- Yes I was listening to that. Mr Bell also had his usual rant about the Greens
Can’t say that I am going to continue listening to the right wing rants on “afternoons” for too much longer- Agreed.
- “I would advise people not to listen to any political statements, and instead listen to what John Key is saying.”Just about stabbed myself in the eye when I heard that.
- You have to admire the ironic beauty of the statement though. Classic.
- Yep, Gibson went down a whole bunch of notches at that utterance, in mine own eye…
- Poor old Nev used to sell Marxist papers as a young man, like our own ideologists here he stayed true to being an ideologue, merely changing horses. They are quite similar really.
- @ Ennui.
Yep, I’ve come across quite a few of ‘them’ (half my vintage at Onslow College in fact).
I suspect Jim Mora is one of ‘them’ as well. I often wonder what causes the shift. The only thing I can think of is …… comfort, camplacency, laziness.- I think it is mainly lazy thinking and a lack of breadth on which to base rational argument. If you begin with a stance using rational thinking without examining the base you start from you can prove anything…really does not matter whether you are using the materialist dialectic of Marx or Freidmans greed is good….both are perfectly cogent and please lazy minds. Both are of course nonsensical fantasies.
- >>NOELLE McCARTHY: [clearly horrified] What are the implications of the asset sales?
BREIVIK GIBSON: Oh, NONE WHATSOEVER! The government will still be owning fifty-one per cent.EG Contact energy price fell 3% on the news that Rio might pull out.Obviously Gibson doesn’t understand how the the market works.
- When you look at some of Labours recent political statements it almost holds water.
They seem to be oppose no matter what, even if this in direct contridiction to policy. It does give the impression that they are talking rubbish to score cheap points or they don’t really believe in the policies they have… I can’t tell which…I did watch Russel Norman on the tv3 this morning and he certainly comes across well and he was far from completely negative, instead talking about what the Greens would have done and why the Nat’s had gone about things the wrong way. Very engaging and beleivable IMHO- I seem to remember Key doing much the same thing though cricklewood. Everything Labour was doing was wrong and wrecking the economy. He was going to bring in policies to stop Kiwis leaving for Australia, raise income levels here to Australian levels, not increase GST and so on. Brighter future my ass. That’s what’s making things so difficult for the voters. Both the Nats and Labour will say anything to get elected but after that they turn out to have no idea of what they’re doing.
- I agree, but I do think it looks ridiculous to send out press statements that directly contradict your own written policy. I would even say it is very poor strategy for an opposition party.Whilst in 2008 National were negative they didn’t contradict their own policy (they didn’t actually have much just tax cuts and vacuous statements like those you mentioned) once in power they raised gst took a hit for it and managed to do a convincing enough job to deflect most of the blame.All Labour are doing at present is opening themselves up for free hits…
- Morrissey
A great report on the Panel. I wondered who that Islay McLeod was – Jim Mora doesn’t bother to tell us who his panellists are or their backgrounds. Talking about the weather authoritatively obviously would ensure great ability to talk about anything authoritatively. Everyone should know all these public figures who are his guests I suppose. I don’t spend much time with tv or Jim Mora so don’t know all the talking heads there. (Though John Campbell on tv sounds worth following.) - I was appalled at the way Lianne Dalziel was dismissed by the panel. She was asked what she would do differently and when she tried to answer was cut off.
- “The Panel” is a hand picked lot by Mora and his staff, merely there to gossip drivel about topics, to make them look trivial and irrelevant. It is nothing much serious about “the panel”, and Mora seems to get the same mouthpieces again and again. Picking Farrar shows his own bias.Farrar is clearly a propagandist operator for the Nats, and he makes no secret of it.Similarly the “political commentators” that Kathryn Ryan picks for each Monday late morning debate are equally selected. Williams is not Labour as the members would like it, he is an establishment person. And Hooton and Off, yes, that speaks for itself. He is like Farrar just another propagandist for National. Political commentators should not have any party affiliation and should be independent journalists or whatever, NOT pollies or former pollies or their mouth pieces.RNZ is at a sell out level and losing credit by the day.
Is The Panel making us stupid?
Radio NZ National, Tuesday 2 April 2013
Noelle McCarthy, Graham Bell, Islay McLeod
—ISLAY McLEOD
GRAHAM BELL: Our greatest singer-songwriters have to be Neil Finn and Dave Dobbyn.
ISLAY McLEOD: Don McGlashan?
GRAHAM BELL: Yes, he’s good.
NOELLE McCARTHY: All right, time for the Soapbox, where we find out about what our Panelists have been thinking about. Islay, would you like to go first?
NOELLE McCARTHY: [tones of mock sympathy] Mmmmmm, mmmmm.
GRAHAM BELL: [warming to his task] And one more thing! The murder of George Taiaroa. The investigation into this has been hindered by the media chasing rumors. It’s so frustrating. Very frustrating! It causes nothing but problems!
NOELLE McCARTHY: Complicates things all round.
GRAHAM BELL: YES IT DOES! Some of the stuff you see on some of these forums [sic]. Just such nonsense! But that’s the world we live in.
ISLAY McLEOD: And, similarly, there have been all sorts of rumors about the bashing of Jesse Ryder. [She vents about the bail laws.]
NOELLE McCARTHY: Islay McLeod and Graham Bell at a quarter to five. The Green Party says that, with the Rio Tinto stand-off over the electricity price, the Government has to stop the asset sales.
BELL: Easy for the Opposition to criticize. But what would THEY do?
McLEOD: We should call Rio Tinto’s bluff!
BELL: Exactly!
NOELLE McCARTHY: [unimpressed] Hmmm. Nevil Gibson is the editor of the National Business Review. He joins us now to discuss this. Good afternoon Nevil.
BREIVIK GIBSON: Good afternoon Noelle!
NOELLE McCARTHY: [clearly horrified] What are the implications of the asset sales?
BREIVIK GIBSON: Oh, NONE WHATSOEVER! The government will still be owning fifty-one per cent.
NOELLE McCARTHY: [shaken and disturbed] Nevil Gibson, thank you.
GRAHAM BELL: [slowly, with gravitas] Yes. I think so.
KEN RINTOUL: Good afternoon.
NOELLE McCARTHY: Tell us about Focus New Zealand, your new party.
KEN RINTOUL: Ummmm. Ahhhhh. Okay! [Mr Rintoul sets off on a wandery and confused speech making it clear to anybody with any common sense—not Graham Bell—that he is to the right of Genghis Khan, but lacks the astuteness of Rodney Hide, the charm of David Garrett or the electability of Don Brash. When he finishes his confused spiel, there is an awkward silence for several seconds.]
ISLAY McLEOD: It all just seems a little bit… fairytale to me.
KEN RINTOUL: Oh, okay, ummm.
NOELLE McCARTHY: [gently] Ken Rintoul, thank you.