Grauniad thugs joke and troll about Assange on Twitter (Jun. 3, 2019)

Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter Posted by margo on June 3, 2019, 8:15 am Anyone with Twitter should check yesterday's droll tweets from Marina Hyde (@MarinaHyde) and Nick Cohen (@NickCohen4). The UN's Nils Melzer and Assange are all good for a joke, a supporter is a "wikileaks cultist" etc. Callous lack of empathy and immature defensive escape into sarcastic humour ... from The Guardian's top journalists. But, as bullies and mobbers are wont to say, it's all "only a joke". Interesting exchanges with lawyer Hanna Jonasson @AssangeLegal and with @Jaraparilla  Previous Message Retort from @WiseUpAction: "[Melzer was] referencing a report which details a campaign of public smear and defamation towards Assange from multiple areas over a number of years. How did that Paul Manafort story check out? Or was that a joke too?"  Meanwhile, Christine Assange at @AssangeMrs is proving to be on-point and feisty, not afraid of taking on Jeremy Hunt, who shows pathalogical lack of any empathy or compassion in the face of her obvious distress. Twitter's a good resource for gaining insight into the mindset of journalists and politicians.

Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter Posted by dovetailjoint on June 3, 2019, 9:14 am, in reply to "Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter" I find the Guardian's leading journalists and their public school, Oxbridge, 'humour' totally excrutiating awful. These are the kind of middle class twits that drove me up the wall at university. Perhaps it was because I'm not from the middle class? I always found them servile in relation to the culture of Power in the UK. It's hard to respect someone who always seems so ready to provide one with a service, or is plugging their ####ing CV. Coming fro abroad, one looked at these people from the outside, and I found them both embarrassing and ridiculous, and all this dreadful 'humour'... help! Crass sarcasm disguised as wit. And their puny arrogance and conceit about how jolly clever they were compared to the rest of the ####ing country and the world. Ha, ha, ha.

Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter Posted by Raskolnikov on June 3, 2019, 9:15 am, in reply to "Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter" They are both complete pieces of shit. You are right about Twitter showing them in a clearer light and how ugly the view is. This isn't an effing Guardian Christmas party Marina. And you didn't just drop a cheeky one liner about a promiscuous colleague. A journalist is facing 175 years in prison, setting a horrific precedent, and you're willfully trivialising the matter from an influential position. Marina Hyde ‏Verified account @MarinaHyde 16h16 hours ago I’m all about him facing the rape accusation; sorry but not surprised to see you couldn’t give a #### If she was "all about" the rape accusation you'd think she'd look into it and get the facts rights but...apparently not. Does she really think that this is a suitable response to a "rape accusation"? Disgusting attempt to excuse her cheering on this state sponsored attempted murder. Chris Futcher ‏@chrisfutch Jun 1 Replying to @SwaziJAF @afshinrattansi and She knows a lot about arseholes, her tongue is enthusiastically inserted up one as far as is possible in order to maintain her position as an establishment shill. The bile these bastards spew out needs to be recorded and remembered; something Twitter actually comes in useful for. I despise Hyde with a passsion; she's a w.hore of the empire.

Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter Posted by dovetailjoint on June 3, 2019, 9:27 am, in reply to "Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter" I just find them all very, very, stupid. All that witless banter revolts me. Maybe it's a cultural thing? The middle class seemm to use their humour as a drug, like opium. It's there to protect them from having to engage with the harshess of reality. It soothes and takes the edge off of things. Their servile role as servants of the powerful and the state. What's so terrible and dishonourable today is how easily they turn their 'wit' and mockery towards people lower down the social scale than they are. And now, their relentless, ghastly attacks on a defenceless and isolated individual held in a dungeon, being prepared for destruction for attempting to tell the truth about what's really going on around us, all in the name of freedom and democracy. These people at the Guardian are beneath contempt. They are the kind of vile thugs who would have made jokes about Jews needing a shower cramed into cattle trucks one their way to the death camps or helpless witches being burned at the stake. What's depressing is how difficult and how few people in public life have the guts or opportunity to take these awful swine on and give them some counter humour!

Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter Posted by dovetailjoint on June 3, 2019, 9:37 am, in reply to "Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter" At school in the UK and later at Uni, I couldn't understand why these people thought they were so ####ing clever and witty, whilst to me they seemed childish and idiotic and incredibly parochial and ignorant. They were being groomed to rule and lead, only the ####ing Empire was all over with and they were just left with the UK. Perhaps that was where their conceit and arrogance came from? They'd been told they represented the cleverest and the best, the most witty, like characters from a novel by Jane Austin. Only they were too thick to understand that they weren't really the clever ones in the novels, the ones that 'get it', but the stupid, vain and silly ones Austin pokes fun at.

Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter Posted by dovetailjoint on June 3, 2019, 9:45 am, in reply to "Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter" https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/06/03/tort-j03.html I get the feeling this is what it was like in the Middle Ages when some poor woman was accused of being in league with Satan and the screaming mob was dragging her off to the ducking-stool and the millpond. Then, as now, it would require courage to step out into road and question the validity of the whole ghastly process, when madness seizes the crowd and the witch-hunt is raging.

Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter Posted by margo on June 3, 2019, 9:44 am, in reply to "Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter" further tweets from that thread: Paul Mansfield @azardsphere - "UN rapporteur implores abuse and mockery of Julian Assange to end. Shameless journo Nick Cohen twists the knife further, distorting his meaning and trivialising torture. Charlotte Gracias (@CMAGracias) steps in and calls Cohen out as the gutless coward he is Charlotte Gracias @CMAGracias - reply to @NickCohen4 and @MarinaHyde  "Nick, please read carefully before you tweet. Nils Melzer said "there has been relentless and unrestrained campaign of public mobbing, intimidation and defamation against Mr Assange". He aimed his comments at the British corporate and state media which included you and Marina

Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter Posted by dovetailjoint on June 3, 2019, 9:50 am, in reply to "Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter" One of the things I noticed about the elite UK education system when I was 'imprisoned' inside it for a few years, before I got expelled for drug use, was that these people were taught that they were never wrong and should always should like they knew what they were talking about, even when they didn't. It was all a kind of enormous bluff, a class pretense, the studied air of supreme confidence, which foreigners are often extremely impressed by. One never gets the impression with these awful Guardian types, that they ever reflect and wonder if they might be completely wrong about something important, like Assange '

Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter Posted by dovetailjoint on June 3, 2019, 10:10 am, in reply to "Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter" Sorry. All this brings back such old and horrible memories of going to school with these kind of people and how they turned on weaker individuals for ritual persecution with all the charm of Nazi Brownshirts surrounding a helpless victim in the street. At one of the shools my dad sent me to, there was an awful lot of 'fagging' and violence as well, a ghastly pecking order. I think some of the older prefects were also ####ing some of the younger boys in the meantime. They were truly horrible places. Fortunately for me, I was big for my age and someone had taught me the rudiments of boxing, how with one punch one could break someones nose even if they are bigger than you are. It's technique and daring to do it to a bully. Do that a couple of times and they steer clear of you. That foreign kid's barmy!

Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter Posted by Shyaku on June 7, 2019, 7:22 am, in reply to "Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter" Were you good at woodwork?

Jokes aside, UK media grooms public to dismiss Assange as a journalist Posted by margo on June 3, 2019, 10:20 am, in reply to "Re: Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter" DJ, I enjoy your insights gleaned from within the belly of the beast  Best case scenario, these Guardian types are ignorant snobs... worst case scenario they know what they're doing: which is to assist (one way or another, wittingly or unwittingly) in (i) grooming the public to reflexively dismiss Assange as a stinky creep and (ii) creating a legal loophole by depicting Assange as anything but a journalist... which fits the US-Swedish extradition slipway ---- --- This tweet from @FilmsKipunji: "Please demand from these media polluters @guardian & @MarinaHyde ...who gave Luke Harding the idea behind the "not a journalist" [trope] which is one of the ways they are trying to create this legal loophole. Who is Luke Harding working for? Please reply in the public interest"

Guardian record on Assange Posted by margo on June 3, 2019, 10:48 am, in reply to "Jokes aside, UK media grooms public to dismiss Assange as a journalist" From @Jaraparilla Cohen in 2011 said Assange was "aching to betray better and braver people than he could ever be", specifically members of the US "military-industrial complex" (Cohen's quote marks) . He quoted Assange saying US informants "deserved to die", a quote Assange and others present deny he made. "Cohen in 2011 also repeated James Ball's claims that Assange was an anti-Semite who gave cables to Belarusian dictatorship who then killed named sources. Of course there has never been any proof of that. But who needs facts to write shit in the Guardian, right @KathViner? "[James] Ball later admitted that it was he himself who gave those cables to Israel Shamir who denied giving them to Lukashenko. But somehow Cohen makes the giant logical leap that "Assange's involvement with Shamir" absolves Guardian editor David Leigh's publishing [Assange's] archive password! "The Guardian's mantra ever since: Assange is not a journalist and Wikileaks just "dumps" stuff. Cohen blamed Assange for forcing a reporter to flee Ethiopia, as if foreign governments might never have noticed the password in David Leigh's book. It was the Guardian who really endangered [that reporter] "Cohen declared "there needs to be relentless pressure" on high profile Wikileaks reporters like Jemima Kahn and Bianca Jagger, both of whom succumbed to the bullying and disinfo campaign. In 2012 Chen wrote another article: "Definition Of Paranoia: supporters of Julian Assange". Nick Cohen attacked "the conspiratorial fantasies of the backers of the Julian Assange show", specifically Greenwald who had said the USA would try to extradite Assange. Cohen ridiculed the idea. Now the "conspiratorial fantasies" are proven real, where's the apology? "Cohen also ridiculed Assange supporters for suggesting the Swedish allegations might not be all they seem. Now we know the Crown Prosecutors told Sweden not to come question him in London, insisted this was "not a normal case" and then deleted emails! Where's the apology, Nick? "Cohen repeatedly dismissed "the infantile leftism of Assange and his creepy collaborators" but now accuses Julian of helping elect the right wing monster Trump. Again, there's no coherent logic. Just repeated smears which UK media editors for some reason decide to remunerate". "That was just the start of an 8-year UK media campaign of hate across multiple outlets, social media and insider gossip. [My] complaints to the UK Press Complaints Commission were met with ridicule, distortion and disinterest > https://jaraparilla.blogspot.com/2012/06/letter-to-uk-press-complaints.html "And after all that, following UN Nils Melzer criticism, they want to pretend this propaganda never happened, or that it was "just a joke"? No. Julian is in jail, traumatised, facing 170 years in a US supermax. We owe it to him to learn from what has happened."

As Trump touches down, Assange's lawyer Per Samuelson at Swedish court this morning Posted by margo on June 3, 2019, 11:04 am, in reply to "Guardian journalists continue to joke and troll about Assange on Twitter" Unfolding news on twitter (eg AnonymousScandinavia)  The WL founder is expected to be detained in his absence at Uppsala today. Hearing began at 10am. Per E Samuelson at Uppsala District Court. Not allowed to record video or take pictures in courtroom. Prosecutor Eva-Marie Persson believes that her client was in a helpless state when she was asleep. She also believes that the negotiations should take place behind closed doors to protect both her client and Assange's integrity. Per Samuelson replies that his client Julian Assange calls for the doors to be kept open for increased transparency. Proceedings now continue behind closed doors... When public proceedings continue, there will be discussion on the proportionality principle and flight risk .... / ongoing

Re: As Trump touches down, Assange's lawyer Per Samuelson at Swedish court this morning Posted by margo on June 3, 2019, 11:15 am, in reply to "As Trump touches down, Assange's lawyer Per Samuelson at Swedish court this morning" "... therefore he can't be arrested, for the reason of interrogation. We can talk to him via video link or visit him", continues the lawyer "Mr Assange would like to participate. But the question of voluntary participation has not yet seen the light", says the lawyer P.S: "It's difficult to get rid of the idea we are sitting here [not] because of rape charges but because we want to compete with the United States on the idea of extradition." Investigation orders are lifted by the lawyer as an alternative. P.S: "It's done for this situation. For why should one detain someone who is already detained? The only reason I see is that you want to compete with the United States", says Samuelson.

Re: As Trump touches down, Assange's lawyer Per Samuelson at Swedish court this morning Posted by dovetailjoint on June 3, 2019, 2:14 pm, in reply to "Re: As Trump touches down, Assange's lawyer Per Samuelson at Swedish court this morning" So thos 'rape' investigation/charges/trial, after so many years is gonna hinged on whether the woman involved SW, was 'helpless' or not when sex was initiated by Assange. That is, was she completely asleep, half-asleep, or awake, or almost in all three states on and off. That this is regularly called 'rape' in our media, is ridiculous. As she initially didn't want to even sign the statement about Assange's alleged actions and has refused to term what happened as 'rape' and all this happened years and years ago and how on earth would one ever prove SW was fully asleep and therefore 'helpless', is beyond me. So Assange has to prove that when he started the sexual activity, he had made sure his sexual partner was fully awake and could, therefore, give her consent, and if he didn't do this, then he's guilty of 'rape'; seems to be stretching the definition of 'rape' way beyond what most people would accept.

Re: As Trump touches down, Assange's lawyer Per Samuelson at Swedish court this morning Posted by dovetailjoint on June 3, 2019, 2:22 pm, in reply to "Re: As Trump touches down, Assange's lawyer Per Samuelson at Swedish court this morning" I should perhaps add, that even in Sweden, there have been inumerable trials were men have attacked women physically and there's evidence of said attacks, but they've been found not guilty of raping these women. The law and trials are tricky things. So, compared to these cases, the ammount of effort, time and energy the Swedes have spent on the Assange Affair, which appears trivial and extremely difficult to prove anyway, one has to wonder, why? Why have the Swedes used so many resources on Julain Assange compared to other cases? Because of who he is. He's both famous and a foreigner and an 'enemy of the West.' From the very beginning the case was obviously political, anyone who is a moron or paid, understands this. Yet, according to liberal opinion it's not political at all, just like Assange isn't a journalist or even a publisher, despite the fact that he so clearly is, both. Talk about liberals turning into sophists! Soon these tarts will be arguing about how many journalists, real journalists, can balance on the end of a pin.

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