Dirty sockpuppeteer makes local clown Breen look like a right amateur:https://yournz.org/2019/06/01/the-many-identities-of-marc-spring-include/
[I agree with the comment @ 8.1 that this is pointless abuse of another commenter. Please cut it out – Incognito]
Drowsy M. Kram8.1
Sacha, IMHO your comment @8 is a completely transparent attempt to smear another commenter. Recycling Pete George’s info as a disguise, you come across as an Emperor with no clothes. https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-01-06-2019/#comment-1623586Disappointing.Incognito8.2
See my Moderation note @ 8:14 PM.Sacha8.2.1
Noted. Tolerating multiple accounts by the same person is proven to erode any discussion space. If ignoring that is your official standard as moderators then the rest of us know where we sit. We all serve society to the best of our abilities.- To be fair, if the sock puppet appears via a VPN, moderators won't have a straightforward means of identifying it as a sock puppet and will presumably fall back on benefit of the doubt. Which is great for Mark Spring and other puppeteers, but doesn't leave the site moderators any better off. Vice versa also applies, eg a few weeks back we had multiple commenters declaring that OneTwo was a sock puppet of Phil Ure (someone I respect, fwiw), with the only similarity being over-use of ellipses. It's a thankless task, being a moderator.That said: totally a sock puppet, you bet.
- Without solid evidence, I won’t follow hunches or accusations from others except to keep an eye out for ‘dodgy’ behaviour and patterns. It is the behaviour that’s the issue, not the username or whoever is hiding behind it.
- Not sure what you’re alleging but if you can point me in the right direction, I’m happy to oblige. I’m allergic to folks who use sockpoppets to try and get around a (temporary) ban. You should know that there is no official standard here for moderators but we refer to the site’s policy from time to time. We all moderate in different ways. Occasionally, I do ask for advice from Lynn and MS, which I tend to follow
- Thank you. I understand the need to monitor for a while sometimes. This one is not banned. See this thread today with 3 duplicate identities, one of which ironically accused me above of smearing itself:https://thestandard.org.nz/tiananmen-squares-failed-revolution/#comment-1624643Spring is an exceptional cautionary example of the same behaviour and I had forgotten that Pete George had posted that list here already. Here’s how he described the guy’s tactics: https://yournz.org/2019/06/04/sprung-damaging-attack-tactics-of-marc-spring/I found that often here Spring was responding to his own comments under different identities to try to make it appear there was support for his accusations.Or maybe to feel less lonely, who knows?
McFlock8.2.1.2.1.1
Sadly, the question that must always be considered is whether the various handles are puppets of a single weirdo, or whether that's just wishful thinking to avoid the even more disappointing alternative…- So long as they do not talk with each other..
- Unrelatedly, this from the comments of that last post just extends the ick of the #dirtypolitics crew:Rewa Willis and Marc Spring are in a relationship
A cursory glance at their respect Facebook pages will confirm this
When Slater ran the attacks on the union guy from the port… Sherson Willis (the company with her name on the letterhead) were running Comms for Ports of Auckland. - Sacha, you appear to believe that there were "3 duplicate identities" commenting in yesterday's Tiananmen Square post:https://thestandard.org.nz/tiananmen-squares-failed-revolution/#comment-1624643To recap, in the June 1st OM, I engaged with McFlock in an 'Assange back-and-forth' that continued into June 2nd, and was disappointed when McFlock referred to Assange's seven year asylum as an "Ecuadorean Escapade", resorted to making a cat reference, and used an analogy that included the phrase "disease-encrusted rat of the sky". He may have been attempting to wind me up – we each have strongly held and largely incompatible views on Assange’s behaviour and treatment by ‘authorities’.Later, in the Tiananmen Square post, "Professor Longhair" @5.1.1.1.1 was attempting to wind up McFlock, and, when he apparently succeeded, I found that amusing, hence my comment "Heh." @5.1.1.1.1.2.Sacha, you then replied to me with the crytic comment "sock inception".I didn't fully understand that, but took it to be an insult or accusation, and fired back a couple of (humorously intended) rejoinders.Sacha, I'd appreciate it if you could clarify what you meant by "sock inception".
- Hardly cryptic.Sacha obviously has noted that three different handles all deliver the same flavour of vacuous bullshit, yours being one and pl being another. Thus when one responds to the other, it's layers over layers, like in the movieInception.It's not sacha's fault you're all identical wastes of space.
Andre…
You include DMK in with PL and the mozzie? Can't see it myself.First and foremost, DMK actually makes arguments, defends points, and is mostly rational. All of which are extremely rare to non-existent from PL and the mozzie.Next, DMK hardly ever indulges in ad homs. I can't bring a single instance to mind. That's a definite contrast to the mozzie.The only passing similarity I've noticed is a slight overuse of bold from DMK.- Yeah I think sacha has overstated the dmk connection. It's all supposition anyway.But dmk's faux "Ah do deklah, Ah have no ideah what you mean, suh" routine is a bit of an overlap with the other two, loltwo clones and a venn diagram, is my bet
- McFlock, if you and Sacha are of one mind, then thanks for confirming Sacha’s intent, as this allows me to conclude that they were incorrect.As one waste of space to another, being ignorant of the facts is no defence.Thanks Andre, I do try to avoid initiating ad homs, although I might occasionally be guilty of mirroring them.
- pseudonyms ensure ignorance of the facts are not just an excuse, but guaranteed.Sacha and I have differing opinions. I just found it funny you claimed difficulty understanding sacha's reference. Might be a generational thing, I guess.
- Tbh, often it’s simply a matter of ‘seeing what you want to see’ – definitely recognise that tendency in myself. To (re)quote Feynman:Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool.Glad to provide amusement, and thanks – have added "sock inception" to the glossary.
- Funny thing about Feynman: he often didn't really take his own advice.Another complicated person.
Morrissey
