Sunday 27 October 2019

Chapo Trap House on Paul Verhoeven's Starship Troopers (Dec. 23, 2018)

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Chapo Trap House on Paul Verhoeven's Starship Troopers

  
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Published on Dec 23, 2018
The acclaimed, provocative, and hilarious podcast Chapo Trap House (authors of the New York Times best-selling The Chapo Guide to Revolution) joined the Film Society of Lincoln Center for a special presentation of a film they have selected: Paul Verhoeven’s thrilling and subversive sci-fi spectacle Starship Troopers. After the screening, Chapo’s hosts participated in an extended onstage discussion.

Chapo Trap House on Starship Troopers:

"The Hollywood films of Dutch director Paul Verhoeven have been foundational to the comedic and political sensibilities of our podcast. From the gore drenched sci-fi satire of Robocop and Total Recall to the trashy sex satire of Basic Instinct and Showgirls, Verhoeven’s self-consciously obscene and absurd visions of American culture have been consistently ahead of their time by about twenty to thirty years. What happens, though, when the reality we’re currently living in has finally caught up to the grotesque visions of Verhoeven’s films?

Perhaps nowhere does this uncannily prophetic phenomenon find a more pure or hilarious expression than in his adaption of Robert Heinlein’s Starship Troopers. By presenting an essentially fascist narrative of humanity’s war on a race of giant bugs as straight-up and true to Heinlein’s material as possible, Verhoeven creates a dual context in which the heroes of his film all believe in its insane militaristic politics but the movie itself deftly underscores the suicidal death drive and cheapness of human life endemic to the fascist state. Verhoeven, who himself grew up under the Nazi occupation of Holland, creates something like “Triumph of the Will meets Saved by the Bell” and demonstrates the heights of what irony can achieve in cinema. Starship Troopers is a satirical masterpiece that we should all return to again as our own deeply moribund democracy slouches towards an uncertain future."

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Sploshy 
I’m glad virgil has two water bottles, my boy needs to keep himself wet
Noh Buddy 
I like how at the end Neil Patrick Harris shows up in a damn SS uniform to just tell the audience what it's really about if they didn't get it at first
Grim Snark 
My favorite scene is at the end where Rico is now in charge of the unit and is inspecting the new recruits and some of them look like they can't be older than about 13.
William Mays 
They are making the modern equivalent unironically in the form of American Sniper and the Transformers movies
Craig Trautman jr 
Lindsay Ellis did a great video on Mel Brooks's "The Producers" and nazi imagery in satire, and she pointed out that movies like Cabaret or American History X try to portray fascism negatively but have ultimately had their works used as empowering media by neonazis (kinda like the quote about how war movies ultimately make war appealing, which is a sentiment I've personally seen, as I know many marines that adore Emery in Fullmetal Jacket) but neonazis have been reluctant to even acknowledge Springtime for Hitler due to how ludicrous and silly it portrays nazis.
Chad Ghostall 
i love that virgil has two bottles of water
Patrick Holt 
The thing which stands out to me about this fascism is the intentional ineffectuality of their military technology. It becomes apparent the Fleet and Mobile Infantry aren't optimised to achieve quick and overwhelming victories, by, say, bombarding planets from space or by using massive air power and robot tanks and drones, but to maintain the political status quo, by creating as many veterans of grunt infantry combat as possible. The political control of the Citizens (veterans) depends on them being numerous, as living propagandists and office holders of the state. But for them to be numerous, not only does the Federation have to manufacture wars as often as possible, but it has to fight them in such a way as to produce lots of casualties, to keep public opinion impassioned in its patriotism and to create heroism narratives, and so as to prolong their wars, because war is the central raison d'etre of a fascist government. So it deliberately fights wars using huge numbers of grunts with small arms when there is no military reason to do so at all, and the fact that in the movie they are fighting an insectoid species or multi-species symbiosis which has a biological warrior caste highlights the fact that the Earth Federation has an ideological warrior caste, which technologically is completely superfluous. This contrasts with the technological load-out of the Mobile Infantry in Heinlein's book, where they have flying power armour and automatic grenade launchers, to allow them to win when badly outnumbered, because the training system is so brutal only a small fraction graduate to combat service, and Citizen rule is maintained by heavier indoctrination, as well as by the Citizens' capacity for violence after their service, and the military is kept at strength by a career length service term.
hazed 
the problem with SST is that it's so effective as satire that almost no one notices it.
Kenneth Ferland 
Verhoeven is indeed a genius and SST is literally an IQ test for the audience. Best scene is the point when the Brain bug is physically interrogated by Nazi Dugy Howser and he says "It's Afraid!" and everyone cheers. It just rings the total callousness and dehumanization of this society, the fact that the enemy is afraid is not considered a basis for mutual peace or understanding that the enemy is not an irredeemable soulless villain, it's just a exaltation of raw power.
Mr. SickNoodle 
I want to see paul veerhoven do a warhammer 40k movie. Warhammer is one half stupid cool sci fi nonsense and one half satire of all forms of totalitarianism. Hed be perfect.
Wednesday La Rocha 
I saw this movie as a kid and thought it was stupid and gross. I watched it recently, and now I think it’s one of the most brilliant films I’ve ever seen. Thanks 9-11👍
Yung Vulpix 
I'm doing my part! 🙋‍♀️
PaladinGuy 
Fun fact: Jake Busey is the voice of "The Radioman" in Spec Ops: The Line (2012).
RobotTed 
"It's afraid!" and they cheer. None of the humans ever show the slightest fear in the movie, except with one major exception, just unrelenting aggressivity of one form or another, perhaps with status anxiety at most. That really makes the movie overview clear. Could it be? The bugs are the good guys! No way. Fear is to be cherished? Or perhaps listened too. I'd love to hear the Chapos' take on Battlestar Galactica!
Dylan Sarabia 

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