Wednesday 5 December 2018

Farewell Obomber, you worthless POS. (Jan. 11, 2017)

  1. Full of incendiary anti-Russian rhetoric and selective morality,
    Hopey-Changey’s last hurrah is a model of hypocrisy and dishonesty.

    Chicago, Tuesday 10 December (U.S. time)
    I’ve just heard the man that Jim Mora calls “the greatest orator of our time” quoting Atticus Finch—the “walk a mile in someone’s shoes” quote from To Kill A Mockingbird. Incredibly, he doesn’t seem to realize that Atticus Finch could give Jeff Sessions a run for his money when it comes to bigotry. [1]
    Hopey-Changey’s brain-dead cheer squad didn’t seem to mind, though. These zombies even cheered when he boasted about how he’s “halved our dependence on foreign oil”—forgetting that he’s presided over a stratospheric increase in fracking, and has been a stubborn advocate of expanding nuclear energy production.
    He’s just spoken of “violent fanatics who claim to speak for Islam”, but said nothing about violent fanatics who claim to speak for Judaism, or Christianity. [2] Nor did he mention that for the last six years the United States has been supporting, in Syria, the most violent and fanatical of all the violent fanatics who claim to speak for Islam.
    He’s also just praised the “effectiveness of our law enforcement agencies”, as though all those police executions of unarmed black children across the United States had never happened. The crowd, which no doubt is largely comprised of self-described “liberals”, cheered even louder after that lie.
    • Paul15.1
      When did Jim Mora know anything?
      It’s quite sad listening to his fawning to the establishment.
    • red-blooded15.2
      Morrissey, have a look at the reply I gave you about Atticus Finch over in the other line where you posted this comment. Better still, read To Kill a Mockingbird (which is not the same book as Go Set a Watchman – hint, they have different titles – and does not feature the same character as the one who’s discussed in your link – that’s about a different book – an early draft that was abandoned and never intended for publication).
  2. Wainwright16
    Bill asked me to back up some opinions I had on this thread so I’ve done that. Here it is for the afternoon crowd.
    https://thestandard.org.nz/wikileaks-unravels/#comment-1285609
    OK Bill. There was no search button on the front page so I did some googling\
    You’ve dismissed any suggestion that the positive reporting coming out of Aleppo might be biased.
    https://thestandard.org.nz/voices-from-aleppo/#comment-1281037
    You’ve mocked images of a wounded child and reporting from inside Aleppo which didn’t match your narrative.
    https://thestandard.org.nz/the-propaganda-war/
    You’ve shrugged and said “Everyone’s bombing residential neighbourhoods” to avoid people talking about Russain atrocities
    https://thestandard.org.nz/the-propaganda-war/#comment-1239631
    You’ve denied that there’s civil war in Syria implying the only resistance to Assad is foreign fighters.
    https://thestandard.org.nz/the-propaganda-war/#comment-1239682
    But I apologize. I should obviously have said “I have the IMPRESSION you are actively whitewashing the brutality of Assad’s regime and implying that anyone who thinks he’s a genocidal monter is uninformed and brainwashed.” I’ll be more careful in future.
    • miravox16.1
      “I have the IMPRESSION you are actively whitewashing the brutality of Assad’s regime and implying that anyone who thinks he’s a genocidal mon[s]ter is uninformed and brainwashed”
      Thanks Wainwright. That turns out to have been a useful exercise. A nice little summary and I share your impression.
      • Morrissey16.1.1
        A nice little summary…
        Wainwright’s attack on Bill is actually a nasty little smear. He could be trying for a job with the DNC.
        …and I share your impression.
        No you don’t. You know Bill does not support Assad, just like “Wainwright” knows it.
        • miravox16.1.1.1
          “No you don’t. You know Bill does not support”
          IMO, you’ve just done something quite similar to what Wainwright was accused of which led to this summary – stating as a fact what what is actually your opinion about how I think.
          I certainly do share Wainwright’s impression. I interpreted Bill’s comments in a similar way to Wainwright at the time they were made, and have not seen anything since that has changed my mind.
          • Morrissey16.1.1.1.1
            You are a liar.
            [Relax MV has addressed the issue. No need for this – MS]
            • miravox16.1.1.1.1.1
              That’s harsh Morrissey… and wrong.
            • Morrissey16.1.1.1.1.2
              Sorry Miravox, I just fired it off without thinking. I know you’re not a liar. I was thoughtless and irresponsible to write it, and there’s no excuse.
              While you’re there, Mickey, I’ve just had two messages for the “Obama’s last Speech” adulation thread bounced. I did not swear or engage in the sort of ad hom. nonsense that I unleashed on poor old Miravox.
              So why am I being bounced? I presume you are not the one doing it.
              [Nothing in the pending comments list. Will check – MS]
              • Morrissey
                [Nothing in the pending comments list. Will check – MS]
                Thanks Bill. This feels really sinister. I posed four serious questions to Sacha, asking her to defend her contention that old Hopey Changey had made an “inspiring” speech in Chicago.
                Looks like either she’s not up to the challenge of responding or someone is stomping on our right to politely and intelligently dissent.
                [there were 2 comments in the Trash, I’ve released them now. Nothing nefarious, it happens randomly, to many of us, including authors. You’ve been here long enough to know this Morrissey, so stop with the conspiracy stuff please – weka]
                • Wainwright
                  All my comments got put into pending because Bill didn’t like what I said. Do I get to imply there’s a dark conspiracy of Standard authors suppressing the truth too? 🙄
                  [all your comments got put into Pending because you accused an author of something they didn’t do. That’s premoderation and it’s one of the tools at a moderator’s disposal to make moderating easier and to teach commenters where the boundaries. Can you please reread the Policy, because it states clearly that it’s not ok to attack authors. Stop and think about it. If we moderated based on dislike, between the groups of us most comments would disappear. While we are all broadly on the left, there is a large range of views and opinions held by authors who moderate.
                  Sometimes people’s comments go into moderation randomly, but it’s amazing to me how many people assume something nefarious is going on despite it regularly being pointed out that this happens. I’m now putting you back in premoderation until I can see you’ve acknowledged this comment – weka]
                  • Wainwright
                    Yes weka, I know. That was my point. Sometimes comments go into moderation. Morrisey’s the one trying to paint himself as the Edward Snowden of the Standard.
                    • weka
                      Did you see my point about your comments about Bill? He didn’t moderate you based on ‘like’. This is an important point.
                    • Wainwright
                      I already apologised for it. I guess I’ll do it again. Bill moderated me for making a direct statement instead of making it clear I was stating an opinion that my impression is he obfuscates criticism of Assad’s regime. He also doesn’t “like” my opinion but has not moderated me for it. Message received.
                      [You still don’t get it, offer up half arsed ‘apologies’ and (I noticed way after the fact) took the opportunity to launch some smart arsed/half arsed attack on an Open Mike after someone else had prematurely released you from your first stint in pre-mod. Anyway…] – Bill
                      [I wasn’t asking you to apologise Wainwright, I wanted to know if you would acknowledge why you were moderated. It might not seem important to you, but there is a line around criticising moderators and you stepped over it. I thought you did well to back up why you said what you did originally but still apologise, I just wanted to be sure you understood where the line is. Suffice to say that moderator patience is wearing thin at the moment, so how about making our job easier? Out of premod now – weka]
                • Morrissey
                  Thanks very much, weka. I thought I was being a bit paranoid—and it turns out I was.
              • miravox
                All good – apology accepted.
        • Wainwright16.1.1.2
          Never said Bill “supported” Assad.
  3. Ad17
    The full transcript of Obama’s farewell speech:
    I would love to hear any New Zealand politician make a set piece speech as good as this.
    • Morrissey17.1
      “As good as this?” What part did you like best?—The incendiary and hypocritical goading of Russia? The praising of U.S. “law enforcement” officers? The blather about “violent fanatics” that he has armed and diplomatically supported in Syria since 2011?
      Your comment, analysis-free as it is, shows nothing more than cultural cringe and an alarming susceptibility to soaring bloviation.
      • Brutus Iscariot17.1.1
        I assume he meant in the gravitas and delivery. US politics has a certain pomp and dignity to it (most of the time).
        Contrast to the Key/Cunliffe debate.
        “Naaa, ya with Dotcom”
      • The thing is, Morrissey, a lot of other people actually get the concept that a president or prime minister represents everybody in their country, that not all of those people share Morrissey’s opinions, and that the president/pm must nevertheless address his speeches to all of them. Perhaps if you write to him he’ll write you a speech that’s carefully tailored to your own opinions, but I wouldn’t get your hopes up.
        • Red17.1.2.1
          Stop talking sense
        • Ad17.1.2.2
          Morrissey has a North Shore cliff with a favourite spot that he gets to declaim in the evening to all the fallen gods and prepare great idealistic worlds for himself to live in. If only his genius were understood.
        • Morrissey17.1.2.3
          …and that the president/pm must nevertheless address his speeches to all of them.
          Imagine if instead of embarking on another anti-Russian rant like he did, and canting about “values” and heaping praise, without any discernible irony, on American “law enforcement”, Obama had actually DONE something meaningful, like dropping all charges against Edward Snowden, and releasing—immediately, with compensation—Chelsea Manning.
      • Ad17.1.3
        Morrissey you are the left’s worst misanthrope.
        Why not just shut yourself down for election year and come back once there’s a result later in the year. Save yourself the grief.
      • Ad17.1.4
        You should check yourself for soaring bloviation before you start accusing anyone else.
    • stunned mullet17.2
      Lange was the most recent NZ politician to impress as an orator, since then no one has really stood out.
      • Morrissey17.2.1
        He was a better speaker than Obama.
        • Ad17.2.1.1
          Lange survived on a few bon mots and some native cunning.
          He couldn’t hold a candle to a single Obama set piece.
          • weka17.2.1.1.1
            I’m sure having a team of professional speech writers with plenty of time to spend on the speech helps.
            • Clump_AKA Sam17.2.1.1.1.1
              Of course we know now if a noble peace prize winner says no more war, he’s wrong
              • weka
                You want to extrapolate Obama’s actions/words out to all Nobel Prize winners?
                • Clump_AKA Sam
                  Prior to 2008 they where all correct. After that they where all dead wrong
                  • Clump_AKA Sam
                    Obama’s handlers presented him as a blank slate, in other words you can write what ever you like. There are a few slogans, hope/unity/change, now write down what ever you like in between. It does arouse enthusiasm and we can understand why. More than 80% of the population thinks America and the world are going the wrong way. For most people in the US in the last 40 years it’s been a hard hard battle you can’t underestimate. And it’s a rich country which isn’t like living in Southern Africa but real wages declined for 40 years. There’s growth but it’s being hoarded by very few pockets. Health care/Benefits/wages have declined, this isn’t the work of a Nobel peace prize winner, this is the work of a charlatan. There isn’t anything to show for it other than keeping subsidising private inefficiencies.
                    There is tremendous dissatisfaction with institutions and that’s generalised right across the world. There’s a lot of talk about labour low poll ratings but parliament poll ratings is lower. In fact all institutions are not trusted and disliked. There is a sense everything is going wrong. So when you say hope/unity/change and talk eloquently and so on. Herd it all a million times
  4. Morrissey18
    Reasons to be glad that Hopey-Changey’s leaving
    No. 1: No more of Samantha Power’s hypocritical cant.
  5. Xanthe20
    I thought she put a very different viewpoint, that really made me see it differently, somehow nnon confrontational, i was moved somewhat.
  6. Pat21
    the life of an American public servant would appear to be an unhappy one as of 1/21/2017
  7. Pat22
    more stirling work by Gordon Campbell….
    ‘Keep Kansas in mind this year when our politicians begin to try to sell the notion that tax cuts are a responsible form of economic management. They’re not. They’re a bag of sweets, a bribe to win your vote. Beyond the sugar hit, they’ll do nothing to fix the problems facing the country, and will also do nothing to make this country safer or more prosperous for your kids.”
    good advice ……we don’t need any more type2 diabetes.

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