full of crap. That's why no one in America watches
them.
them.
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Then please explain why the latest ratings show that the number of viewers
of Fox News is down 25% on last year.
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