tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-91826193946371396562024-03-16T00:18:17.394-07:00The Breen ReportMorrissey Breenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16073134547095129808noreply@blogger.comBlogger1296125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182619394637139656.post-74498116226663530572024-02-02T01:23:00.000-08:002024-02-02T01:23:10.094-08:00'I Totally Support The Houthis, As A Jew’ - Norman Finkelstein<b>"If IsraeIis don't want to be accused of being like the Naz1s, they simply need to stop behaving like Naz1s."
- Norman Finkelstein</b>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPwGRpkyDSoMorrissey Breenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16073134547095129808noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182619394637139656.post-19739444023191685942024-02-01T23:18:00.000-08:002024-02-01T23:18:06.904-08:0021 years on, Kim Hill looks even more ignoranthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzSTY4IRDnMMorrissey Breenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16073134547095129808noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182619394637139656.post-84457147500346896732024-02-01T20:30:00.000-08:002024-02-01T20:30:31.155-08:00Oppressive and biased "moderation" continues to make The Standard an unattractive and sparsely attended site<b>You're banned! And you! And you! And you!</b>
Posted by <b>Morrissey</b><iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Morrissey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 31, 2024, 2:44 am
<b>The proprietor (Lin Prent) and his sidekick "weka" are banning people, and handing out condescending lectures, as fast as they can at New Zealand's "liberal" (i.e. authoritarian) blog... </b>
https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-31-01-2024/#comment-1987399
<b>This writer, i.e. moi, copped a seven-weeker last Wednesday:</b>
https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-22-01-2024/#comment-1986220
<b>It wasn't my first....</b>
https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2020/05/a-large-no-of-hits-for-morrissey-banned.html
https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/search?q=weka
<b>I'm also banned from the extreme right sites, which are actually not much different from The Standard....</b>
https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2020/05/morrissey-banned-on-kiwiblog-about-322.html
<b>One James Thrace gives a nice summary of the zeitgeist at that dismal site.</b>
Posted by Morrissey<iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Morrissey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 31, 2024, 9:40 pm, in reply to "You're banned! And you! And you! And you!"
<b>James Thrace</b> 4.2.1
1 February 2024 at 12:18 am
Johnr – because LPrent owns the standard he considers it gives him absolute license to be abusive and small minded and be a bully to people on here, which is totally against the rules here.
however, none of the mods pull him up against it no matter how much they tell other commentators not to bully or use diminishing words against others.
I don’t particularly pay any attention to what Lynn says because he’s just a grumpy old fuck that thinks because the standard is “his site” he can go ahead and abuse others with impunity.
but between him, advantage, and weka, the standard has become far less enjoyable as a forum for a free exchange of ideas with differences of opinions being thrashed out openly using education, exploration, and elimination.
it’s a crying shame really. From the valuable asset it was in 2008 when a free exchange of ideas was allowed whereas on red alert it was shut down, to weka’s indiscriminate bans on everybody interesting because they didn’t link to stuff/nzh, the standard has become a place of groupthink where only happy ideas can be raised.
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<b>roblogic</b> 4.2.1.1
1 February 2024 at 5:53 am
wrong – there is plenty of diverse opinion around here. bans are generally handed out after a pattern of repeated antisocial behaviour – some things cause discussion to break down
of course it aint perfect because there are humans involved
'groupthink'; 'grumpy' – well yeah it's a left-wing forum facing a right wing government that is hell-bent on demolishing the social fabric and inciting racial divisions
some examples would be nice… there was some strife during Covid when one (ex)-moderator went anti-vax and got frustrated with everyone constantly rebutting his ‘facts’ so he’s not around much anymore…
https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-31-01-2024/#comment-1987508
Here's their worst "moderator" wielding the hammer in 2021...
Posted by Morrissey<iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Morrissey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2024, 3:05 am, in reply to "One James Thrace gives a nice summary of the zeitgeist at that dismal site."
https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-22-01-2021/#comment-1775597
Morrissey Breenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16073134547095129808noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182619394637139656.post-66075706539471042102020-07-19T14:55:00.002-07:002020-07-19T14:55:44.826-07:00“Ahhh, the daily update on the flag referendum.” (Sept. 15, 2015)<div class="comment even thread-even depth-1 Morrissey-ignore" id="comment-1071090" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border-radius: 6px; border: thin solid lightgrey; margin: 6px 0px 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 10px; vertical-align: baseline; zoom: 1;">
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-15092015/#comment-1071090" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">15 September 2015 at 4:45 pm</a></div>
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<b style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border-image-outset: initial; border-image-repeat: initial; border-image-slice: initial; border-image-source: initial; border-image-width: initial; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">More insulting crap on <i style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border-image-outset: initial; border-image-repeat: initial; border-image-slice: initial; border-image-source: initial; border-image-width: initial; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">The Panel</i> today:<br />“Ahhh, the daily update on the flag referendum.”</b><br />Radio NZ National, Tuesday 15 September 2015<br />Jim Mora, Mark Inglis, Ellen Read, Julie Moffett</div>
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At 3:45, host Jim Mora runs through the menu for the program, which includes the enticing regular item: “….ahhh, the daily update on the flag referendum. There’s ALWAYS something new about that….”</div>
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Mora, or his producers, make a point of avoiding serious topics which people actually care about, such as the Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement. But he, or his producers, have made a point of talking about the flag referendum every day for months now.</div>
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That dedication to triviality perfectly illustrates why <i style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border-image-outset: initial; border-image-repeat: initial; border-image-slice: initial; border-image-source: initial; border-image-width: initial; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">The Panel</i> has lost all claims to credibility it might have once had.</div>
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Morrisey,</div>
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Have you ever worried that your obsession with the Panel is unhealthy? Maybe you should do something else between 3:45 and 5:00.</div>
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Thanks for your concern, my friend. I don’t actually listen to it EVERY day, and I only transcribe snatches of it occasionally. I’m not quite as obsessive as it might appear.</div>
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Mind you, that’s exactly what an obsessive person would say, isn’t it. Oh my God, LOOK at me….</div>
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Get a dog. Take it for a walk.</div>
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Gormless, Morrissey’ll be at your kennel within the hour……do you want him to use your lead or should he bring one with him ? Hope you’re registered…….</div>
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One of the highlights on The Standard in my opinion and I hope he keeps writing about it.</div>
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I enjoy Morrissey’s transcripts.</div>
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Entertaining.</div>
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“inane”</div>
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like this pathetic piece by Key butt-kisser Matthew Hooton on the flag<br /><a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/284285/better-to-wait-than-botch-it" rel="nofollow ugc" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/284285/better-to-wait-than-botch-it</a></div>
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What bit don’t you agree with?</div>
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I agree with what you say mr matthew</div>
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Except this bit … “Mr Key is the most brilliant political tactician in a generation ”</div>
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Everyone says that about every PM who makes it to three terms. The last PM Helen Clark was called the most brilliant political tactician. It is like every few years it is shouted that the current ABs are the best ever. Like McCaw is the best captain ever. Like our farmers are the best in the world. Like we are the greenest in the world. Like Lydia Ko should become a dame already.</div>
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my 2c on the flag says dump all the colonial reference, the crown reference, te tiriti reference, dump all that baggage. Reason being it excludes huge and growing swathes of our communities. The flag should reference the land only and people generally, not specifically. Red peak suits this to an extent – the 4 finalists do not.</div>
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further 2c says the silver fern is a feather.</div>
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the whole world will see a feather Matthew – why is this reality ignored?</div>
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for this reason the silver fern is, or should be, doomed to be dumped. The silver feather is good on the corporate sports organisations uniforms and should remain there, plus on boxes of butter and apples, but that is the extent of it</div>
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You read the mood right there.<br />Rugby World Cup hasn’t generated sufficient momentum for it, and it’s a fleeting moment.<br />As for “most brilliant political tactician in a generation”, fully agree. Key makes Clark look bubbly, bumbly and frivolous in comparison. And I still prefer her to him.</div>
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the most brilliant political tactician ever who totally misread the love of the nation for the silver fern on black…</div>
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by most brilliant do you mean able to successfully lie time and time again and still be popular?</div>
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It was not a compliment.</div>
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glad to hear it.</div>
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David Shearer isn’t Jesus? No sh*t, Sherlock</h1>
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I’m absolutely certain that Scott Yorke was not thinking of me when he wrote <a href="http://www.imperatorfish.com/2013/01/the-post-i-never-posted.html" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 16.002px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">The Post I Never Posted</a>.</div>
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I don’t believe I’m personally on his radar. I think he’s responding to a wider trend of Shearer-critical posts, predominantly at The Standard.</div>
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And I can see how people who are Labour supporters are getting a little annoyed with the constant pointing out of Shearer’s many clear failings. Look, people, we’ve already explained six times that he can’t answer basic questions about his political ideas in clear complete sentences, do we really need to go for round 7?</div>
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And I was feeling all warm and charitable about the broad variety of opinions on the New Zealand left, and how wonderful it is that we have so many leftie bloggers who can put their arguments forward for wider discussion.</div>
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And then I got to this sentence.</div>
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And even if I was wrong on that point, I went on to write, David Shearer was still not the best man for the job, because he had failed to demonstrate an ability to walk on water or bring the dead back to life.</div>
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How droll. Scott thinks we Shearer-critics are unrealistic, over-demanding, petulant children who expect the leader of the parliamentary Labour Party to be not just the perfect politician, but messianic.</div>
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It would be a super-cutting little barb if it bore any resemblance to reality. If, say, Shearer had blown the political debate wide open with his first big policy speech, taking the fight straight to John Key, if whoever the Labour Education spokesperson is/was had claimed the easily-findable scalp of Hekia Parata. If, say, Labour were still only at 30-odd in the polls, but this was clearly down to a set of un-Shearer-related botches, like Shane Jones getting caught using taxpayer money for porn. Again. And it was Sea Shepherd-themed.</div>
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Basically, if Shearer had turned out to be a fantastic, charismatic, visionary, inspiring leader, but Labour was still doing poorly in the polls because a lot of its MPs are complete muppets … then someone like Scott might very well have a good point to make about criticisms of Shearer being based on unrealistic expectations.</div>
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Here’s what I hoped – I won’t say “expected”, since he was such an unknown quantity at the time of his election to the parliamentary Labour leader position – of David Shearer.</div>
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Phil Goff was actually a damn fine speaker when he was on form, but on TV he just had an unfortunately grumpy-looking face. Then someone worked magic behind the scenes during the 2011 campaign and he figured out how to smile. Apparently this someone is no longer employed by the Labour parliamentary office.</div>
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I understand that I’m a big scary ranty feminist with big scary feminist political goals (like SHOCK HORROR comprehensive sex education!) I do understand that mainstream party leaders cannot actually go on Campbell Live and say “First thing I’m going to do is make abortion legal, free and available in every town in New Zealand.”</div>
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What I feel it was entirely reasonable to expect, though? A big, sexy commitment to a guaranteed living wage. To a 40 hour working week. To expanding Kiwibank, or offering a public option for KiwiSaver, to crack down on Aussie banks who don’t pay tax and millionaires who hide their assets in trusts.</div>
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What we got was analogies about lazy roof-painters not pulling their weight.</div>
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Instead, a damn fine spokesperson and one of the most competent (one might almost say one of the <em style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; font-size: 16.002px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">only</em> competent) frontbench MPs gets paddled over a non-coup … and Shane Jones shits all over the Green Party while Clare Curran antagonises the biggest online ally the party has.</div>
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Remember how David Shearer completely caned John Key over the Christchurch school closures debacle? That was totally awesome! … Wait, the dude with the big ears who says “marvellous” all the time isn’t David Shearer? He’s a journalist, you say? Well damn.</div>
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And yes, I would’ve liked a giant, fluorescent shift to the left, some repudiation of previous shitty Labour policies, even the slightest glimmer of acknowledgement that the Waitakere Myth was a stupid basis for policy, but guess what, people, the fact I say “fuck” a fuck of a lot doesn’t actually mean I’m a totally unreasonable echo-chamber-constructing bitch.</div>
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What I really wanted David Shearer to do, was show he understood that in the first year of a big, public, direction-setting role like leading the parliamentary Labour Party, you need to make an impact. You need to put your mark on the situation. You need to show you have a reason to be there which isn’t “keep the member for Hutt South in bike pants” and a passion for the job. Please note: constantly using the phrase “I have a passion for this job” is just breaking the cardinal rule of show, don’t tell.</div>
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For any of the above to be the political equivalent of “walking on water” I must actually be situated on another planet, like Mars. Where the water is frozen damn solid for a lot of the time. What I’m saying is, it’s not hard. Unlike the water.</div>
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And the only “dead” that Shearer was meant to bring back to life was Labour’s poll ratings. Given the performance of the government in recent times, Labour clawing its way <a href="http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2012/12/18/ho-ho-ho-heres-a-poll-chart/" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 16.002px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">back </a>to its crushing <a href="http://www.elections.org.nz/elections/resultsdata/2008-election-official-results.html" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 16.002px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">2008 defeat</a> levels of support is barely a flicker in Lazarus’ eye.</div>
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What’s super-ironic is that the most recent example of Shearer-pedestal-setting I’ve seen comes from … still-a-Shearer-fan Mike Smith, <a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-07012013/#comment-570251" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 16.002px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">quoted by Colonial Viper at The Standard</a>:</div>
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Labour’s new leader promised a fresh approach. He’s delivered already in his speech in reply today. Gone is the ritual opening denunciation of the government’s programme – Shearer begins with where a new Labour government would start.</div>
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He puts Labour firmly on the path to winning in 2014 – the intention is clearly stated and the programme for the clean, green and clever New Zealand is exactly the right one. He understands what New Zealanders expect of their MPs. It’s a very good start.</div>
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I never expected Shearer to be the messiah of the Labour Party. Other people told us he would be, but I am nothing if not a cynic.</div>
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I just wanted a leader.</div>
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Apparently this was far too much of me to ask.</div>
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/david-shearer-isnt-jesus-no-sht-sherlock/#comment-571508" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">9 January 2013 at 7:14 pm</a></div>
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well, David Cunliffe is a friend of mine, Jeremiah was…a…bullfrog…</div>
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/david-shearer-isnt-jesus-no-sht-sherlock/#comment-571512" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">9 January 2013 at 7:26 pm</a></div>
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QoT, you had me at</div>
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the fact I say “fuck” a fuck of a lot doesn’t actually mean I’m a totally unreasonable echo-chamber-constructing bitch.</div>
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/david-shearer-isnt-jesus-no-sht-sherlock/#comment-571526" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">9 January 2013 at 7:53 pm</a></div>
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Little question for you, QOT…<br /><a href="http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Whores.+No+doubt+about+it_f15a7e_3930437.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Whores.+No+doubt+about+it_f15a7e_3930437.jpg</a></div>
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/david-shearer-isnt-jesus-no-sht-sherlock/#comment-571528" style="background: transparent; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">9 January 2013 at 8:00 pm</a></div>
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Say what? What’s the question? Where?</div>
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/david-shearer-isnt-jesus-no-sht-sherlock/#comment-571530" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">9 January 2013 at 8:02 pm</a></div>
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Morrissey, it’s so helpful when you post showing how truly misogynistic you are. Sometimes you post things on ts that are very interesting, but let’s not forget exactly where you stand with regards to the politics of women and women’s sexuality in particular.</div>
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Also of note is that you’ve forgotten that it’s against ts rules to attack authors esp in their own threads.</div>
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I have no idea what Morrissey’s link is about. It just takes me to a page full of thumbnails. It certainly doesn’t have anything to do with Shearer, a fresh Labour Party start, or a left wing Messiah.</div>
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And, in response to QOT’s post: has there been a post lately of any substance that supports Shearer, other than he’s the lesser of evils and we should all show solidarity? Any rebuttals of the criticisms that QOT reprises in her post?</div>
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The Shearer support seems to focus on things marginal to these criticisms, or general expressions of optimism for the future of the party.</div>
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Morrisey’s link seems to have taken him straight to WhaleSpew, where he’s now settling in with the good ol’ boys. It took me to a page of thumbnails which I can’t make any sense of whatsoever.</div>
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That happened when I was using Chrome. When I copied and pasted to a firefox browser, the link opened fine to the dreaded piece of drearily unfunny, unwitty piece of misogyny.</div>
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Maybe it would help if you typed things out, Morrissey, instead of posting broken links to Funnyjunk. Or would that just prove Colonial Weka’s warning about attacking authors correct?</div>
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The link works for me. It’s a jpeg of an online postcard (someecards.com). It has a picture of two women from the 1800s. One is in bed, looking chastised and afraid. The other is a nurse I guess, and is sitting on the bed admonishing the first woman. The nurse is saying:</div>
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“Did it hurt you when you fell off the whore tree and banged every guy on the way down?”</div>
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I’m in two minds. On the one hand, this is such a misogynistic piece of shit post from Morrissey, that denigrates women in so many tired old ways, and is aimed at QoT in particular. It also looks like an out and out attempt at flaming. On the other hand, it’s a very useful post that we can refer back to every time Morrissey engages in his dubious sexual politics and hatred of women.</div>
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It’s definitely a dilemma. Tell you what, I’ll give Morrissey a little warning, but leave this one up there. And bookmark it for future reference.</div>
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Try this link, and feel free to remove this post as appropriate.</div>
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/david-shearer-isnt-jesus-no-sht-sherlock/#comment-571555" style="background: transparent; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">9 January 2013 at 8:53 pm</a></div>
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Ah, yes. The bonus lulz of Morrissey’s post: linking to Funnyjunk, a site containing no original content, instead of the actual source material.</div>
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11 out of 10 for being a dick.</div>
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stay classy.</div>
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P.S please stop spamming the open mike threads and crawl back under a rock.</div>
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Oh, the link works if I copy & paste to firefox, but on chrome it doesn’t.</div>
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Unbelievable. I’m just staggered at the total lack of relevance for this post, compounding the misogyny.</div>
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The questions are all for Morrissey to answer.</div>
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The relevance, slight as it is, Karol, is that QoT has called me a “rape apologist” because I refuse to join the British Government-led lynch-mob baying after Julian Assange. I took the opportunity to have a dig at her. Yes, you’re right, it is offensive, and I’ll apologize to QoT just as soon as she apologizes to me for her far disgusting accusation.</div>
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It is misogynistic, and I apologize to anyone who was offended by it—as opposed to the faux-outrage concocted by our foul-mouthed friend.</div>
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Hardly substantial questions, Karol; I put up a nasty little graphic link to take the wind out of the sails of a pirate ship, and I apologize to anyone, including yourself obviously, who was offended.</div>
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Problem is, you ARE a rape apologist, whereas QoT isn’t a Bad Woman if she sleeps with lots of people or not, so whatever you were attempting (and god knows it’s a convoluted and probably disturbed mind that might begin to understand that), your explanation doesn’t stack up.</div>
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I’m of one mind now. This thread is now about to be derailed. Which I assume is/was your intent. People have been banned for lesser attacks on authors than this. It’s tempting to go with the whole let’s prove that Morrissey is a rape apologist, again, but today’s thread by QoT is so excellent it really doesn’t deserve that.</div>
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/david-shearer-isnt-jesus-no-sht-sherlock/#comment-571602" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">9 January 2013 at 9:57 pm</a></div>
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Sorry QoT, just saw your invitation. I’ll stop poking him now.</div>
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No worries.</div>
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‘anyone who is offended’ is a faux apology. I hate that. At least have the guts to say ‘all who were offended’ because it’s clear people actually were offended.</div>
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Antisemitic, misogynistic, what next?</div>
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/david-shearer-isnt-jesus-no-sht-sherlock/#comment-571580" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">9 January 2013 at 9:28 pm</a></div>
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I’d wager he’s not all that keen on gay dudes either, but it’s just a hunch.</div>
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/david-shearer-isnt-jesus-no-sht-sherlock/#comment-571584" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">9 January 2013 at 9:34 pm</a></div>
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I sensed as much – see you all in the death camp, guys.</div>
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Another swing and a miss. You’re not clever enough to do this, my friend. You just look desperate.</div>
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I admit my nasty little message to QOT was unacceptable, but you are going way out on a limb. You know, I’m sure, that there’s a special place in Hell for Malicious Liars.</div>
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Nah, I don’t think I’m far off the mark. The various strains of bigotry tend to be found in close proximity to one another.</div>
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Wrong.</div>
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True, it was a nasty little link. I’ve just apologized to people of good faith who were offended by it. That obviously excludes you.</div>
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When your fertile brain starts fertilising, who knows what nonsense it will come up with?</div>
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I’m sorry, but when I see a writhing pile of maggots, I feel an irresistible compulsion to poke the festering mess with a stick. To that end, these lyrics by your namesake:</div>
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We hate it when our friends become successful<br />We hate it when our friends become successful<br />Oh, look at those clothes<br />Now look at that face, it’s so old<br />And such a video !<br />Well, it’s really laughable<br />Ha, ha, ha …</div>
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We hate it when our friends become successful<br />And if they’re Northern, that makes it even worse<br />And if we can destroy them<br />You bet your life we will<br />Destroy them<br />If we can hurt them<br />Well, we may as well …<br />It’s really laughable<br />Ha, ha, ha …</div>
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You see, it should’ve been me<br />It could’ve been me<br />Everybody knows<br />Everybody says so</div>
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/david-shearer-isnt-jesus-no-sht-sherlock/#comment-571578" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">9 January 2013 at 9:26 pm</a></div>
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I don’t get the joke, Morrissey. I mean I understand that it’s a variation on an older witticism, cleverly playing on double meaning of “bang”, but I don’t get why it fits this situation.</div>
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Is it because QoT is a woman?</div>
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/david-shearer-isnt-jesus-no-sht-sherlock/#comment-571589" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">9 January 2013 at 9:40 pm</a></div>
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What? You think <b style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">that</b> is the reason why she is baying for Assange’s blood? I think a more convincing explanation lies in the fact that she hasn’t done any serious reading on the case, and hasn’t a clue what she’s talking about.</div>
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/david-shearer-isnt-jesus-no-sht-sherlock/#comment-571596" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">9 January 2013 at 9:52 pm</a></div>
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/david-shearer-isnt-jesus-no-sht-sherlock/#comment-571606" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">9 January 2013 at 10:02 pm</a></div>
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Eh? Are you criticising me for not picking up that you were banging on about Assange? Even though there was <i style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">literally nothing</i> in the post <i style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">or</i> in your “joke” that had anything to do with Assange?</div>
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Starting to get a picture of how your mind works though. You’re quite the creepy little stalker, Mozzy.</div>
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Yeah, you’re right, Felix, it did come out of left field a bit.</div>
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I guess I just wanted to have a shot at QOT. I was out of line.</div>
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/david-shearer-isnt-jesus-no-sht-sherlock/#comment-571539" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">9 January 2013 at 8:28 pm</a></div>
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Shearer has many critics because he isn’t the best of the 34 available candidates for the job. Simple as that, always has been. He’s probably not even in the top 10. There are lots of ways of not saying that (appeals for unity, accusations of closet-rightery or extreme-leftery, trotting out the absurd straw men like Scott has done, etc, etc … we’ve seen them all in the past few weeks). But none of these responses solve the problem.</div>
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Some think Shearer will solve the Shearer problem (I don’t think anybody really thinks there <i style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">isn’t</i> a problem, whatever they may be prepared to say in public). He just needs time.</div>
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I disagree, but I’ll be happy for Shearer to prove me wrong. He doesn’t have to walk on water. If he could <i style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">say</i> “walk on water” that would be a start.</div>
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Quite seriously, I thought what you said previously bears repeating once more:</div>
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“The three stages of silence …</div>
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1) Too early … give them a chance.<br />2) Still time … don’t panic.<br />3) Too late … the election’s coming! Don’t rock the boat!</div>
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It’s an established political ploy, to serve the incumbent leadership in a party. It’s very old.”</div>
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Despite being resolutely a Knight of the Brotherhood of the Limp Wrist, I think I love you Queen of Thorns….</div>
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you are progressively becoming more Poplar with moi <img alt="🙂" class="emoji" draggable="false" role="img" src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/12.0.0-1/svg/1f642.svg" style="background-attachment: initial !important; background-clip: initial !important; background-image: none !important; background-origin: initial !important; background-position: initial !important; background-repeat: initial !important; background-size: initial !important; border: none !important; box-shadow: none !important; display: inline !important; height: 1em !important; margin: 0px 0.07em !important; outline: 0px; padding: 0px !important; vertical-align: -0.1em !important; width: 1em !important;" /></div>
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/david-shearer-isnt-jesus-no-sht-sherlock/#comment-571576" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">9 January 2013 at 9:25 pm</a></div>
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Aw, gosh, shucks *blushes* cheers RT <img alt="😀" class="emoji" draggable="false" role="img" src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/12.0.0-1/svg/1f600.svg" style="background-attachment: initial !important; background-clip: initial !important; background-image: none !important; background-origin: initial !important; background-position: initial !important; background-repeat: initial !important; background-size: initial !important; border: none !important; box-shadow: none !important; display: inline !important; height: 1em !important; margin: 0px 0.07em !important; outline: 0px; padding: 0px !important; vertical-align: -0.1em !important; width: 1em !important;" /></div>
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I can skip the walking on water. But I do have some non-negotiable requirements that Shearer is currently not meeting.</div>
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1. I expect the Labour leader to be in control of their caucus.</div>
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I don’t expect MPs to think they can get away with backstabbing colleagues in the media, leaking information that the leader has said only they are allowed to comment on, commenting on whatever they like regardless of whether it’s their portfolio or not (and dumping all over potential coalition partners while they’re at it), or attacking their own allies and members.</div>
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If MPs do engage in this behaviour, I expect them to be publicly disciplined. And if they are not, it shows that the ‘leader’ is not actually in charge and is happy to be undermined by their own caucus.</div>
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2. I expect the Labour leader to be able to communicate their ideas.</div>
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Enough said.</div>
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3. I expect the Labour leader to hold Labour values.</div>
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Bashing beneficiaries may be trendy, but it’s just not cool.</div>
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4. I expect the Labour leader to lead the opposition.</div>
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Instead of leaving it to Russel Norman and Winston Peters. Every article you read these days has these two front and centre for comment from the opposition, rather than Shearer. Except for the articles focusing on Labour’s infighting, of course.</div>
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5. I expect the Labour leader to know what they are doing.</div>
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Instead of, say, claiming knowledge of a certain tape which they do not have and have never seen.</div>
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****<br />Shearer is in a weak position, where his continued leadership relies on keeping the support of the people who have been his biggest headaches.</div>
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It’s not a great place for the party to be in, but until someone else can build a more stable support base, I guess we’re stuck polishing a turd.</div>
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You can’t polish turds. But you can roll them in glitter.</div>
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HAHAH thanks Queen Now I have to clean out another keyboard, And coffee coming out thru the nose fucking smarts when it’s hot.</div>
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Great article as usual. Keep up the good work, and yes I do occasionally visit your site for a read, I find it enlightening.</div>
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I would emphasise point 3. And I expect Labour values to be the motivating values of the caucus, not merely the brand.</div>
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I am also concerned with where authority lies, and by authority I do not mean tough guy antics, I mean the centre of decision making. Half of the cabinet appear to have rank but little authority. Modest left-leaning expressions, such as Cunliffe’s suggestion to his own electorate that Labour will not amputate your leg, are greeted with alarm, while Shane Jones bags the Greens and Hipkins says what he bloody likes. It would be all too easy to think, under the present circumstances, that Matthew Hooton has the final word on things, as some sort of advisor. A man whose stocks would rise sky high if he was able to deliver unto his friends a second right wing for when the other right wing goes to shit.</div>
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So my concern is not with Shearer’s vocals, but with what is happening to the party under his watch.</div>
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Yep, or it shows that they approve. Either way it’s not good.</div>
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Blue, in response to point 3 I thought it might just pay to refresh commentators on this post with exactly what Labours principles are (taken from their website).</div>
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• The natural resources of New Zealand belong to all the people and these resources, and in particular non-renewable resources, should be managed for the benefit of all, including future generations.</div>
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• All people should have equal access to all social, economic, cultural, political and legal spheres, regardless of wealth or social position, and continuing participation in the democratic process.</div>
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• Co-operation, rather than competition, should be the main governing factor in economic relations, in order that a greater amount and a just distribution of wealth can be ensured.</div>
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• All people are entitled to dignity, self-respect and the opportunity to work.</div>
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• All people, either individually or in groups, may own wealth or property for their own use, but in any conflict of interest people are always more important than property and the state must ensure a just distribution of wealth.</div>
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• The Treaty of Waitangi is the founding document of New Zealand and that the Treaty should be honoured in government, society and the family.</div>
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• Peace and social justice should be promoted throughout the world by international co-operation and mutual respect.</div>
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Might pay to criticise Shearer (and any other recent Labour leaders) on their adherence to the above. Also perhaps any Labour policy directions might be reviewed in light of this.</div>
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John 11:35</div>
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I wonder if David Shearer is the kind of guy who can lie in bed at night and think “Maybe I shouldn’t be doing this. It’s too much for me”. Is he capable of that kind of self-reflection? I mean, you know if you make a gaffe in conversation. You know if you’re in a job and feel it’s not the right fit for you. You know if your skillset is not a good match. And if he hasn’t realised this. If he hasn’t had a moment of introspection, then I really do fear for the future of our country. Because if that man is the next Prime Minister, and he continues behaving like a petulant child blaming his failings on anyone but himself, then there is no hope. The waka of state is caught between the Scylla of John Key’s malevolence and the Charybdis of David Shearer’s incompetence.</div>
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I think a major factor standing in the way of such self-reflection could very well be a cadre of sycophants/puppet-masters who keep shutting down any negative self-talk. “No no, David, the speech was <i style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">great</i>, don’t listen to the <i style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">haters</i>.” “David, our focus groups really liked these key messages, it must be that the media are conspiring against you. Did you hear Duncan Garner was seen to nod at David C in the corridor?” “David, no one reads blogs!”</div>
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And don’t forget to keep some of your invective for that snot nosed schoolboy Gower.</div>
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Oh, Paddy Gower. I think I wrote a blistering post about his shitty “journalism” on job numbers in his first month on the job. I’m sure he never saw it, but it makes me feel like we have ~history~ together.</div>
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I don’t think real self-reflection works that way QoT. For a start, with genuine self-reflection you take reassurance from those with a vested interest (even those who want to soothe your dobuts with the most noble intentions) with a big grain of salt. And you seek further information, not mollification. It’s just not that easily fobbed off.</div>
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I must admit to being sick of hearing the failings of those in leadership roles being blamed on their underlings. Not just Shearer either. It seems those with real power get endless excuses made for their fuck-ups while those with none get no passes at all.</div>
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Oh, real self-reflection, absolutely. But I’m just thinking about even the most basic flickers of doubt which anyone in an important position feels from time to time. Unless they’re like the protagonist of American Psycho.</div>
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As for underlings … you may find my post tomorrow a little annoying on that front, but (you can probably already see clearly enough!) rest assured I’m not holding Shearer blameless for anything. As a lot of people have pointed out in comments on other posts, the flipside of that is that it can’t all be his fault.</div>
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Pete, that sort of self-reflection is very rare in people, and much rarer than those who go into politics to massage their egos. Shearer should be embarassed to be in Parliament, taking a salary for being leader of the opposition. Any opposition to Nact’s neolib policies still alive in the Labour Party survives in spite of Shearer, not because of him. What is it that he opposes?<br />At a guess, I’d say Shearer will be much more likely to blame others for any future electoral defeats than examine his own limp role in an unnegotiated surrender. He’s as weak and as useless as wet toilet paper.</div>
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Okay, people, the derailing was fun and all and gods know I love seeing a high comment count, but further litigation of Morrissey’s petty bullshit is off the table.</div>
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I note that you obliterated three of my comments entirely, and replaced them with your own witless comments.</div>
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Your display of anger was impressive, but any sensible person would have simply treated my little diversion with a quick “Fuck off!”</div>
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It’s not as if you are adverse to such language.</div>
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Don’t leave more comments because I usually just double the ban length on each comment.</div>
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<a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/david-shearer-isnt-jesus-no-sht-sherlock/#comment-572087" style="background: transparent; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 11.998px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">10 January 2013 at 11:05 pm</a></div>
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A general note to future readers: sometimes moderation happens after the fact (otherwise you’d all get stuck in auto-moderation, such as I run on my own site, but on TS it would be completely impractical.)</div>
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So when you choose to derail someone’s post, it might pay to scroll back up and see if they’ve left you any helpful advice, such as multiple, repeated, clear, bold-typed warnings about your behaviour and its inevitable consequences.</div>
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So it would. I happened to just be looking at the numbers of comments a few hours ago (estimating backup deltas). This years comments to date..</div>
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<code style="background: transparent; border: 0px; font-size: 11.375px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">wk dy num<br />1 Friday 261<br />1 Saturday 263<br />1 Sunday 249<br />1 Thursday 210<br />1 Tuesday 194<br />1 Wednesday 268<br />2 Monday 294<br />2 Thursday 377<br />2 Tuesday 417<br />2 Wednesday 566</code></div>
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3099 comments in less than two weeks? FFS: I read over at The Hand Mirror (good blog) Julie stating <a href="http://thehandmirror.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/reflecting-on-2012.html" rel="nofollow" style="background: transparent; border: 0px; color: #005689; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">their stats for 2012</a>..</div>
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In 2012 The Hand Mirror published 247 posts, <em style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">received around 1700 comments</em> (I think that excludes spam), and passed the 600,000 page views mark.</div>
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My italics… That is why this blog has it’s ratehr harsh moderating style. we simply don’t have time to be anything but harsh</div>
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Excellent post, QoT.</div>
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I wish I had both your clarity and force of expression.</div>
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There’s another aspect to the attempts to get people into line behind Shearer that I can’t understand.</div>
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We’re told that there is still ‘time’ for Shearer and Labour to make headway, politically, before 2014 yet there are not even suggestions, let alone promises, that this will be done or what form it will take. It’s all ‘steady as she goes’ as if how ‘she’ is going is particularly steady. This is a good way to make doubters even more nervous.</div>
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Governments generally have to be winkled out, issue by issue, mistake by mistake so that the narrative becomes irresistible till it takes on its own momentum. Labour under Shearer don’t seem to understand this role the opposition has in establishing a discourse of failure around a government. I guess they occasionally try but none of them seem capable of constructing that discourse in a way that strikes a chord and rallies the disaffected to them.</div>
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I said when Shearer was selected as caucus leader that if he didn’t make a pretty rapid ‘Orewa-like’ spike in the polls based on his ‘back story’ and ‘not a politician’ persona – I think Lanthanide pointed out that it wouldn’t need to be that dramatic, and I agreed – then Shearer would be painted, and tainted, as nothing but a place-holder and all of his weaknesses would be forever available to cane him with whenever necessary.</div>
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Shearer didn’t produce any discernible improvement in Labour’s polling, apart from resurrecting the polling figures Labour had in the early part of the election campaign in 2011. The polling remains the same a year on, with a bit of poll-by-poll shifting of votes between Labour, the Greens and NZF. National are still polling very close to their election night level (yet wasn’t it National Party voters that the choice of Shearer was meant to appeal to?).</div>
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It seems that the recipe for success from here on in is the belief (faith?) that Shearer will, eventually, grow on the public – <i style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">and no change in his approach is therefore needed</i>.</div>
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Further, the same appears to be the case with the overall caucus performance – it too will somehow grow on the public as being competent, substantive and the performance of a ‘government in waiting’. Little needs to change.</div>
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That may happen – but it’s an exceptionally risky strategy to assume that nothing needs to be done.</div>
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The problem for Shearer supporters, I suppose, is that to suggest that something <i style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">does</i>need to be done is to concede the very criticisms that are being called disloyal or undermining of ‘the left’s’ chances at the next election. But that’s the corner you paint yourself into when you adopt a paranoid stance to criticism.</div>
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Then, of course, there’s the worry that the next Labour-led Government, if under Shearer, will itself be simply a ‘placeholder’ filling the gap between right-wing ‘reformist’ governments.</div>
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Why doesn’t the Shearer camp throw the doubters some scraps of hope – a few rhetorical mango skins, as it were? Why the reluctance?</div>
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If I were Shearer I would address (already would have addressed) the party members publicly – in a significant speech – and basically admit a ‘mea culpa’.</div>
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I’d say that, ‘yes’, I wanted to make a much bigger impact than I have, that I wanted to communicate my passion for a just and egalitarian society far better than I have. I’d say that I not only understand the frustration but I also take my share of the responsibility for it – but, from here on in, no party member, no New Zealander, need be in any doubt that I stand for working people and for those who struggle week-by-week to stay afloat or have been totally cast adrift by our society and economy and that I am not ashamed to say so very loudly. If there has been confusion over that in the past there should be none now. I will not support policies that allow people to be sacrificed for the supposed sake of the economy. And I will act decisively if caucus members forget that I owe loyalty to all our party’s members and to Labour’s longstanding purpose – and not just to them.</div>
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etc., etc..</div>
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Said with conviction and with the confidence that you could meet the expectations you had set for yourself, I think it would come across very well even to the apolitical members of the New Zealand public. It would also fit with the ‘he’s just an ordinary guy’ meme, if done well – proper apologies generate respect.</div>
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As they say, it’s not rocket science.</div>
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<i style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">It seems that the recipe for success from here on in is the belief (faith?) that Shearer will, eventually, grow on the public – and no change in his approach is therefore needed.</i></div>
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Absolutely pinpointed one of the problems there, Puddleglum. There’s the occasional “he may surprise you yet” comment but it’s not come to anything so far in his leadership.</div>
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+1 Puddleglum</div>
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Thanks to QoT.</div>
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As much as I dislike Shearer, and I made it very public, I feel it is time for some here to get clearer on policy and challenge the man on this, than to continue the rants about his mumbling and so on. I want the man gone, but it will not happen with just ratting on him like this. Qualified criticism is needed, he must be exposed and challenged more.</div>
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As a migrant from Europe for over 20 years now, I still do not quite get the Kiwi psyche here.</div>
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Why is it so hard, to speak your bloody mind, not just rubbishing, to some degree insulting, but to say straight out, you are talking fucking bullshit, man or woman?</div>
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I get this all the time, this endless attempt to make it right for everyone else. Now QOT certainly does not fit that agenda and is very outspoken, and I hear her voice, but I expect also from her a bit more qualification of arguments.</div>
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One major problem is that the larger public is totally BRAIN WASHED! We have shit media here, we have endless commercialism, advertising funding media that is so corrupt and dependent on this, it is not delivering the role of the so-called “4th estate”!</div>
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I see and hear it every bloody day. I turn on the radio in the morning to hear the summary of news. What I get on National Radio is not great, but the only reasonable summary I can obtain. I tune to Radio Live, 1 ZB and others, I get shite, shite, shite and more shite!!!</div>
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So turn on the TV and see the same shite there. Information is not communicated. It is NOT wanted to be communicated, as the media is mostly private, or controlled by persons favouring privatised media, and who are totally biased. Hence we got shit Key in government, for a bloody second term. I know NO country in Europe, where the population (also more ignorant and brainwashed there) would put up with such poor media, lack of information, education and else and vote for such shit government. NZ is run like a damned dictatorship, by a damned elite.</div>
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Yet some here even start debating about supermarket prices and so forth, partly perhaps justified, but where is the big picture? I see NONE.</div>
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A country full of lost, soul-less, increasingly desperate, mercenary competitors, all fighting for the few morsels that drop off the table above, where the key stake-holders sit, eat, make decisions and shit on the ones below the table.</div>
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When are you getting the grips of what all this is about???</div>
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Politics, activism and more is about more than some idiot “Shearer” or fake, corrupt Key. You must get a scheme working to reach the bloody people though. I see none of this happening. So sadly Shearer, the lost idiot, devoid of employment alternatives, will keep his “domineering” reign on Labour.</div>
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Get out of damned Labour and start a bloody NEW PARTY, thanks, you are all wasting your times, as caucus the carcas of values, will see to it.</div>
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Hi xtasy, I understand your frustration with the way New Zealanders psyche. We are indeed, as a society, the <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10817111" rel="nofollow" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">passionless people Gordon McLauchlan wrote about</a> all those years ago. I hadn’t realised he’d written an update until I read your comment btw. It’s probably worth getting a hold of. As is some earlier writing on the New Zealand culture like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mulgan" rel="nofollow" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">John Mulgan’s </a>‘Report on Experience’</div>
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McLauchlan reckons the “Smiling Zombies” have now graduated to “Frowning Zombies” and that New Zealanders are superficially cheerful.</div>
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Don’t let the societal lack of concern feed into an idea that individuals are not concerned. We do have a shit media, as you say, and little idea about how to counteract it. I think that part of the problem for New Zealanders is a cultural heart and identity, which is so readily on show in much older European countries that you might be familiar with. Certainly it’s one of the major differences I see. Even in well-to-do, peaceful countries the visibility and acceptance of public action about political issues has been a major learning experience for me.</div>
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But as for leaving Labour – no, I won’t be. With the changes to membership input I feel the basis is there to take the party to a truly socially democratic one. It probably won’t be in February though, more’s the pity. While we can’t afford another term of National, we also can’t afford a term of ‘not’ National in the form of a centrist Labour. But change will happen.</div>
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“But change will happen.”</div>
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If it does, it won’t be until after 2014, and likely to be a messy split rather than a glorious unite.<br />No joy in 2017 for the fractured party either.</div>
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Red Blooded (Stuart’s popping round for a cup of tea) however, I’m open minded enough to read both sides of the jam sandwich.</div>
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rosy: Thanks for pointing out Gordon McLaughlan’s new book!</div>
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Your very welcome. I’ll have to get hold of it myself <img alt="😉" class="emoji" draggable="false" role="img" src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/12.0.0-1/svg/1f609.svg" style="background-attachment: initial !important; background-clip: initial !important; background-image: none !important; background-origin: initial !important; background-position: initial !important; background-repeat: initial !important; background-size: initial !important; border: none !important; box-shadow: none !important; display: inline !important; height: 1em !important; margin: 0px 0.07em !important; outline: 0px; padding: 0px !important; vertical-align: -0.1em !important; width: 1em !important;" /></div>
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You think David Shearer is competent enough to be on the front benches, let alone lead a political party? Faggedaboutit.</div>
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QOT.</div>
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You have nailed it.</div>
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The strength of the left is it is made up of people who try to be “part of the solution”, who think! Which is why we do not always agree.</div>
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Lock step sycophancy is usually the domain of right wing “authoritarian followers”.</div>
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National do unthinking following of memes and slogans, well!</div>
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When Labour starts doing the same it means they are trying to be National light, and sleepwalk to victory when it becomes, their turn. To do much the same as National, but, “with anesthetic”</div>
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Parachuting in a colourless apparatchik whose only leadership skills seem to be destroying competent rivals, will not win elections.</div>
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David Cunliff spoke to me and my ideals with the anesthetic statement.</div>
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Nothing Shearer has said or done, inspires anyone, from outside, that we have a credible, leader in the making.</div>
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For Labour to get my electorate vote back I want to hear some bold Labour policies and see a leader who actually believes in them.<br />They, it used to be we once, until, Labour abandoned their principles in the 80’s, could start with workers rights. It is in the party name after all.<br />40 Hour week.<br />Protection for so called “independent contractors”.<br />Liveable welfare for those dumped by the market.<br />Restore the right to strike.<br />Recognise that the private sector has failed in what is supposed to be their strength. Take up the economic slack with employing directly to rebuild NZ.</div>
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Comments like yours are one of the reasons I think IrishBill’s Year of Policy post is going to bring some really good, solid results in terms of what people want to see from a Labour/leftwing election campaign. A lot of us seem to be looking for the same kind of basic, principled policies!</div>
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Bryce Edwards summed up the macho, authoritarian nature of the Shearer/ABC Labour leadership in this comment about a possible Labour/NZF dominted coalition:</div>
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And the words “strong leadership” certainly deserve the scare quotes. The passion and swaggering aggression shown by Shearer has been exclusively meted out to the people whose interests Labour purports to represent, including its own members. And the fire in his belly and these supposed “leadership” traits arise exclusivly in his own power/career interests. He hasn’t gotten hot under the collar about anything National has done, and in fact shows a disturbing obsequience towards those with any kind of power including his supposed opponents.</div>
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QoT you are as always spot on with your observations, another great post.</div>
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Those on the left often crow about how they have got this MMP thing cracked but I’m not so sure.</div>
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Alot of people on here (including QoT) are anti Shearer because he will not lead the Labour party in a massive lurch to the left.</div>
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If Labour doesn’t represent your political ideals then support a party that does. Under MMP supporting a minor party is not the complete waste of time it used to be. The problem is that those who should just shut up and support the Greens or Mana also want the popular electoral support (twice that of the Greens) that the Labour party has and the power that comes with that. But of course the only reason that Labour has this popular support is because it is a centrist party not a bunch of dogmatic socialist loons (well not all of them).</div>
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So I guess my point is, find a party that fits your ideology and if you truly believe that they have the answers to the country’s ills then surely the votes will follow. Stop trying to hijack someone elses train.</div>
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Yeah Labour is doing very well on the centre-right. That’s why they’re polling so high.</div>
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Little is known about the origins of the Iron Dobbin, the product of an Italian inventor which first appeared in the <a data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'1',r'None'" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=_icDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA99&dq=popular+science+april+1933&hl=en&ei=1TDYTbyTG-Hq0QGg1sX8Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=iron%20horse&f=false" style="box-sizing: inherit; color: black; font-size: 0.99em; transition: all 0.15s;">April 1933 issue</a> of <i style="box-sizing: inherit;">Popular Science </i>as "the mechanical horse that trots and gallops on steel piped legs, under the impulse of a gasoline engine."</div>
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With this horse, he declares, children may be trained to ride. The iron Dobbin is said to canter along a road or across a rough field with equal ease. Its design recalls the attempts of inventors, before the day of the automobile, to imitate nature and produce a mechanical steed capable of drawing a wagon.</div>
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The Italian military considered putting the vehicle into limited production to train the children of the Gioventù Italiana Littorio (Italian Fascist Youth Movement) to ride, but the military deemed it impractical. The Iron Dobbin was also rejected as a replacement for mountain troop donkeys. After seeing the above image in <i style="box-sizing: inherit;">Popular Science</i>, the German military drew up plans for their version to be named the Panzerpferd (Tank Horse) for their Gebirgsjaeger troops, who equally rejected that idea.</div>
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The triumph of reason has happened within Labour in the UK. Apparently…</div>
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I don’t want to rub salt into the wound, because that would sterilise it and help it heal, but the sacking of Rebecca Long-Bailey was one of those rare moments of shocking leadership. For those of us who think a broad-based egalitarian government would be a good idea, it has been a long time since a Labour leader has surprised us with such moral clarity.</div>
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It does not diminish Keir Starmer’s decisiveness that Long-Bailey brought it on herself. By refusing to delete her tweet praising Maxine Peake’s interview, with its antisemitic implication that Israel was to blame for the death of George Floyd, she made Starmer’s choice clear. Indeed, it makes the triumph of reason all the sweeter that the other side contributed to its own defeat with such a misjudgement. <a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/keir-starmer-rebecca-long-bailey-tony-blair-corbyn-defeated-blairite-triumph-a9588896.html" rel="nofollow ugc" style="background: transparent; border: 0px; color: #005689; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/keir-starmer-rebecca-long-bailey-tony-blair-corbyn-defeated-blairite-triumph-a9588896.html</a></div>
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So the long arm of Mossad thesis, eh? I doubt she really implied that, but when UK politics persists in a morass of paranoia, conspiracy theories will inevitably whirl around in the vortex of competing perceptions. And yes, moral clarity in a Labour leader is indeed shocking. As a suggestion. Not sure if the reality has been validated.</div>
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An alternative action for Keir Starmer would be to keep following the foolish and fractious Jeremy Corbyn into a defeat so deep it will take years to get Labour out:</div>
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That was not the implication at all. What was at issue here was whether or not this murderous chokehold technique being used by U.S. police against peaceful and unarmed civilians was taught to them by Israeli police. You probably are aware that Israeli “policing” of the Occupied Territories is even more oppressive and lethal than what is being inflicted on the citizens of the United States by another vicious police culture.</div>
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The wild allegation that "Israel was to blame" is entirely the fabrication of Jeremy Rentoul, the <em style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Indescribablyboring</em> hack you have ill-advisedly chosen to quote. Rentoul is a shameless backer of the right wing Blairite faction which has managed to grab control of the Party again after its democratic deviation. It would have been hard for you to choose a more devious and dishonorable source; in 2015 he was forced to publicly apologise after another of his outrageous canards aimed at Corbyn.</div>
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<b>I wrote a post on Twitter last night that I regret, and for which I apologise. I suggested that Jeremy Corbyn might say that France had brought the Paris attacks on itself. I ought to know the danger of spending too much time on Twitter, and I make no excuses.</b></div>
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<b>I apologise without reservation to Mr Corbyn, to my colleagues and to readers. It was a stupid and offensive thing to say, especially at that time, and I am mortified by it.</b></div>
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<b>My sympathy goes to the families and friends of all those killed and injured in the attacks.</b></div>
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Shame on you for quoting such a callous and calculated liar, Dennis. </div>
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Two academic heavyweights give Biden public advice: " Robert Alexander is a professor of political science and founding director of the Institute for Civics and Public Policy at Ohio Northern University. He is also the author of "Representation and the Electoral College." David B. Cohen is a professor of political science and assistant director of the Ray C. Bliss Institute of Applied Politics at The University of Akron." <a href="https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/26/opinions/three-women-who-should-be-at-the-top-of-bidens-vp-list-alexander-cohen/index.html" rel="nofollow ugc" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/26/opinions/three-women-who-should-be-at-the-top-of-bidens-vp-list-alexander-cohen/index.html</a></div>
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Biden already made history by committing to choose a female running mate. Fortunately for him, there are a number of talented and experienced women who are legitimate contenders for the spot. We believe California Sen. Kamala Harris, Florida Rep. Val Demings and former National Security Adviser Susan Rice should be at the top of Biden's list.</div>
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An emerging consensus is that Biden should select a woman of color. University of Virginia Professor Larry Sabato's <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttp-2D3A-5F-5Fcenterforpolitics.org-5Fcrystalball-5F2020-2D2Dpresident-5F-2526d-253DDwMFaQ-2526c-253Dtq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw-5FxnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ-2526r-253D3IfSHiskg3NGgkCT6beCbBSrTvH4uMdWeRcNt-2D8-2DsGs-2526m-253Dk-2DOW8L7QLU73cnYbdqbYekfAqyaGiMRMGK-5FbprOlMpg-2526s-253Df6Wu-5FCC-2DGQQxReGW1cFYDvj6qfY1r-5FYtsZmX9ZDVlzQ-2526e-253D-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cdbcohen-2540uakron.edu-257C19cb8e94a2aa4114d17608d81a017f49-257Ce8575dedd7f94ecea4aa0b32991aeedd-257C0-257C0-257C637287941024694390-26sdata-3DqZFlGc-252FDDbOZhXVDa1XnYqFQH64w4bstRQhoTQiyaNA-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=RwtJ4kEfZtJ6aaO8r1GI95013GV694hE9LKSgF6Tc8o&m=jD6LUEcSZKGUyzsRpl6-pricmEydsqzctUl6DapEFeQ&s=ullTPlMKi2Do5QG8ZdJ43GlxMJOJQRYX50RhJLVKUJs&e=" rel="nofollow ugc" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;" target="_blank">Crystal Ball</a> ranks all five of Biden's top vice presidential choices as women of color, with Harris, Demings, and Illinois Sen. Tammy Duckworth leading the way. USA Today's Jill Lawrence <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Fwww.usatoday.com-5Fstory-5Fopinion-5F2020-5F06-5F02-5Fjoe-2D2Dbiden-2D2Dvice-2D2Dpresident-2D2Dpick-2D2Dkamala-2D2Dharris-2D2Dval-2D2Ddemings-2D2Dcolumn-5F5299142002-5F-2526d-253DDwMFaQ-2526c-253Dtq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw-5FxnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ-2526r-253D3IfSHiskg3NGgkCT6beCbBSrTvH4uMdWeRcNt-2D8-2DsGs-2526m-253Dk-2DOW8L7QLU73cnYbdqbYekfAqyaGiMRMGK-5FbprOlMpg-2526s-253Dlbvp9PxGqMKaiu-2D6oLBnyQM-5FlAj9tXAecRw6kunaLa8-2526e-253D-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cdbcohen-2540uakron.edu-257C19cb8e94a2aa4114d17608d81a017f49-257Ce8575dedd7f94ecea4aa0b32991aeedd-257C0-257C0-257C637287941024694390-26sdata-3DyJ-252BuTlrRNBQwFqjidcbQYt9WgvUQThB81-252FoN1CzeFqw-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=RwtJ4kEfZtJ6aaO8r1GI95013GV694hE9LKSgF6Tc8o&m=jD6LUEcSZKGUyzsRpl6-pricmEydsqzctUl6DapEFeQ&s=ZjM52Y-0hPEyaMbKNed9LVYGXe27lG3cS4DJiPsheDw&e=" rel="nofollow ugc" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;" target="_blank">argues </a>that Biden should choose either Harris or Demings.</div>
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We concur with 538's Perry Bacon's <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Ffivethirtyeight.com-5Ffeatures-5Fthe-2D2Ddebate-2D2Dover-2D2Dbidens-2D2Dvp-2D2Dpick-2D2Dis-2D2Dfull-2D2Dof-2D2Dhalf-2D2Dtruths-2D2Dand-2D2Dmisleading-2D2Darguments-5F-2526d-253DDwMFaQ-2526c-253Dtq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw-5FxnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ-2526r-253D3IfSHiskg3NGgkCT6beCbBSrTvH4uMdWeRcNt-2D8-2DsGs-2526m-253Dk-2DOW8L7QLU73cnYbdqbYekfAqyaGiMRMGK-5FbprOlMpg-2526s-253D2lc3LtZtBdpV7v3kUF0H0Z0jvA0Ha7bscnHWtIJ9qTI-2526e-253D-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cdbcohen-2540uakron.edu-257C19cb8e94a2aa4114d17608d81a017f49-257Ce8575dedd7f94ecea4aa0b32991aeedd-257C0-257C0-257C637287941024714385-26sdata-3D1Z717gE2eB3wMdAzZfzHIgYb0V-252FgAkMMeYtcCjDTw-252Fc-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=RwtJ4kEfZtJ6aaO8r1GI95013GV694hE9LKSgF6Tc8o&m=jD6LUEcSZKGUyzsRpl6-pricmEydsqzctUl6DapEFeQ&s=VeXLL68M9J27vh2Bkqa5MDFlU5yQPzxcjOhYUhSr0dc&e=" rel="nofollow ugc" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;" target="_blank">assessment</a> that choosing a Black woman is an important acknowledgment of both descriptive (how much a candidate looks like the electorate) and symbolic representation (how a candidate exemplifies an idea that resonates with the electorate). Such a choice would likely shore up positive perceptions of Biden among the Democratic base — a base riled by racial unrest and protests across the country. Failing to do so may dampen turnout among marginal voters that could prove costly in a close contest.</div>
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Given the likelihood of Biden dying in office if elected president, the choice is critical. The one chosen must be able to retain public support via mana and competence. Healing the racial divide will take at least that, but the prospects of rebuilding goodwill on the basis of a renewal of ethos compel the right choice. </div>
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They're giving him advice like those three haven't been on the top of the list for months. </div>
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How timesomely irrelevant of them.</div>
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"We believe California Sen. <strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Kamala Harris</strong>, Florida Rep. <strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Val Demings</strong> and former National Security Adviser <strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Susan Rice</strong> should be at the top of Biden's list."</div>
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????!!??? People who write something like that are not "academic heavyweights"; they're nothing but Democratic Party jobsworths.</div>
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Harris</strong> thinks it's funny to lock up black parents if their kids don't go to school.</div>
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During Israel's 2014 massacre of civilians in Gaza, <strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Rice</strong> spoke out—in favour of the Israelis.</div>
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And <strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Demings</strong> is—surprise, surprise—just like the other two, a Russiagate truther….</div>
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Morrissey Breenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16073134547095129808noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182619394637139656.post-88347952177187901592020-06-11T00:29:00.000-07:002020-06-11T00:29:07.339-07:00Julian Assange prompts ridicule with tweet about policeman 'making gun sign' at him (June 27, 2017)<span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><b>Julian Assange prompts ridicule with tweet about policeman 'making gun sign' at him </b></span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Photograph of a police officer making what Julian Assange claims was a gun sign outside the Ecuadorian Embassy, where the Wikileaks founder has been in hiding since 2012 </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">by Patrick Sawer, senior reporter, <i>Daily Telegraph </i></span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">27 JUNE 2017 • 6:01PM </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">There is a danger when you lock yourself away from the world for more than five years that you begin to lose your grip on reality. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">So it appears with Julian Assange, who appears to have become rather overheated by the sight of a policeman gnawing on his finger. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Assange, the Wikileaks founder who took refuge inside the Ecuadorian Embassy in London in June 2012 rather than face questioning in Sweden over alleged sex offences, appeared to be under the impression the office was making a gun sign, possibly aimed at him in a threatening manner. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">The Australian-born campaigner - who claims he would eventually be extradited to the United States if he left the Embassy - wrote on his Twitter page: </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">“At 13:48 yesterday police surveillance looks at me and makes a gun sign. Whether threatening to shoot me or shoot himself isn't clear.” </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Given that it appears fairly clear from the photograph that the policeman in question was simply bored and chewing his finger, the response was all-too predictable. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">“I think you may have been stuck in the embassy for too long, Julian,” said on Twitter user, with another chortling: “We must stop nail biters from terrifying recluses!” </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Wait, i've got this... </span><a href="http://pic.twitter.com/IkMCfByozr" rel="nofollow" style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/IkMCfByozr</a><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">— Randomhal (@Randomhal) June 27, 2017 </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Before long social media users began posting pictures of celebrities in similarly ‘threatening’ poses, such as John Travolta, in his classic finger in the air dance move from Saturday Night Fever, and David Miliband brandishing a dangerous looking banana. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Someone else posted a video of the Spice Girls, with Victoria Beckham pointing her finger at the camera in an, erm, dangerous manner. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Don’t worry Julian, everyone is right behind you. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Or as one wag suggested, “why don’t you pop outside and ask him?”</span><br />
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<ul class="css-1u1psjv epjyd6m3" style="-webkit-box-align: center; -webkit-box-pack: justify; align-items: center; border-image-outset: initial; border-image-repeat: initial; border-image-slice: initial; border-image-source: initial; border-image-width: initial; border: 0px; display: flex; flex-wrap: nowrap; font-family: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; justify-content: space-between; list-style: none; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">
<li class="css-ccw2r3 epjyd6m1" style="border-image-outset: initial; border-image-repeat: initial; border-image-slice: initial; border-image-source: initial; border-image-width: initial; border: 0px; flex-shrink: 1; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: inherit; list-style: none; margin: 0px; padding: 0px 1rem 0px 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">June 5, 2020 </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">This spring I taught a seminar (via Zoom, of course) at the University of Chicago on the art of political persuasion. We read Lincoln, Pericles, King, Orwell, Havel and Churchill, among other great practitioners of the art. We ended with a study of Donald Trump’s tweets, as part of a class on demagogy. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">If the closing subject was depressing, at least the timing was appropriate. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">We are in the midst of an unprecedented national catastrophe. The catastrophe is not the pandemic, or an economic depression, or killer cops, or looted cities, or racial inequities. These are all too precedented. What’s unprecedented is that never before have we been led by a man who so completely inverts the spirit of Lincoln’s Second Inaugural Address. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">With malice toward all; with charity for none: eight words that encapsulate everything this president is, does and stands for. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">What does one learn when reading great political speeches and writings? That well-chosen words are the way by which past deeds acquire meaning and future deeds acquire purpose. “The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here,” are the only false notes in the Gettysburg Address. The Battle of Gettysburg is etched in national memory less for its military significance than because Lincoln reinvented the goals of the Civil War in that speech — and, in doing so, reimagined the possibilities of America. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Political writing doesn’t just provide meaning and purpose. It also offers determination, hope and instruction. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">In “The Power of the Powerless,” written at one of the grimmer moments of Communist tyranny, Václav Havel laid out why the system was so much weaker, and the individual so much stronger, than either side knew. In his “Fight on the beaches” speech after Dunkirk, Winston Churchill told Britons of “a victory inside this deliverance” — a reason, however remote, for resolve and optimism. In “Letter From Birmingham Jail,” Martin Luther King Jr., explained why patience was no answer to injustice: “When you have seen hate-filled policemen curse, kick, brutalize, and even kill your black brothers and sisters with impunity … then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait.” </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">In a word, great political writing aims to elevate. What, by contrast, does one learn by studying Trump’s utterances? </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">The purpose of Trump’s presidency is to debase, first by debasing the currency of speech. It’s why he refuses to hire reasonably competent speechwriters to craft reasonably competent speeches. It’s why his communication team has been filled by people like Dan Scavino and Stephanie Grisham and Sarah Sanders. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">And it’s why Twitter is his preferred medium of communication. It is speech designed for provocations and put-downs; for making supporters feel smug; for making opponents seethe; for reducing national discourse to the level of grunts and counter-grunts. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">That’s a level that suits Trump because it’s the level at which he excels. Anyone who studies Trump’s tweets carefully must come away impressed by the way he has mastered the demagogic arts. He doesn’t lead his base, as most politicians do. He personifies it. He speaks to his followers as if he were them. He cultivates their resentments, demonizes their opponents, validates their hatreds. He glorifies himself so they may bask in the reflection. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Whatever this has achieved for him, or them, it’s a calamity for us. At a moment when disease has left more than 100,000 American families bereft, we have a president incapable of expressing the nation’s heartbreak. At a moment of the most bitter racial grief since the 1960s, we have a president who has bankrupted the moral capital of the office he holds. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">And at a moment when many Americans, particularly conservatives, are aghast at the outbursts of looting and rioting that have come in the wake of peaceful protests, we have a president who wants to replace rule of law with rule by the gun. If Trump now faces a revolt by the Pentagon’s civilian and military leadership (both current and former) against his desire to deploy active-duty troops in American cities, it’s because his words continue to drain whatever is left of his credibility as commander in chief. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">I write this as someone who doesn’t lay every national problem at Trump’s feet and tries to give him credit when I think it’s due. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Trump is no more responsible for the policing in Minneapolis than Barack Obama was responsible for policing in Ferguson. I doubt the pandemic would have been handled much better by a Hillary Clinton administration, especially considering the catastrophic errors of judgment by people like Bill de Blasio and Andrew Cuomo. And our economic woes are largely the result of a lockdown strategy most avidly embraced by the president’s critics. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">But the point here isn’t that Trump is responsible for the nation’s wounds. It’s that he is the reason some of those wounds have festered and why none of them can heal, at least for as long as he remains in office. Until we have a president who can say, as Lincoln did in his first inaugural, “We are not enemies, but friends” — and be believed in the bargain — our national agony will only grow worse. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">The Times is committed to publishing a diversity of letters to the editor. We’d like to hear what you think about this or any of our articles. Here are some tips. And here’s our email: </span><a href="mailto:letters@nytimes.com" rel="nofollow" style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" target="_blank">letters@nytimes.com</a><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Follow The New York Times Opinion section on Facebook, Twitter (@NYTopinion) and Instagram. </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Bret L. Stephens has been an Opinion columnist with The Times since April 2017. He won a Pulitzer Prize for commentary at The Wall Street Journal in 2013 and was previously editor in chief of The Jerusalem Post. Facebook </span><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">A version of this article appears in print on June 6, 2020, Section A, Page 20 of the New York edition with the headline: Donald Trump Is Our National Catastrophe. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe </span></li>
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Morrissey Breenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16073134547095129808noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182619394637139656.post-75516024004488391372020-06-01T01:46:00.003-07:002020-06-01T01:46:55.668-07:00Matt Taibbi "Planet of the Censoring Humans" (May 30, 2020)<h1 class="post-title short" style="margin: 0.378em 0px 0px;">
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Planet of the Censoring Humans</h1>
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The campaign to remove Michael Moore’s new documentary from the Internet – led by Moore’s erstwhile progressive “allies” – is a significant advance in the censorship revolution</h3>
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On April 21st, 2020, just before the 50th anniversary of the first Earth Day, Oscar-winning director/producer Michael Moore <a href="https://deadline.com/2020/04/michael-moore-releases-planet-of-the-humans-documentary-eve-earth-day-1202913761/" style="color: #1a1a1a;">released a new movie</a> called <em>Planet of the Humans. </em>Directed by Jeff Gibbs, the film is a searing look at the ostensible failures of the environmentalist movement, to which Moore and Gibbs both belonged.</div>
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“Jeff and I were at the first Earth Day celebrations,” Moore laughs. “That’s how old we are.”</div>
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Distributed for free on YouTube, the film’s central argument is that the environmentalist movement, fattened by corporate donations, has become seduced by an industrialist delusion.</div>
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“The whole idea of the film was to ask a question – after fifty years of the environmentalist movement, how are we doing?” recounts Moore. “It looks like, not very well.”</div>
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Moore and Gibbs challenged the idea that both the planet and humankind’s current patterns of industrial production can be saved through the magic bullet of “renewable energy.” The film shows lurid examples of various deceptions, like the oft-used trick of replacing coal plants <a href="https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3" style="color: #1a1a1a;">with new natural gas plants</a>, which are then called “clean” or “green,” or the hideous trend of <a href="https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/campaigns/debunking_the_biomass_myth/" style="color: #1a1a1a;">describing the burning of trees as a “renewable” energy source</a>.</div>
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Environmentalists denounced the film as riddled with “lies” and “misinformation,” claiming among other things that Moore used old data to discredit green technology. A campaign to remove the film from circulation immediately took shape.</div>
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“Within 24 hours of it going out on YouTube, people got to work on trying to take the film down,” explains Moore. He immediately started hearing about emails denouncing the film that were being circulated to what seemed like “everyone on the left.”</div>
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An “action letter” composed by environmentalist Josh Fox was circulated, describing the film as “dangerous, misleading, and destructive” and demanding an “immediate retraction.” Films for Action, an online archive of progressive movies, initially bent to Fox’s demands by taking the film out of its library, only to put it back up a half-day later out of a desire to avoid a “<a href="https://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/films-for-actions-statement-on-planet-of-the-humans/" style="color: #1a1a1a;">messy debate about censorship</a>.”</div>
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An intense campaign of editorials followed, and a roughly month later, YouTube<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/may/26/michael-moore-film-planet-of-the-humans-removed-from-youtube?utm_campaign=Hot%20News&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=88475737&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9Uq0BsKTruyOpILkFdpeG4tdXu8HVHuYLs-_8LpHe4cm" style="color: #1a1a1a;">actually removed the film</a>. The platform cited a four-second piece of footage shot by filmmaker Toby Smith that supposedly was a copyright infringement. Moore, who says all his films are “heavily lawyered,” insists the footage was legal under Fair Use laws, which allow the use of portions of copyrighted work without the permission of the owner. (In one of many ironies, Fair Use laws have long been celebrated by progressives as an invaluable tool for journalists and artists).</div>
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The significance of the Moore incident is that it shows that a long-developing pattern of deletions and removals is expanding. The early purges were <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/10/11/facebook-purged-over-accounts-pages-pushing-political-messages-profit/?utm_term=.b6ce82845e60" style="color: #1a1a1a;">mainly of small/fringe voices</a> on either the far right or far left, or infamously fact-challenged personalities like Alex Jones. The removal of a film by Moore – a heavily-credentialed figure long revered by the liberal mainstream – takes place amid a dramatic acceleration of such speech-suppression incidents, many connected to the coronavirus disaster.</div>
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A pair of California doctors were <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/youtube-facebook-split-removal-doctors-viral-coronavirus-videos-n1195276" style="color: #1a1a1a;">taken off YouTube</a> for declaring stay-at-home measures unnecessary; right-wing British broadcaster and trumpeter of shape-shifting reptile theories David Icke was <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/youtube-facebook-split-removal-doctors-viral-coronavirus-videos-n1195276" style="color: #1a1a1a;">taken off YouTube</a>; a video by Rockefeller University epidemiologist Knut Wittknowski was <a href="https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/youtube-censors-epidemiologist-knut-wittkowski-for-opposing-lockdown/" style="color: #1a1a1a;">taken down</a>, apparently for advocating a “herd immunity” approach to combating the virus. These moves all came after the popular libertarian site Zero Hedge was <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/twitter-bans-zero-hedge-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory/" style="color: #1a1a1a;">banned from Twitter</a>, ostensibly for suggesting a Chinese scientist in Wuhan was responsible for coronavirus.</div>
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In late April, the <em>World Socialist Web Site </em>– which has been one of the few <a href="https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/11/18/pers-n18.html" style="color: #1a1a1a;">consistent critics</a> of Internet censorship and algorithmic manipulation – was removed by Reddit from the r/coronavirus subreddit on the grounds that it was <a href="https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/04/03/redd-a03.html" style="color: #1a1a1a;">not “reliable</a>.” The site was also <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/wiki/whitelist?v=d1b836b4-9eaf-11ea-b767-0e35d2495b67" style="color: #1a1a1a;">removed from the whitelist for r/politics</a>, the primary driver of traffic from Reddit to the site. Then in early May, at least 52 Palestinian activists and journalists were<a href="https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/facebook-deactivates-accounts-dozens-palestinian-journalists-and-activists" style="color: #1a1a1a;">removed from Facebook</a> for “not following community standards,” part of a years-long<a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/who-will-fix-facebook-759916/" style="color: #1a1a1a;">pattern of removals</a> made in cooperation with the Israeli government.</div>
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On May 13, human rights activist Jennifer Zeng noted that YouTube was <a href="https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1260557177711968257?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.embedly.com%2Fwidgets%2Fmedia.html%3Ftype%3Dtext%252Fhtml%26key%3Dcfc0fb0733504c77aa4a6ac07caaffc7%26schema%3Dtwitter%25" style="color: #1a1a1a;">automatically deleting Chinese-language references</a> to terms insulting to the Chinese government, like <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_bandit" style="color: #1a1a1a;">gongfei</a>, </em>or “communist bandit.” Congressional candidate Shahid Buttar complained an interview with Walker Bragman about Democrats supporting surveillance powers <a href="https://twitter.com/ShahidForChange/status/1264714307025027077" style="color: #1a1a1a;">was removed</a> by YouTube. Evan Greer of the speech advocacy group Fight for the Future had a post <a href="https://medium.com/@fightfortheftr/facebook-told-my-followers-i-was-spreading-misinformation-about-government-surveillance-i-wasnt-63622dd7ae56" style="color: #1a1a1a;">flagged by Facebook’s “independent fact checkers</a>”—in this case, that noted pillar of factuality, <em>USA Today </em>– dinging him for a “partly false” claim that the Senate had voted to allow warrantless searches of browsing history.</div>
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These and many other incidents came in addition to a slew of moves aimed at right-wing speakers accused of varying degrees of conspiratorial misinformation and/or hate speech, from a decision by Twitter to <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/technology/twitter-trump-mail-in-ballots.html" style="color: #1a1a1a;">begin “fact-checks” of Donald Trump</a> to wholesale removals from Facebook of “anti-immigrant” sites <a href="https://www.adweek.com/digital/facebook-purges-qanon-conspiracy-accounts-among-other-disinformation/" style="color: #1a1a1a;">like VDare and the Unz Review</a>.</div>
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One problem is the so-called “reputable” fact-checking authorities many platforms are relying upon have terrible factual histories themselves. There’s an implication that “misinformation” by foreign or independent actors is somehow more dangerous than broadly-disseminated official deceptions about U.S. misbehavior abroad, or manufactured scandals like Russiagate. We now expect libertarian or socialist pages to be zapped at any minute, but none of the outlets which amplified the bogus Steele dossier have been put in Internet timeout.</div>
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Moreover, despite widespread propaganda <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/waynecrews/2018/04/26/social-media-filtering-is-not-censorship/#56c93bba438d" style="color: #1a1a1a;">to the contrary</a>, the new movement to regulate speech on platforms like Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube is, actually, censorship. In the United States, high-ranking politicians in both parties have held congressional <a href="https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/10/31/pers-o31.html" style="color: #1a1a1a;">hearings</a> and threatened these tech companies with tighter regulation and taxation if they do not develop policies for combating the “<a href="https://www.c-span.org/video/?436454-1/facebook-google-twitter-executives-testify-russia-election-ads" style="color: #1a1a1a;">fomenting of discord</a>.”</div>
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In response, these companies – which as recently as four or five years ago were disavowing editorial responsibilities, in the case of Facebook going so far as to <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/21/fbonc/" style="color: #1a1a1a;">deny being a media company</a> at all – are now instituting vast new controls. It’s a clear symbiosis: governments permit mining of lucrative markets in exchange for access to the platforms’ monitoring powers.</div>
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“That’s censorship,” says Andre Damon of the <em>World Socialist Web Site</em>. “That’s a First Amendment issue.”</div>
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Throughout the last four years, it’s mainly been left to people affected by these new policies to point out the obvious, that relying on star-chambers of corporate gatekeepers to oversee information flow will have dramatic consequences. These voices seem to be the only ones interested in sticking up for the rights of political opponents.</div>
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“I don’t think anyone can confuse me for a supporter of Donald Trump, but I see the danger of celebration of Twitter fact-checking him, because that’s going to be the model for all of us,” says Ali Abuminah, author and co-founder of Electronic Intifada, which has extensively covered the suppression of speech in Palestine by Facebook, including the recent removals.</div>
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“It’s always presented as, ‘We’re going to crack down on white supremacists and anti-vaxxers,’” says Damon<em>. </em>“But the practical impact of speech controls is always to advance the interests of the ruling class.”</div>
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The pseudonymous editor of <a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/" style="color: #1a1a1a;">Zero Hedge</a>, Tyler Durden, points out that even when platform bans of sites like his are reported by mainstream press outlets, reporters rarely address the underlying rights issue. “Nobody really digs into the First Amendment angle,” he says. “They’re going after the far right, they’re going after the middle right. They’re going after the far left and the middle left. Where does it end?”</div>
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We already have a clear picture of what the endgame of public-private content regulation partnerships might look like, through the experience of other countries. In an extreme example, as far back as 2016, Israel’s Justice Minister boasted that Facebook was complying with “<a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/09/facebook-neutral-palestine-israel-conflict-160921115752070.html" style="color: #1a1a1a;">95 percent</a>” of its requests for content regulation, deleting thousands of posts by Palestinians.</div>
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“Palestine is often the canary in the coal mine on speech issues,” laments Abunimah.</div>
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In Germany, which has strict hate speech laws, Facebook maintains an archipelago of ominously-named “<a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/09/facebook-neutral-palestine-israel-conflict-160921115752070.html" style="color: #1a1a1a;">deletion centers</a>,” with as many as 1,200 employees at a single site, to sift through content in search of “community standards” violations. Under pressure from politicians and pundits alike, platforms began moving in this direction in the U.S. years ago, with Facebook announcing mass hires of employees with Orwellian titles like “<a href="https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g5xp5j/facebook-is-literally-hiring-people-to-just-google-stuff" style="color: #1a1a1a;">community reviewers</a>” and “<a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-is-hiring-news-credibility-specialists-2018-6" style="color: #1a1a1a;">news credibility specialists</a>.”</div>
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The drive to step up “content control” isn’t all driven from the top down. A major additional factor has been the growth of a new intellectual movement geared toward delegitimizing speech and rationalizing censorship. The Moore incident provided a clear demonstration of how this new social reflex works.</div>
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In <em>Planet of the Humans</em>, Moore and Gibbs make a complex argument. In essence, they charge that people have become dependent upon the high-consumption lifestyles made possible by fossil fuels, and that it’s our addiction to that way of life, as much as to fossil fuels themselves, that is driving humanity off a “cliff.”</div>
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Their core criticism is aimed at big-name environmental leaders like Bill McKibben and Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., whom Gibbs and Moore argue have de-emphasized this truth to sell a fantasy – profitable equally to industry and environmental movements – that we can innovate our way to survival.</div>
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As is usually the case with Moore movies, <em>Planet of the Humans </em>across as a case for the prosecution. Whether he’s denouncing George W. Bush or the health care industry, Moore always sails close to the wind factually, and often leaves out mitigating information a traditional journalist would feel obligated to include. This movie is no different. For instance, audiences are not told until the credits that McKibben, who is depicted on film celebrating the “beauty” of burning wood chips, eventually came out against biomass plants. </div>
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It’s easy to see why McKibben would be upset at the portrayal of him in the center of an argument that the environmental movement has overstressed the possibilities of renewable energy at the expense of changing consumption patterns. After all, he’s<a href="https://www.greenprophet.com/2010/07/deep-economy-review/" style="color: #1a1a1a;">written books</a> and given <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5YVXnnfS28" style="color: #1a1a1a;">talks</a> addressing that problem. Then again, most of the “criticism” of McKibben comes in the form of footage of him talking, and liberal audiences never had a problem previously when Moore declined to add humanizing context to unflattering tape of the Don Rumsfelds and Charlton Hestons of the world.</div>
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Moore’s movies have always been designed to gut-punch audiences, and his M.O. is being unafraid to be accused of being “unfair” when he’s warning of disaster in Iraq, of a future of normalized mass shootings, of a failure to address working-class issues he (correctly) predicted would lead to <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMm5HfxNXY4" style="color: #1a1a1a;">electoral victory by Donald Trump</a>, etc. He’s a provocateur who dares opponents to call him out on the facts (here he is <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/05/fahrenheit.tm/" style="color: #1a1a1a;">musing about a $10,000 reward</a> for anyone who can find errors in <em>Fahrenheit 9/11</em>). <em>Planet of the Humans </em>features all of these tactics that simultaneously made traditional journalists nervous but earned plaudits among committed liberals: one gets the sense that Moore, his skin leather-thick after years of media battles, is intentionally provoking a backlash in an effort to kick-start what he feels is a debate people are running out of time to have.</div>
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Still, it’s easy to understand why activists who’ve dedicated their lives to closing coal plants and developing cleaner energies would feel betrayed at the depiction of alternative energies as failed or even counterproductive exercises in self-deception. The footage that caused YouTube to yank the film came in the middle of a brutal montage showing all the different rare industrial materials that have been mined via earth-disfiguring methods in the making of solar panels — a sequence as painful to watch as the infamous “<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM43KvSsJeQ" style="color: #1a1a1a;">Wouldn’t it be Nice” montage</a> of devastated Flint in <em>Roger and Me.</em></div>
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Is it right, as multiple critics have <a href="https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2020/04/22/new-michael-moore-film-charges-enviro-leaders-have-lost-their-way-and-sold-out-to-corporate-interests/" style="color: #1a1a1a;">wondered</a>, to show such a punishing visual without noting advances that have made solar cleaner and more efficient since the early scenes in the film were shot?</div>
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If the criticisms of Moore’s film stopped with questions like these, they might have been more sympathetic. Moore and Gibbs seemed anxious to engage such questions. “Maybe we’re wrong,” Moore says. “We’d have liked to have that discussion. That was a big reason we made the movie.”</div>
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Instead, critics rolled out a now-familiar playbook to depict the movie as too villainous to exist.</div>
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The Trump era has seen the unveiling of a range of nuclear arguments against unwelcome speech. Progressives who traditionally decried censorship now often embrace it with gusto in cases of “<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/29/democrats-republicans-both-worry-about-foreign-misinformation-campaigns-republicans-also-blame-journalists/" style="color: #1a1a1a;">misinformation</a>,” white supremacy and other forms of bigotry, and “conspiracy theory,” among other things. </div>
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The new take is that episodes like Brexit, the election of Donald Trump, the Charlottesville tragedy, a cascade of racially-motivated mass shootings and cases of police violence, and more recently the coronavirus disaster, have all proven that incorrect speech can no longer be tolerated. It’s now understood the consequences are simply too severe, especially for disadvantaged communities.</div>
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In the multitudinous critiques of <em>Planet of the Humans, </em>a creepy kind of rhetorical intersectionality is observed. Moore’s film is consistently depicted as not merely misinformation, conspiracy theory, or Trumpian hate speech, but somehow an interlocking combination of all of these things. Critics all seem to have gotten the same memo.</div>
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The biggest criticism comes in the film’s focus on overpopulation. In one much-derided scene, the director Gibbs notes it took modern humans “tens of thousands of years” to reach a world population of 700 million, but then tapped into millions of years of stored energy “increased by ten times in a mere two hundred years.” This fast-ascending population curve, Moore and Gibbs say, is also increasing consumption by as much as ten times per person.</div>
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Now, the environmentalist movement has been telling us for over half a century that rapid human growth and its insidious effects – <a href="https://www.epi.org/publication/webfeatures_snapshots_archive_08111999/" style="color: #1a1a1a;">sprawl</a>, <a href="https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/11/brazil-s-deforestation-exploding-and-2020-will-be-worse" style="color: #1a1a1a;">deforestation</a>, <a href="https://wwf.panda.org/our_work/wildlife/problems/habitat_loss_degradation/" style="color: #1a1a1a;">habitat loss</a>,<a href="https://www.edf.org/oceans/overfishing-most-serious-threat-our-oceans?gclid=CjwKCAjw5cL2BRASEiwAENqAPnfiHGaAO3ldYweiwYSSpD_7c9u_enm1kMRHYnZ0ZyTBtiWEtGIGKxoCmIYQAvD_BwE&utm_campaign=ggad_fishing_pd_dmt&utm_id=1484857153&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=go" style="color: #1a1a1a;">overfishing</a>, etc. – are threatening species and warming the planet. It was not so long ago that deriding such concern was the exclusive preoccupation of right-wingers. Bush-era Republicans infamously thought liberal tree-huggers loved spotted owls<a href="https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-12-05-mn-64375-story.html" style="color: #1a1a1a;">more than people</a>, and perhaps even nurtured plans for mass forced abortions to reduce world population (I wrote a <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Great-Derangement-Terrifying-Politics-Religion/dp/038552062X" style="color: #1a1a1a;">book</a> about an evangelical church that preached this idea).</div>
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With <em>Planet of the Humans, </em>we’ve come full circle. Now liberal critics are deriding all this tree-hugging as not just misanthropy, but supportive of racism and even genocide, using language that blows away Bush-era conservative rhetoric.</div>
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“Protecting the trees has almost always come with a judgment about which kind and color of humans they need protection from,” <a href="https://taibbi.substack.com/p/Protecting%20the%20trees%20has%20almost%20always%20come%20with%20a%20judgment%20about%20which%20kind%20and%20color%20of%20humans%20they%20need%20protection%20from" style="color: #1a1a1a;">wrote</a> Kate Aronoff at the <em>New Republic.</em>She added, “Gibbs does not appear to be a white nationalist himself, but his film echoes their approach.”</div>
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In <em>The Nation, </em>which lists Moore on its masthead as a contributing editor, Fox wrote a piece denouncing the film as not only “racist,” but, potentially, an “incitement to <a href="https://www.globaljustice.org.uk/blog/2019/mar/9/how-racist-myths-built-population-growth-bogey-man" style="color: #1a1a1a;">eco-fascist population controls</a>.” He added:</div>
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<em>We see old white male after old white male declaring there is no solution to climate change except reducing the population. (With this many white guys, we can only guess which groups of people are supposed to stop reproducing.)</em></div>
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Leah Stokes on <em>Vox </em>wrote the film’s takes on the dangers of overpopulation had “<a href="https://www.vox.com/2020/4/28/21238597/michael-moore-planet-of-the-humans-climate-change" style="color: #1a1a1a;">more in common with anti-immigration </a><strong><a href="https://www.vox.com/2020/4/28/21238597/michael-moore-planet-of-the-humans-climate-change" style="color: #1a1a1a;">hate groups</a></strong><a href="https://www.vox.com/2020/4/28/21238597/michael-moore-planet-of-the-humans-climate-change" style="color: #1a1a1a;"> than the progressive movement</a>” and expressed hope the film would be “buried.” <em>Gizmodo </em><a href="https://earther.gizmodo.com/planet-of-the-humans-comes-this-close-to-actually-getti-1843024329" style="color: #1a1a1a;">argued</a> the film has “more than a whiff of eugenics and ecofascism… Who are we going to knock off or control for?”</div>
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Given that the primary criticism of Moore’s film is that it unfairly depicts people like McKibben as sellouts, it’s more than a little odd that the apparently serious return criticism is that Michael Moore and Jeff Gibbs want to massacre nonwhite people. This would be laughable were it not for the fact that the campaign succeeded.</div>
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The director of <em>Roger and Me </em>and<em> Bowling for Columbine </em>has had plenty of prior experience with efforts to suppress his work. In 2001, HarperCollins blocked the release of his book <em><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/film/2004/may/05/usa.world" style="color: #1a1a1a;">Stupid White Men</a></em>, on the grounds that a book critical of the U.S. government was inappropriate after 9/11. In 2004, Disney tried to <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/us/disney-is-blocking-distribution-of-film-that-criticizes-bush.html" style="color: #1a1a1a;">block subsidiary Miramax from distributing </a><em><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/us/disney-is-blocking-distribution-of-film-that-criticizes-bush.html" style="color: #1a1a1a;">Fahrenheit 9/11</a></em>, a film that detailed links between the families of Bush and Osama bin Laden.</div>
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Both attempts failed. <em>Stupid White Men </em>was released after a group of librarians flooded the publisher with protest letters, and <em>Fahrenheit 9/11 </em>was ultimately distributed after Miramax and Disney reworked their deal.</div>
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The clear difference in this case was Moore and Gibbs are taking on Shibboleths on the left, instead of the right. Erstwhile liberal allies this time employed a tactic the right never used, describing the film as not merely wrong but “<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/28/climate-dangerous-documentary-planet-of-the-humans-michael-moore-taken-down" style="color: #1a1a1a;">dangerous</a>.” In conjunction with the new embrace of Internet control, this was enough to achieve something that Bush and Cheney never did: suppression of major motion picture.</div>
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In the past, a copyright dispute would have been a matter for courts. So, too, would questions of defamation that might have been raised by the likes of McKibben. Now critics can just run to Mommy and Daddy tech companies to settle disputes, and there’s no clear process for those removed to argue their cases.</div>
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This is a situation that carries serious ramifications, especially for people who have less reach and financial clout than Moore. “If they can do it to me, they can do it to anybody,” is how Moore puts it.</div>
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This is probably why, apart from a few brave institutional voices <a href="https://pen.org/press-release/pen-america-calls-for-expedited-copyright-review-of-michael-moore-film/" style="color: #1a1a1a;">like PEN America</a>, none of the traditional defenders of speech (<em>ahem, </em>ACLU) have spoken out. As was the case with Julian Assange and even Alex Jones, a fear factor is probably part of the equation. Who wants to be seen defending, even in the abstract, the rights of an ally of Putin? A race-baiting talk show host? An “eco-fascist”? Couldn’t such a defense itself invite reports of violating “community standards,” and bring a fresh threat of removal?</div>
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Maybe Moore is wrong about the environmental movement, but these new suppression tactics are infinitely more dangerous than one movie ever could be, and progressives seem to have lost the ability to care. </div>
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When I was an undergraduate at Ohio University in the early '80s, majoring in magazine journalism, I attended the keynote address during Communications Week to hear Lyle Dennison speak. I don't recall what his theme was, but I remember the moment when he said: "Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes was wrong. You do have a first amendment right to shout "fire" in a crowded theater and if people panic and start running about without looking for smoke, well. That's on them."</div>
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Minors and the mentally challenged should be protected, but the rest of us are responsible for our actions and if someone makes a fool of us because we don't pay attention, well, that's on us.</div>
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As a working journalist I've held to one primary maxim: The response to objectionable speech must never be censorship. In any free society--especially one where the freedoms of speech and the press are enshrined in our constitution--the only acceptable response to offensive speech must be more speech.</div>
I think Moore's right, but I'll accept that some disagree with me and if they think they have a case then they should tell the world about why they believe that to be true, not call upon corporate “community reviewers” or “news credibility specialists" to tuck them safely in their beds.</div>
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Oh. My. God. I can't believe you are doing this, Matt. I've appreciated your writing for so many years, and now you go and do this. And on top of it all, at the very end of your unfortunate complaint, you write, "Maybe Moore is wrong about the environmental movement, but these new suppression tactics are infinitely more dangerous than one movie ever could be..." Well, I would love to refute these crazy arguments one by one, but I am too busy trying to save the planet. Jeez.</div>
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On RNZ Guyon Espiner is running what will be a fascinating series, <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/programmes/the-9th-floor" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 16.002px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">The 9th Floor</a>, consisting of interviews with five ex NZ PMs: Geoffrey Palmer, Mike Moore, Jim Bolger, Jenny Shipley, Helen Clark. First up (airing on Friday) was <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/programmes/the-9th-floor/story/201839427/the-reformer-geoffrey-palmer" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 16.002px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Sir Geoffrey Palmer</a>:</div>
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NZ’s earliest living Prime Minister begins the series reflecting on the revolutionary fourth Labour government and his year as one of its three Prime Ministers.<br />…<br />Sir Geoffrey Palmer was one of New Zealand’s most prolific lawmakers and reformers, but a reluctant politician.</div>
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Imagine a country where the Prime Minister set the price of basic goods. Where the Cabinet, without having to even put it to a vote in Parliament, decided the wages you get and the taxes and interest rates you pay.</div>
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That was the country Geoffrey Palmer was determined to change when he entered Parliament in 1979. It was an economy, he told <em style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; font-size: 16.002px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">The 9th Floor</em>, that no young New Zealander would recognise. … Palmer, a constitutional lawyer, describes Prime Minister Robert Muldoon as running an elected dictatorship between 1975 and 1984. It’s a big claim. …</div>
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Ultimately of course Palmer would get his chance to run the country too. He was Prime Minister for 13 months sandwiched between David Lange and Mike Moore, who a desperate Labour party turned to just two months before the 1990 election in a bid to save the furniture.<br />…<br />So what was it like to run the country? What is it like to be Prime Minister? “I found being the leader a nuisance,” Palmer told us. …</div>
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Plenty more in the text, but for the <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/programmes/the-9th-floor/story/201839427/the-reformer-geoffrey-palmer" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; font-size: 16.002px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">full hour-long interview</a> you’ll need to listen…</div>
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That went a long way to re-confirming my view of Geoffrey Palmer as a very intelligent uber-technocrat completely besotted with his own cleverness.</div>
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The man has the certainty and fanaticism of the technocrat, the arrogance of a self-regarding intellectual and the political nous of a fool. He was, and remains, a very dangerous conviction politician with scant regard for the opinions of the hoi polloi.</div>
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Listening to Palmer, the viciously toxic culture of arrogance of the Roger Douglas era Labour cabinet comes flooding back.</div>
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A pretty good summary of Palmer, Sanctuary. I was appalled by Guyon Espiner’s breathless and admiring tone as he interviewed the Great Man.</div>
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In fact, of course, Palmer was not brave, or principled, or particularly clever. His manipulation by the loathsome ex-president of Colombia, Alvaro Uribe, was perhaps the lowpoint of his career….</div>
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I think you are mis- understanding the type of interview, I understand its a ‘let them speak’ series on former PMs.<br />It not meant to be a challenging of their previous decisions or playing the devils advocate on their current views.</div>
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Dont bullshit and just answer the fucking question.</div>
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Your making excuses for their treachery.</div>
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Despicable .</div>
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Your rantings arent worth reading let alone commenting on. Still losing it after all these years</div>
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Son,… your a ‘new’ kid on the block. It shows.</div>
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‘let them speak’</div>
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Yeah… weve had 33 years of ‘ letting them speak’</div>
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They still talk trash.</div>
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Along the same lines as you do.</div>
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Hey, how about dialling back on the personal abuse? dukeofurl had a perfectly reasonable point – Espiner’s role wasn’t to interrogate or to push his own viewpoint (whatever that may be), it was to give us some insight into the viewpoint of the subject of the interview. He’ll be interviewing others, too, and playing the same role with them. Besides, has it occurred to you that if you lost interest after 20 minutes (as you say below at 1.2), then maybe you’re not the best person to comment on the interview as a whole?</div>
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Dialing back?</div>
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How about you dial back on 33 years of bullshit and lies, buddy and stop being such a neo liberal apologist?</div>
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Its guys like Espiner and co that have enabled these neo liberal pricks to be seen with soft sentimental lenses ‘ because they are senior statesman types’ – or otherwise fulfilling some sort of perverted ‘ father figure’ in the under-confident NZ psyche.</div>
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If Espiner cant overcome his boyish state of being overwhelmed by dealing with someone that held such a dubious position of influence over so many at such a critical time then maybe he is the wrong person to be interviewing Palmer.</div>
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I would challenge you and every other closet neo liberal apologist to answer the fucking question of why someone like Kim Hill wasn’t doing the interviewing instead of a ‘ soft ‘ interviewer Guyon Espiner ?</div>
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Hill would have torn Palmer to shreds and you know it.</div>
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Correct and exactly why the complaint club member gluon gets the gig.</div>
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“Dont bullshit and just answer the fucking question.”</div>
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Er… what question?</div>
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Spot on , Sanctuary and Morrissey. My thoughts as well. I didnt even get 20 mins into it before I lost interest and was disgusted in not only Espiners obvious admiration of the man but the real truth about Palmer.</div>
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I bloody lived through that era and I know what this country was like long BEFORE Rogernomics and the bloody mess it is in now. 33 years of that neo liberal garbage.</div>
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‘ SIR’ Geoffrey Palmer?</div>
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That mans nothing more than a treasonous louse to me. As have been so many that have followed in his footsteps in both National and Labour since. Just a treasonous , lying pack of thieving neo liberal lice.</div>
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I actually thought Espiner did a good job, he let Palmer talk and we got a relaxed and unguarded interview from Palmer, where he did a pretty good job of condemning himself to any discerning listener.</div>
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Pretty much. But let not the history books record him ( Palmer ) as anything other than any other past anarcho-capitalist saboteurs , however.</div>
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Because THAT is what the neo liberal IS.</div>
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Call a louse a louse and be done with it.</div>
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No more pandering around trying to find nice words for a treacherous wanker. As for Espiner. the guy was in primary school when others of my age group had to front head on Douglas and his bullshit garbage.</div>
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So I’m hardly going to take Espiner as someone with credibility through life experience.</div>
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Just another newbie in my opinion , by and large.</div>
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Dont believe me ?</div>
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Anarcho-capitalism – Wikipedia<br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism" rel="nofollow ugc" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #005689; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism</a></div>
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Do some relaxing reading and learn what sort of scum have been operating in our country for the last 33 years.</div>
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Hopefully you will want to strip each and every last one of these fuckers of any pretentious, undeserved title they ever have had bestowed on them after reading and realising just how much we have all been played.</div>
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“As for Espiner. the guy was in primary school when others of my age group had to front head on Douglas and his bullshit garbage.”</div>
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I too had to front head on the policies of Douglas – it was great. A refreshing change from the Polish shipyard socialism of Muldoon and the National Party that was sending our country to the wall. Hell, I even voted Labour in 1987 as a sign of my appreciation.</div>
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Most of us didn’t realise how oppressed the average New Zealander had been until the Lange government took over.</div>
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…and doubled the youth suicide rate. You forgot to celebrate that bit.</div>
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You are confusing correlation with causation. What evidence do you have linking one with the other? How did you eliminate other influences on the youth suicide rate? And why on earth do you suggest that youth suicide is a reason for celebration?</div>
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I’m no more confused than you are when you talk about lab4 being refreshing.</div>
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Many other people had a different experience.</div>
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As to your last question,you’re a selfish shitheel, so I figured that you’d just be celebrating lower numbers of nonproductive economic units.</div>
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I note you have evaded addressing the issue of correlation/causation. You choose to insult rather than engage, which I think reflects poorly on you.</div>
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You have another reasonable cause to suggest for the doubling of the youth suicide rate (other than the prevailing economic policy which threw many into economic hardship)?</div>
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The causal argument of economic hardship and disengagement leading to a decision to suicide is more than clear, as is the correlation. You need to suggest something stronger.</div>
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Not really.</div>
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I know you’d never be convinced that the waddling, quacking, feathery thing in front of you is a duck. No point flogging those dead teenagers.</div>
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The onus is on those suggesting a causal relationship to prove it, not for me to suggest an alternative cause for any increase in the youth suicide rate.</div>
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Female youth (age 15-24) suicide rates decreased year on year from 1988 to 1991, by the way.</div>
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No onus.</div>
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Female youth (age 15-24) suicide rates decreased year on year from 1988 to 1991, by the way.</div>
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<a href="https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0ahUKEwi8yfzzhZvTAhWGpZQKHSSRC04QFgg2MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moh.govt.nz%2Fnotebook%2Fnbbooks.nsf%2F0%2F66f2e1f58796381e4c2566de0005fcf3%2F%24FILE%2Fphot_158_165.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFGrTfFHWgeyM5BaNqyYrbilpFn1A&sig2=YL3v-N1vWUaC2-CUJ4G0bQ&bvm=bv.152180690,d.dGo&cad=rja" rel="nofollow" style="background: transparent; border: 0px; color: #005689; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Figure 57 says you like to pick cherries, by the way</a>. Slight declines in 15-24yo female suicide rates in the last two years of lab4 still leave a higher suicide rate in than group than in 1984 and don’t offset the year on year increases in male suicide rates, and frankly you probably know that, you dissembling fuckwit.</div>
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McFlock identified the correlation between changes in the economy (exacerbating economic hardship for some) and a rise in the suicide rate.</div>
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Richard pointed out that correlation does not imply causation.</div>
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But the causal link here between economic hardship and a decision to suicide on an individual case by case basis, is well known. This implies the causal link between the correlation of certain economic changes and a rise in the aggregate suicide rate is real.</div>
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The onus remains on Richard to establish a stronger alternative or at least identify a potential confounding factor. The reason the onus is on Richard is because of the strong (if well known) evidence that the correlation here is caused by a causal mechanism. This is bolstered by similar correlations also applying in other countries where mass economic hardship was experienced (not necessarily so intentionally).</div>
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The evidence here is about as strong as you will see for anything in any social science (including the entire sub domain of economics).</div>
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Indeed. As he said himself – Thank Christ I didn’t become a journalist (to paraphrase) – or we’d have gotten to the shitty state we’re in a lot sooner with the MSM.<br />There were a few other indicators as to where he stands as well (the true neo-lib though not wanting to admit it) – like the reforms “happened too quickly” – but you know ….. TINA<br />And a few other bits like ‘fortress New Zealand’ – Christ on a bike – he should look at a few immigration laws NOW based almost completely on monetary value of the immigrant rather than their worth as citizens and the contribution they’re likely to make.<br />Whether intentional or not, S’geoffrey unfortunately was responsible (along with cohorts) for the commodification of all and everything.</div>
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And just so I’m not coming across as totally negative, he was correct (or should I say right) about a few things – all from the position of comfort and security:<br />– such as the competence of some of his peers and populist politics<br />– a commitment to democratic process and slowing things down (democracy is supposed to be slow and awkward)<br />– he’s apparently as scared now as he was when Labour took office and the country was damn near broke – which begs the question “what was the past 30 years all about?” if after those decades of economic brilliance – we could be facing the same shit all again with a different and more potent stink, AND I might add affecting a lot more people<br />– etc.</div>
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I lived through those years as well, just as I had lived through the previous nine years of Muldoon, who under MMP, wouldn’t have got a second term. Muldoon held enormous and frightening power – read Hugh Templeton’s book “All Honourable Men”. I lived through the twelve years of Holyoke’s laissez-faire government when we were dragged into the Vietnam war. I remember well the joy and relief we felt when Norm Kirk finally became P.M. and we showed the world a little intestinal fortitude (nuclear testing in the Pacific). I remember the palpable despair when Kirk died and Muldoon (aided and abetted by Bob Jones who ran a despicable anti Rowling campaign in Wellington) raged virtually unchallenged against the thoroughly decent Bill Rowling . David Lange’s victory over Muldoon in 1984 brought great rejoicing and he and Palmer proved an excellent political leadership team and it was very interesting to get a bit of insight into that relationship via the discussion with Guyon Espiner. A point that wasn’t made was that Labour actually increased its majority in the ’87 elections so the country as a whole was not too concerned at events during Labour’s first three years of office. There is no question that Roger Douglas’ policies paved the way for the neoliberal economics which have prevailed since but it is certain that David Lange became acutely aware of this, albeit too late. The fact that Prebble, Douglas, the Auckland historian, Bassett, went on to form a right wing party more than justified Lange’s concerns. We now have MMP, a system I applaud, and Geoffrey Palmer, a thoroughly decent and honourable man in my opinion, played a large hand in this improvement to the democratic process. Finally, I thought that is was significant that Sir Geoffrey expressed regret that he had “signed off” the sale of Telecom. “treasonous louse” – I don’t think so.</div>
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So you prefer smiling celebrity driven PM’s like John Key then?</div>
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Wow – you and I seem to have been listening to different interviews!</div>
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Palmer made some reasonable points and he also admitted that the government he was part of should have provided more support to people who suffered job losses because of their policies. It was interesting to hear his thoughts on issues like Brexit, Trump and compulsory voting. You don’t have to agree with all of his opinions but it’s still worth thinking through his reasoning. And, BTW, there’s nothing wrong with being clever!</div>
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But there’s everything wrong with being weak, and being bullied and browbeaten by fanatics and murderers….</div>
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My “nothing wrong with being clever” comment was a response to Sanctuary’s dismissive “in love with his own cleverness” put down. It wasn’t an endorsement of all things Palmer.</div>
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I realized that, my friend. I wasn’t criticising you at all.</div>
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A reader has sent me this <a class="st_tag internal_tag" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/tag/oia" rel="tag" style="background-color: transparent; color: #006aa4; margin-top: 0px; text-decoration: none;" title="Posts tagged with OIA">OIA</a> response from Radio NZ regarding their collaboration with TVNZ and <a class="st_tag internal_tag" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/tag/nicky_hager" rel="tag" style="background-color: transparent; color: #006aa4; text-decoration: none;" title="Posts tagged with Nicky Hager">Nicky Hager</a>. It outlines how taxpayer money was spent on paying for an exclusive that turned out to be a fizzer. Remember all this information was being released publicly anyway. They just spent taxpayers money on trying to get an exclusive.</div>
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I wouldn’t think they should hold out hope for more funding the next time they make a budget bid!</div>
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<li style="margin: 0px 0px 5px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 5px;">Despite all the talk of how restricted their funding is, they had their chequebook ready to go from the beginning</li>
<li style="margin: 0px 0px 5px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 5px;">They appear to have both paid the ICIJ to become a “partner” and paid Hager as an “independent investigator”</li>
<li style="margin: 0px 0px 5px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 5px;">They appear to have offered setting up Gmail addresses for people</li>
<li style="margin: 0px 0px 5px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 5px;">They have with-held some info on the basis of it being a trade secret!</li>
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UPDATE: Just had a phone call from Guyon Espiner who has clarified that he did not propose paying Hager. His e-mail references are about Radio NZ joining the ICIJ, not hiring Hager. I accept this entirely. The e-mails I got sent are a partial set, and it was not clear what the references were in relation to.</div>
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Update2: A fuller set of e-mails has been released to me and can be <a href="https://www.scribd.com/document/317740210/Radio-NZ-OIA" style="background-color: transparent; color: #006aa4; text-decoration: none;">viewed here</a>.</div>
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….”For example, it’s been noted by many people that John Key and his ministers only appear on RNZ when they absolutely have to.”….</div>
They might be more inclined to front up if they knew they were to answer genuine questions rather than face another gotcha session by lefty journalists pushing barrows.</div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">Hager is internationally renowned for his brave and principled journalism. Calling his work on the Panama Papers scandal a “fizzer” seems to be a desperate and politically motivated attempt at belittling his work.</span></div>
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Nicky Hager is not a journalist by any even semi-credible definition of the term. He doesn’t check his facts, he doesn’t give subjects right of reply, he won’t retract or correct when he is proven wrong, and he is willing to accept even the shadiest sources when it suits him. He follows none of the accepted standards of journalistic professionalism.</div>
Hager is just a far-left writer, and an extremely unethical one at that. He is not a journalist.</div>
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Blair's hatchet man railed against "hypocrisy" and "lying"yesterday, but Susie Ferguson seemed oblivious to the irony.</strong></div>
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The Dominic Cummings scandal has provoked disgust from people all over Britain and indeed much of the rest of the world. Just before the news yesterday morning, Suzie Fergusson was subjected to an extended rant on the matter from a man with a Lancashire accent….</div>
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">ALASTAIR CAMPBELL:</strong> This stuff is just doing my BRAIN in. We're in the middle of a pandemic, we're one of the WORST affected countries in the world, we've got TENS of thousands of people have DIED. We've got BUSINESSES collapsing left, right and centre, we've got UNEMPLOYMENT skyrocketing, and the entire government today has been en-, has been enga-a-aged in NOTHING to do with that, and EVERYTHING to do with trying to protect this ri-DICULOUS character that, for some reason, Boris Johnson can't untie his shoelaces without. And, you know, to have a, to have a—I mean, I was an adviser, I was the Prime Minister's, Tony Blair's press secretary. The idea of an unelected adviser, in the MIDDLE of an event like this, doing a big press conference in the garden, back garden at Downing Street, and then Boris Johnson doing as it were the FOLLOW-UP press conference to try to move the agenda onto lockdown easing, and THIS is what is horrific, I mean phase one of this pandemic, because Boris Johnson is IDLE, and he went on not just one, but TWO holidays, because he when he did come back he basically, his basic message was Oh well everybody else is panicking, there's no problem, we'll send this virus packing with a bit of good old British vigour and resolve and a few Churchillian speeches. Telling people to go off to football matches and race meetings and not to worry, telling people that he was shaking hands with corona virus patients in hospital, so I would say he directly contributed to the deaths of many people, through the messaging. They then realized it was a total disaster, and they went into a completely different messaging which was very effective: Stay home, protect the National Health Service, Save Lives. And the vast m–, the vast majority of the country did that. And now, we discover that his own closest adviser completely broke those rules. And it's just, it's unleashed an absolute FURY in this country, the idea that there's one law for them and there's one law for everybody else. And I think that even though Johnson thinks he' dealt with it today by sticking Cummings out in front of the media and getting him to deal with it—</div>
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">SUSIE FERGUSON:</strong> Boris Johnson's, uh, perhaps thought YESTERDAY he would have dealt with it in his press conference, but today Dominic Cummings has had to come out and speak to the media AGAIN. Has this been put to bed?</div>
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">ALASTAIR CAMPBELL: </strong>It's not been put to bed at ALL, because there's so many unanswered questions. And also I think one of the WORST things about this is that the government is reduced to a laughing stock, I mean one of the most extraordinary moments was when he was aked, um, whether this home, this sort of GRAND country house where he was self, supposedly self-isolating, his parents' residence in County Durham, whether he went out from there, and he said yes he did because he'd not been feeling very well, and one of the problems he had was that his EYESIGHT wasn't very good and so he went for a drive to see whether his EYES were okay. </div>
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">SUSIE FERGUSON: </strong>Is that a good idea?</div>
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">ALASTAIR CAMPBELL: </strong>So that he could decide, to see whether he could decide to drive the whole way to London. I mean, the guy has made himself a complete laughing stock, and then on the BACK of that, any of your listeners who follow any of our ridiculous cabinet on social media, ONE BY ONE, they've been putting out cut-and-paste tweets saying "Dominic Cummings has dealt with all the answers, let's move on and crack on with dealing with the crisis." And the thing is, I don't think the public, who frankly probably don't care two hoots about Dominic Cummings, who most of them until a week ago hadn't heard of, [clears throat] I don't think, I think they wouldn't WORRY too much about his lying and the hypocrisy and the rest of it if they thought the government was competent. And they're NOT. And so-o-o-o phase one they've screwed up, and now they're screwing up phase two, because frankly the lockdown which we still have in place to some extent, is breaking down anyway. I've seen SO many pieces today, there was a thing on, y'know, ENDLESS little films on social media, people saying Well if Boris Johnson can do it, I can do it.</div>
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">SUSIE FERGUSON: </strong>Well this is the thing—</div>
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">ALASTAIR CAMPBELL: </strong>That's what HAPPENS. </div>
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">SUSIE FERGUSON: </strong>Does this then all break down? So how damaging is this not just for Dominic Cummings and for Boris Johnson but potentially for handling the pandemic?</div>
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">ALASTAIR CAMPBELL: </strong>Well I think it is, and it's very interesting how several of the scientists who are on the government advisory committee have come out publicly and said this has fundamentally undermined the government's strategy. The government's chief scientist and medical officer, for instance, as we went into Downing Street today, we were told they were going to do the press conference with Boris Johnson and neither of them were there. I hope it means that they're just refusing to go along with this ridiculous charade any longer, I just don't know. But, look, you're talking to somebody here, don't ask me these questions as if you're talking to some sort of an objective commentator. I utterly DESPISE these people. I've despised them for a long time, because I've KNOWN them for a long time, and KNOW what sort of people they are. They are AMORAL, they do not CARE about people, they care about themSELVES, they got into power by pretending to be FOR the people against an elite, they ARE the elite. And honestly, YOUR prime minister is getting SUCH a lot of love in the U.K. because people have, y'know like everybody, people are following this around the world and seeing who's done it well and who's done it badly, and your prime minister's done incredibly WELL. And even the shot today of her in the earthquake and y'kknow if we-e-e-e could have a prime minister that has a little bit of empathy—what would SHE have done today if this had happened? She'd PROBABLY have sacked the adviser, probably. She might have said, Do you know what, they made a terrible mistake, I'm gonna MAKE them apologize and then move on. But THESE two—NO contrition, NO apology, no humility, nothing. </div>
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">SUSIE FERGUSON: </strong>That's Alistair CAMPBELL, former Director of Communications to Tony Blair.</div>
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<a href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018747984/boris-johnson-aide-defends-cross-country-trip-during-lockdown" rel="nofollow ugc" style="background: transparent; border: 0px; color: #005689; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018747984/boris-johnson-aide-defends-cross-country-trip-during-lockdown</a></div>
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">"L'hypocrisie est un hommage que le vice rend à la vertu." — François de La Rochefoucauld </strong></div>
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<em style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">More on Susie Ferguson… </em> </div>
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<a href="https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/come-back-kim-hill-urgently-oct-19-2013.html" rel="nofollow ugc" style="background: transparent; border: 0px; color: #005689; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/come-back-kim-hill-urgently-oct-19-2013.html</a></div>
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<em style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">And more on Campbell….</em> <a href="https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2019/05/lions-players-ritually-humiliated.html" rel="nofollow ugc" style="background: transparent; border: 0px; color: #005689; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2019/05/lions-players-ritually-humiliated.html</a></div>
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Morrissey Breenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16073134547095129808noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182619394637139656.post-83025810650856186592020-05-26T15:37:00.005-07:002020-05-26T15:37:41.463-07:00Funniest four words of the year: "And obviously Paul Goldsmith." (May 26, 2020)<div class="comment-meta commentmetadata" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; font-family: 'Open Sans', sans-serif; font-size: 0.857em; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">REPORTER:</strong> Where are the Māori shadow cabinet members?</div>
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">TODD MULLER:</strong> <em style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">[slowly, in order to convey gravity as well as "niceness"]</em> There's Paula Bennett of course. And there's Shane Reti.</div>
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">NIKKI KAYE:</strong> And obviously Paul Goldsmith.</div>
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<strong style="background: transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">EVERYBODY WHO HEARD THAT ON THE RADIO:</strong> Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!</div>
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Morrissey Breenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16073134547095129808noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182619394637139656.post-85916749095786438892020-05-26T00:44:00.005-07:002020-05-26T00:44:51.861-07:00Andrew Saveloy: New Zealand's worst sports commentator? (Sept. 4, 2003)<div style="border: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
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Pinguid Radio Sport broadcaster Andrew ("Slobber") Saveloy has long<br />been a figure of fun, even amongst his largely idiotic colleagues.<br />Football fans know, and despise, the fat man for his ignorant, risible<br />comments following the 1999 World Cup semi-final loss to France. <br />Nobody who heard it could ever forget the obese oracle stating,<br />apparently in dead seriousness, that France should NEVER beat the All<br />Blacks. That is not a joke: a rugby commentator actually said, on<br />radio, that FRANCE should "never beat the All Blacks". Amongst all<br />the stupidity, and ignorance that forced itself on the national<br />consciousness after that match, that remarkable comment by Slobber<br />Saveloy still stands out as particularly stupid and ignorant. It is<br />doubtful that even Martin Devlin at his most ignorant, or Murray<br />Deaker at his most truculent and obtuse, would ever have uttered<br />anything as moronic as that.<div style="border: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-top: 1em; padding: 0px;">
Listeners to NewstalkZB will know Saveloy as the particularly<br />slow-witted and tongue-tied sports "commentator" who, for several<br />years now, has come on the radio at 6:20 every morning for a<br />mortifying, often humiliating five minutes, where he reads the sports<br />headlines then endures a "conversation" with the quick-witted, often<br />cruel, breakfast host Paul Holmes. The gadfly Holmes usually cannot<br />resist mocking and teasing the fat man, who seems to have no idea how<br />to handle it. Certainly, in more than four years of this ritual<br />abuse, Saveloy's only response to Holmes has been to either lapse into<br />silence, waiting for the stream of verbiage to cease, or to utter a<br />loud and sycophantic giggle. It's insalubrious, awful and cruel, kind<br />of like listening to a daily on-air mugging. One wonders what kind of<br />misdeeds Saveloy has committed in some past life for him to be daily<br />put through such a penance.</div>
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Given Saveloy's exacting, some would say unreasonable, even looney,<br />standards for the All Blacks, it came as somewhat of a surprise this<br />afternoon to hear him being so positive about the NZ basketball team's<br />recent embarrassing losses to that..... errrrmmmmm.... world<br />power,...... errrrrrrrmmmmm.... Australia. The man who could not<br />abide a rugby loss to France, which has the greatest depth of rugby<br />talent in the world, had this to say about the prospect of yet another<br />humiliating basketball loss to Australia, which does not in any way<br />have the greatest basketball depth in the world: "Errrrrrrrrmmm... I<br />would be errrrrrmmmmm pleasantly surpri-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-ised if New<br />Zealand got up and beat Australia tonight."</div>
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NewstalkZB drivetime host Mike Hosking listened to these pearls of<br />wisdom and generosity, then steered the fat man onto the subject of<br />the new "No Dissent" rule in cricket. Saveloy's take on this: "You<br />have to have a fairly thick skin anyway, to be a cricket umpire.<br />Errrrrrrrrrrmmmmm....."</div>
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Then Hosking mentioned the Australian boxer Anthony Mundine, who last<br />night won a WBA title. Now, long-time Saveloy watchers will be aware<br />of just what he thinks of Mundine. "Is it just me," he shared with<br />his audience on the useless radio "Footy Show" a couple of years ago,<br />"or do others out there hope that Mundine gets DONE tomorrow night?" <br />Mundine is just too uppity and outspoken for the likes of Saveloy,<br />whose outrage stemmed from the fact that Mundine had had the gall to<br />make comments critical of the rogue Bush administration.</div>
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Hosking, on the other hand, is obviously an admirer of Mundine.<br />Bubbling over with enthusiasm for The Man, Hosking is very<br />enthusiastic about last night's world title victory....</div>
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<b>HOSKING:</b> Have you ever met him?</div>
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<b>SAVELOY:</b> Errrrrrrrrmmmm... only in passing.</div>
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<b>HOSKING:</b> I just LOVE him!</div>
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<b>SAVELOY:</b> Ooooo-er.... errrrrrrrmmmmmm....</div>
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<b>HOSKING: </b> So he's got a big mouth. Who CARES?</div>
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<b>SAVELOY: </b> <i>[doubtfully] </i> Y-y-y-y-y-y-y-yeah....</div>
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<b>HOSKING:</b> The WBA has got some cred?</div>
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<b>SAVELOY:</b> Ah yeah. Very MUCH so!!!! Yeah.</div>
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<b>HOSKING:</b> All right. Thanks very much...</div>
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For a long time now, this writer (moi) has engaged in the unusual -<br />some might say odd - activity of logging the number of times that<br />Saveloy says "errrrrrrrrrrrmmmm" whenever he is on the radio. The<br />average over several years of intermittingly logging the corpulent<br />commentator is well over twenty per five minute spot. Quite<br />remarkable, and testimony to the almost complete lack of standards on<br />Radio Sport.</div>
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This afternoon's "errrrrrmmmmmm" count: TWENTY-TWO.</div>
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<br />"Morrissey Breen" <<a gdf-obfuscated-mailto="9uj13l-v_EYJ" href="https://www.blogger.com/null" rel="nofollow" style="border: 0px; color: #6611cc; cursor: pointer; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;" target="_blank">morriss...@yahoo.com</a>> wrote in message<br />news:fb3a0456.0309040156.<wbr></wbr>4b5b9074@posting.google.com...<div style="border: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-top: 1em; padding: 0px;">
Wayyyyy tooo long, mate.</div>
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"Brad Anton" <<a gdf-obfuscated-mailto="O-QEbhQusfIJ" href="https://www.blogger.com/null" rel="nofollow" style="border: 0px; color: #6611cc; cursor: pointer; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;" target="_blank">ant_o...@yahoo.com</a>> proudly parades his illiteracy in<br />message news:<bj7bb7$as7$<a gdf-obfuscated-mailto="O-QEbhQusfIJ" href="https://www.blogger.com/null" rel="nofollow" style="border: 0px; color: #6611cc; cursor: pointer; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;" target="_blank">1...@austar-<wbr></wbr>news.austar.net.au</a>>...<div class="HRG2GGD-Db-b" style="border: 0px; color: #888888; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
<br />> "Morrissey Breen" <<a gdf-obfuscated-mailto="O-QEbhQusfIJ" href="https://www.blogger.com/null" rel="nofollow" style="border: 0px; color: #6611cc; cursor: pointer; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;" target="_blank">morriss...@yahoo.com</a>> wrote in message<br />> news:fb3a0456.0309040156.<wbr></wbr>4b5b9074@posting.google.com...<br />><br />> Wayyyyy tooo long, mate.</div>
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What? If you don't like reading, why the hell are you on a text-based<br />newsgroup? I'll bet you have never read a book since leaving high<br />school. Are you related, by any chance, to the Right Honorable Phil<br />Goff?</div>
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><br />> Pinguid???<br />See what happens when you don't read? No vocabulary.</div>
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<br />"Morrissey Breen" <<a gdf-obfuscated-mailto="Y_XO7HwWwq4J" href="https://www.blogger.com/null" rel="nofollow" style="border: 0px; color: #6611cc; cursor: pointer; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;" target="_blank">morriss...@yahoo.com</a>> wrote in message<br />news:fb3a0456.0309040156.<wbr></wbr>4b5b9074@posting.google.com...</div>
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<br />><br />> For a long time now, this writer (moi)</div>
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There you go with that tautology thingie again. You promised me you'd try<br />and stop it ...</div>
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"Ben L" <<a gdf-obfuscated-mailto="ORtLqffawnAJ" href="https://www.blogger.com/null" rel="nofollow" style="border: 0px; color: #6611cc; cursor: pointer; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;" target="_blank">bjlongm...@hotmail.com</a>> wrote in message news:<bj9g8t$gtmce$<a gdf-obfuscated-mailto="ORtLqffawnAJ" href="https://www.blogger.com/null" rel="nofollow" style="border: 0px; color: #6611cc; cursor: pointer; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;" target="_blank">1...@ID-<wbr></wbr>195463.news.uni-berlin.de</a>>...<div style="border: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-top: 1em; padding: 0px;">
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><br />> Are you sure you are in the right newsgroup?</div>
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Errrr... yeah... I am.</div>
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><br />> Isn't there one for failed writers</div>
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Yow! That really hurts, man.</div>
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><br />> or talk show obsessives that you wouldn't feel more at home in? </div>
"Talk show obsessives"? You're making me sound like a pathetic bimbo. <br /><sudden self-recognition> Oh, God! </sudden self-recognition><div style="border: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-top: 1em; padding: 0px;">
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><br />> I'm being wholly serious.</div>
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<hyper-ventilating> Oh God! I'm finished! I'm GONE! </hyper-ventilating></div>
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> certainly not this writer. " " (Steve's quotes)</div>
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<br />"Morrissey Breen" <<a gdf-obfuscated-mailto="bk6bevIGrxAJ" href="https://www.blogger.com/null" rel="nofollow" style="border: 0px; color: #6611cc; cursor: pointer; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;" target="_blank">morriss...@yahoo.com</a>> wrote in message</div>
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Monday 8 September, 4:35 p.m. Newstalk ZB. Talking to Larry Williams,<br />Saveloy says "errrrrrrrrmmm" SIXTEEN times. Also one "Heurgggghhhh!"<br />which is his version of a laugh.<div style="border: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-top: 1em; padding: 0px;">
Also says this, re the Warriors' prospects against the Bulldogs this<br />weekend: "They've got a good chance, haven't they!.... I heard some<br />CLOWN ring up last week on talkback and claim that the Warriors played<br />better without Stacey Jones... mutter mutter.. . errrrrrrmmmm...<br />mutter.... errrrmmmm..."</div>
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Williams cuts him off in mid sentence, put on an advert.</div>
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On 8 Sep 2003 11:24:56 -0700, <a gdf-obfuscated-mailto="gV_nLYZpxlwJ" href="https://www.blogger.com/null" rel="nofollow" style="border: 0px; color: #6611cc; cursor: pointer; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;" target="_blank">morriss...@yahoo.com</a> (Morrissey<br />Breen) wrote:<div style="border: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-top: 1em; padding: 0px;">
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More examples of your rich, fulfilling life, Mowissey? Are there any<br />hours in your day that don't involve listening to the radio or tapping<br />away on your lonely little computer? Do you ever leave your bedroom?</div>
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"Hey there" <<a gdf-obfuscated-mailto="0I6VancgUSIJ" href="https://www.blogger.com/null" rel="nofollow" style="border: 0px; color: #6611cc; cursor: pointer; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;" target="_blank">nzfa...@yahoo.com</a>> wrote in message<br />news:3b356b58.0309081616.<wbr></wbr>1d10cc8e@posting.google.com...<div class="HRG2GGD-Db-b" style="border: 0px; color: #888888; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
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Hang on, you added ONE FUCKING LINE, and you added BEFORE THE FUCKING<br />ORIGINAL (hint: do you know what chronological order is?) , and didn't<br />delete ANY OF THE FUCKING ORIGINAL to tell us that?</div>
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I'm not a mind reader, but I suspect MB might have been taking the piss, you<br />fucking retard.</div>
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As former <em style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">Today</em> show cohost Matt Lauer reportedly <a class="external-link" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLink","outgoingURL":"https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/matt-lauer-spotted-in-the-hamptons-following-firing"}" href="https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/matt-lauer-spotted-in-the-hamptons-following-firing" rel="nofollow noopener" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #eb0028; cursor: pointer; line-height: inherit; transition: color 0.2s ease;" target="_blank">hides out</a> in the Hamptons, the media is having <em style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">quite</em> the time digging up public and private moments from his past that illustrate that his improper behavior has been going on for long time. Of course there's the creepy archival <em style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">Today</em> footage of interviews with actresses like <a href="https://www.glamour.com/story/matt-lauer-problematic-past-with-women-on-nbc" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #eb0028; cursor: pointer; line-height: inherit; transition: color 0.2s ease;">Anne Hathaway</a> and <a href="https://www.glamour.com/story/matt-lauer-interview-sandra-bullock-creepy-2009" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #eb0028; cursor: pointer; line-height: inherit; transition: color 0.2s ease;">Sandra Bullock</a>. And now there's news of a "secret" roast of Lauer at New York City's Friars Club back in 2008 that is downright disgusting, especially in light of his <a href="https://www.glamour.com/story/matt-lauer-fired-from-nbc-news-sexual-misconduct-allegations" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #eb0028; cursor: pointer; line-height: inherit; transition: color 0.2s ease;">firing</a> for "sexual misconduct in the workplace."</div>
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So roasts are, by nature, fairly raunchy affairs, often filled with off-color jokes. But the reports from the Lauer roast, originally published in the <em style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">Village Voice</em> and recently resurfaced by the <em style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;"><a class="external-link" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLink","outgoingURL":"https://pagesix.com/2017/12/06/there-was-a-top-secret-matt-lauer-roast-in-2008/"}" href="https://pagesix.com/2017/12/06/there-was-a-top-secret-matt-lauer-roast-in-2008/" rel="nofollow noopener" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #eb0028; cursor: pointer; line-height: inherit; transition: color 0.2s ease;" target="_blank">New York Post</a>,</em> are next-level wrong.</div>
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Let's set the scene: First of all, you could probably write a term paper that simply analyzes the guest list. The <em style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">Today</em> team at the time was all there including Al Roker, Meredith Vieira, and Ann Curry. Lauer's former cohost Katie Couric, <em style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">Today</em> alum Bryant Gumbel, future president Donald Trump, Tom Cruise (who once had a famously tense on-air <a class="external-link" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLink","outgoingURL":"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFgF1JPNR5E"}" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFgF1JPNR5E" rel="nofollow noopener" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #eb0028; cursor: pointer; line-height: inherit; transition: color 0.2s ease;" target="_blank">moment</a> with Lauer), Bob Saget, Martha Stewart, and then chairman of NBC Universal Jeff Zucker were all in the room. Oh, and <a href="https://www.glamour.com/story/nancy-odell-responds-to-the-donald-trump-tape-i-didnt-ask-to-be-a-part-of-this" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #eb0028; cursor: pointer; line-height: inherit; transition: color 0.2s ease;">Nancy O'Dell</a>. Yes, the Nancy O'Dell who Trump is talking about when he says he "moved on her like a bitch" in the infamous <em style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">Access Hollywood</em> tape. Now, that's a room filled with many headline-making names in the latest wave of harassment scandals.</div>
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And then there are the "jokes." Some of these are hard to read, so beware. Cameras and recorders were banned from the event, but a<em style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">Village Voice</em> reporter was said to have taken copious notes under a table. <a href="https://www.glamour.com/story/matt-lauer-problematic-past-with-women-on-nbc" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #eb0028; cursor: pointer; line-height: inherit; transition: color 0.2s ease;">Ann Curry</a>, with whom Lauer reportedly had a contentious relationship, was the butt of many jokes, including one reportedly from the man of "honor" himself: "What’s with all the small-d— jokes? It was fun to look over and see Ann Curry laughing…like she doesn’t know how big my d— really is."</div>
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I barely have words—but it just gets worse. Martha Stewart is reported to have said, "I hear NBC executives call Matt the ‘Cock of the Rock.'” Does that sound like somebody who executives should have been "<a class="external-link" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLink","outgoingURL":"https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/inside-the-fall-of-todays-matt-lauer"}" href="https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/inside-the-fall-of-todays-matt-lauer" rel="nofollow noopener" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #eb0028; cursor: pointer; line-height: inherit; transition: color 0.2s ease;" target="_blank">shocked</a>" to find out was inappropriate at the office? Zucker, Lauer's boss at one time, has <a class="external-link" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLink","outgoingURL":"https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/business/media/jeff-zucker-matt-lauer.html?_r=0"}" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/business/media/jeff-zucker-matt-lauer.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow noopener" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #eb0028; cursor: pointer; line-height: inherit; transition: color 0.2s ease;" target="_blank">said</a> he knew nothing of Lauer's behavior but allegedly said this at the 2008 roast: “It’s just good to see Matt up here and not under my desk. I don’t want to say Matt's a germophobe, but he’s the only guy I know who uses Purell both before and after he masturbates.” You know what else was under his desk? A button that allowed him to lock the door without getting up.</div>
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It's all nefarious AF and makes it very hard to fathom that nobody knew what was going on at 30 Rock. One media executive who had attended told the <em style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">Post,</em> "This was a comedic roast, but there was clearly a vein of truth running through all those jokes. You had Katie Couric, Meredith Vieira, and Jeff Zucker all standing up there joking about his sex in the office, his kinkiness. They all knew.”</div>
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Just got back from the Hilton in midtown after three hours of dick and pussy jokes from some of the biggest stars of TV and film. Over plates of rubbery chicken, with Howard Stern in the audience, with Aretha Franklin doing the most amazing rendition of the Star-Spangled Banner ever (and while playing the piano herself), and with Abe Vigoda sitting on the dais and managing to stay somewhat alive, the afternoon’s Friar’s Roast did not disappoint.</div>
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Cameras and recording devices were not allowed, but we managed to write down the dirtiest jokes on a notepad under the table. Without further ado:</div>
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Lauer’s <i style="box-sizing: border-box;">Today</i> buddy Al Roker was “roastmaster” (ask your parents), but before he could even get warmed up, Tom Cruise made his “surprise” entrance (which was such a surprise, it had been broken on the Internet hours earlier).</div>
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Cruise was brilliant casting, because the rollercoaster he’s been on the past few years over his space-alien-worshipping religion started over two big events — the way he jumped all over Oprah’s couch expressing his love for new babe Katie Holmes, and for a<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc_wjp262RY" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(37, 37, 37); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; box-sizing: border-box; color: #252525; font-size: 1.125rem; line-height: 2rem; margin-bottom: 24px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; padding: 0px 0px 0px 2px !important; text-decoration: none;">confrontational interview</a> he did in 2005 with journalistic cupcake Lauer. The Lauer interview in particular made Cruise not only appear unhinged, but it also made him look like a bully for the way he criticized Brooke Shields for turning to medication to deal with post-partum depression. (Those wacky Scientologists believe the best way to treat all maladies, particularly those of the mind, is with maximum adoration of 30’s pulp fiction author, L. Ron Hubbard.)</div>
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But today, Cruise was not only a good sport for showing up to roast Lauer, he really killed. Guy was hilarious and self-deprecating. He joked about how he and Lauer were actually best buddies and went everywhere together, how they pranked Willard Scott, and how they talked on the phone four times a day (and he had slides to go with it).</div>
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“Matt has also given me some great advice,” Cruise said. Things in 2005 were going great, Cruise went on. He’d just made a movie with Spielberg, and he was going to go on Oprah’s show. Matt, he said, asked him what he was going to talk about. When he said he was going to talk about the movie, Matt made an “angry sigh,” Tom said.</div>
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“Tom, don’t be glib,” Cruise said, imitating Laeur, “You’re in love. Go crazy. Trust me, people will love you for it.”</div>
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Tom then explained that Lauer also gave advice to Jeff Zucker (the NBC Universal CEO who was also sitting on the dais) to dump Leno, and Lauer also ran into OJ Simpson on the golf course and gave <i style="box-sizing: border-box;">him</i> advice as well. “Juice. Look, if those guys got your shit in Vegas… don’t be a pussy, just go up to that hotel now and take it. Trust me, Juice, people will love you for it,” Cruise said as Lauer, and got big laughs.</div>
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Cruise then said that his life is “going from international movie sets to amazing parties. And then from amazing parties to international movie sets. But Matt, you found happiness doing the <i style="box-sizing: border-box;">same thing</i> every day.”</div>
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The diminutive movie idol then turned to leave, and Lauer jumped to the microphone: “Can you stay? We can get you a booster seat.”</div>
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Al Roker couldn’t help adding his own Cruise jab: “Tom can’t stay because the space ship has to leave soon.”</div>
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Cue the knowing oohs and laughter from the audience. Tom, you were lovable but we all know you belong to the wackiest of sci-fi religions.</div>
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Roker then threw out an observation that got another groan, pointing out two of the celebrities on the football-field-long dais. “Who looks more like a man, Clay Aiken or Dara Torres?”</div>
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“There are three things Matt and Sarah Palin have in common,” Roker continued. “They each spent $150,000 on clothes in a single season. They were both screwed over by Katie Couric. And both wear women’s jeans.”</div>
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Roker then introduced Martha Stewart, who looked pretty out of place at a Friar’s Roast. The closest she could get to raunch was saying that “I hear NBC executives call Matt the ‘Cock of the Rock.'”</div>
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If she was tepid, Meredith Viera more than made up for it. Lauer’s<i style="box-sizing: border-box;">Today</i> costar started right in with, “That motherfucker Matt Lauer,” and got a big laugh.</div>
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“I am amazed that I have time for this stupidity,” she said, pointing out that she does the <i style="box-sizing: border-box;">Today</i> show, <i style="box-sizing: border-box;">Who Wants to be a Millionaire?</i>, has three kids and a husband, and that’s a lot of balls to juggle.</div>
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“Look at Katie Couric. She juggled Matt’s balls for six years. That’s three years per ball.”</div>
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(At this point, the spectacle of a TV personality doing this kind of material had the room of 1,900 rolling.)</div>
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“She squeezed those suckers so tight, she left nothing for me. Thanks, Katie,” Viera said, but she was just getting warmed up.</div>
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“People say he’s so prim and proper, like he’s got a stick up his ass. It’s not a stick, my friends, it’s Al Roker’s dick.”</div>
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After showing some slides from Beijing, with Lauer and Roker prancing in tights, she added: “Let’ just say Al puts the ‘meat’ in ‘meteorologist.”</div>
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“I don’t know if you knew this about him, but Matt is a lefty,” she continued. “Which is precisely why NBC hired him.” (Oh, the McCain camp is going to love that one.)</div>
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“Let’s focus on Matt’s numerous achievements in journalism,” she said with the briefest of pauses. “OK, that’s done.”</div>
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She then congratulated him, and said, “I’ll see you Monday, asshole.”</div>
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Katie Couric was next.</div>
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“I haven’t heard this much applause since CBS executives heard I was leaving,” she cracked.</div>
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“There are 1900 people here, which is about the biggest audience I’ve had since I moved to CBS.”</div>
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Also: “Al Roker, Obama’s second favorite weatherman after Bill Ayers.”</div>
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And: “It’s great that one of Barack Obama’s political advisers could make it here today. Ladies and gentlemen, Brian Williams.”</div>
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And as for Sarah Palin’s $150,000 on clothes? “In Eliot Spitzer dollars that’s three hookers and a pony.”</div>
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On that Cruise interview, and why it pained Lauer: “He wanted to be the only good-looking man in the room everyone thinks is gay.”</div>
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She then did a Letterman-style Top Ten Things About Matt which were fairly funny. Some highlights:</div>
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“10. According to his wife, he’s not really an early riser, if you know what I mean.”</div>
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7. When Katie did the colonoscopy live on television, doctors found Matt’s head.</div>
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And the best:</div>
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“2. He loves to eat Curry.”</div>
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The room loved that one, and Ann Curry blanched. Great moment.</div>
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Couric was followed by Zucker, who got off a few zingers of his own. He reminisced about Bryant Gumbel leaving the <i style="box-sizing: border-box;">Today</i> show.</div>
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“There was the time Matt stayed for a while at Bryant’s house. That must have been exciting. Two white guys talking golf.”</div>
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And: “It’s just good to see Matt up here and not under my desk.”</div>
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And: “I don’t want to say Matt is a germophobe, but he’s the only guy I know who uses Purell both before and after he masturbates.”</div>
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The inimitable Richard Belzer then followed Zucker, and as is his trademark, abused the audience as much as he told jokes. And the best moment came when he tried to tell his final joke and kept screwing it up.</div>
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“It’s not all fluff and fluffing,” he said about Lauer’s lightweight reputation. Lauer had also done serious reporting, he continued. “Who could forget the time when he tracked down the exact<i style="box-sizing: border-box;">membership</i>…”</div>
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And that was the wrong word. So he started the joke over again. Five times. Finally, he dragged Lauer himself up to deliver the punch line:</div>
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“Who could forget the time when he tracked down the exact measurement of Ann Coulter’s dick,” Lauer said to a roar from the audience. Another great moment.</div>
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Comedian Jeffrey Ross was on next, and didn’t disappoint. “I’ve never been to a show where the fat lady sings at the beginning,” he said. And Aretha Franklin returned the favor with her middle finger.</div>
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Ross on Jeff Zucker: “How do you make fun of a guy who looks like his penis?”</div>
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And, to groans: “I haven’t laughed this little since we roasted Terry Schiavo.”</div>
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NBC anchor Brian Williams then approached the microphone after being called up by Roker — how would he do after a killer like Ross?</div>
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“Thanks, Al. It was great to see you this morning in spandex, as it’s always great to see your vagina,” Williams said.</div>
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About Lauer: “I often say, a lot of the clothing you see him wear on the <i style="box-sizing: border-box;">Today</i> show is also available for men.”</div>
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On the economy: “It’s <i style="box-sizing: border-box;">so</i> complicated! We just say ‘it’s a crisis.'”</div>
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On Zucker: “He’s doubled our stock. You can now buy two shares where before you could only buy one.”</div>
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Williams was followed by a guy who had won some kind of roasting contest. He had one good line: “We all know Joe the Plumber, and Joe Six-Pack. Well, now we know Joe Blow. Ladies and gentlemen, Clay Aiken.”</div>
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Bob Saget was next, and he noted that, like Lauer, he’s 52. But Lauer is married and Saget is divorced: “Do what I’m doing, Matt. Come into the Dark Side. My next wife hasn’t even been <i style="box-sizing: border-box;">born</i> yet.</div>
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Saget then went for the raunch. “People say if I could blow myself, I wouldn’t leave the house. But if <i style="box-sizing: border-box;">I</i> could blow myself, I <i style="box-sizing: border-box;">would</i> leave the house. I’d want people to see that shit.”</div>
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But for pure raunch, Saget was outdone by Gilbert Gottfried.</div>
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He had recently given <i style="box-sizing: border-box;">Today’s</i> Asian-American cohost Ann Curry some lessons in stand-up comedy. “People ask me, does Ann Curry’s pussy go sideways?” Gilbert said to gasps. But he was just getting warmed up.</div>
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Curry was dying as he started a joke, “Ann Curry told me this one. Two sisters. One sister is eating out the other sister’s asshole.” Curry is <i style="box-sizing: border-box;">dying</i>. “The first sister is eating out the second sister’s asshole, and the second sister is playing the trombone with her pussy…” Believe me, the best part of that joke had already been told by that point.</div>
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He finished with: “How do you get a faggot to fuck a woman? Fill up her cunt with shit. Thank you.”</div>
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Lauer finally, after a brief appearance by Pat Cooper, got his turn.</div>
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“Oh my God. I almost invited my mother.”</div>
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He then pointed out that at NBC they had obituaries completed and ready to roll on 11 of the people on the dais.</div>
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And as for a December interview he has scheduled with Cruise and what happened the last time: “He pulls that shit again, I will fuck him up.”</div>
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On the Friars: “They guaranteed me that nothing I said would be seen or heard, so I feel like I’m anchoring the CBS news.”</div>
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As for rumors of romance with Katie: “Let me just say that I saw that colon a lot before the rest of you saw it.”</div>
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And: “What’s with all the small-dick jokes? It was fun to look over and see Ann Curry laughing… like she doesn’t know how big my dick really is.”</div>
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And finally: “As hard as I may try, I will never forget this afternoon.”</div>
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<a href="https://www.villagevoice.com/2020/05/17/ward-harkavy-1947-2020/" style="border-bottom-width: 0px !important; box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(22, 141, 255) !important; font-size: 0.9375rem !important; font-stretch: normal; letter-spacing: 0.04em !important; line-height: 1.125rem !important; padding-bottom: 5px !important; text-decoration: none;">FROM THE ARCHIVES</a></div>
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A true journalist, Ward had no favorites — he would call B.S. on anyone and everyone (including himself)</div>
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by <span class="c-postList__post__authorsNames" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><a class="author url fn" href="https://www.villagevoice.com/author/village-voice-archives/" rel="author" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; text-transform: uppercase !important;" title="Posts by The Village Voice Archives">THE VILLAGE VOICE ARCHIVES</a></span></div>
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<a href="https://www.villagevoice.com/2020/05/10/tom-wolfe-and-optimism-he-blew-it/" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none;">Tom Wolfe and Optimism: He Blew It</a></div>
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“I think ‘Acid Test’ is a great book, certainly the best to come out of the ’60s… But there is something more: ‘Acid Test’ is about the whole sticky problem of optimism.”</div>
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by <span class="c-postList__post__authorsNames" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><a class="author url fn" href="https://www.villagevoice.com/author/ellenwillis/" rel="author" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; text-transform: uppercase !important;" title="Posts by Ellen Willis">ELLEN WILLIS</a></span></div>
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"Why the recent alliance between Nixon and the workers? lt is a wedding of his pomposity and, sadly, their circumstances. The key word is 'majority.' If you came out of a working-class family, you always wanted to belong."</div>
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Sweaty scenes from the life of an AOL censor</div>
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“Hendrix is unerring, his authority absolute. He had an off-night of his own Friday, but his off-nights are better than the best moments of most contemporary musicians. If he did make a mistake it would probably be the most exciting musical mistake of our time.”</div>
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by <span class="c-postList__post__authorsNames" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><a class="author url fn" href="https://www.villagevoice.com/author/anniefischer/" rel="author" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; text-transform: uppercase !important;" title="Posts by Annie Fischer">ANNIE FISCHER</a></span></div>
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"In America, people sometimes hope New York will die before the close of the century. And so the spectre of another Yankee Frankenstein rising from the ash of urban blight is enough to turn stomachs from Shawnee Mission to Walla Walla"</div>
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Morrissey Breenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16073134547095129808noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182619394637139656.post-66474386858051876792020-05-20T01:44:00.001-07:002020-05-20T01:44:17.265-07:00The worst people in Britain sign a foul fantasy letter (Nov. 14, 2019)https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/14/concerns-about-antisemitism-mean-we-cannot-vote-labour<br />
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Concerns about antisemitism mean we cannot vote Labour</h1>
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The coming election is momentous for every voter, but for British Jews it contains a particular anguish: the prospect of a prime minister steeped in association with antisemitism. Under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, <a class="u-underline" data-component="auto-linked-tag" data-link-name="auto-linked-tag" href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/labour" style="background: transparent; border-bottom-color: rgb(220, 220, 220); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 0.0625rem; color: #e05e00; cursor: pointer; text-decoration: none !important; touch-action: manipulation; transition: border-color 0.15s ease-out;">Labour</a>has come under formal investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission for institutional racism against Jews. Two Jewish MPs have been bullied out of the party. Mr Corbyn has a long record of embracing antisemites as comrades.</div>
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We listen to our Jewish friends and see how their pain has been relegated as an issue, pushed aside by arguments about Britain’s European future. For those who insist that Labour is the only alternative to Boris Johnson’s hard Brexit, now, it seems, is not the time for Jewish anxiety.</div>
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But antisemitism is central to a wider debate about the kind of country we want to be. To ignore it because Brexit looms larger is to declare that anti-Jewish prejudice is a price worth paying for a Labour government. Which other community’s concerns are disposable in this way? Who would be next?</div>
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<span style="color: #121212;">Opposition to racism cannot include surrender in the fight against antisemitism. Yet that is what it would mean to back Labour and endorse Mr Corbyn for Downing Street. The path to a more tolerant society must encompass Britain’s Jews with unwavering solidarity. We endorse no party. However, we cannot in all conscience urge others to support a political party we ourselves will not. We refuse to vote Labour on 12 December.</span><br /><span style="color: #674ea7;"><strong>John le Carré (David Cornwell), Fay Weldon, Joanna Lumley, William Boyd, Simon Callow, Antony Beevor, Sathnam Sanghera, Janina Ramirez, Trevor Phillips, Jimmy Wales, Suzannah Lipscomb, Tom Holland, Frederick Forsyth, Peter Frankopan, Ghanem Nuseibeh, Dan Snow, Fiyaz Mughal, Tony Parsons, Dan Jones, Maajid Nawaz, Oz Katerji, Nick Hewer, Ed Husain,</strong><strong>Terry Jervis</strong></span></div>
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<br />Morrissey Breenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16073134547095129808noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182619394637139656.post-52732783052991331762020-05-20T01:33:00.000-07:002020-05-20T01:33:01.241-07:00Ronan Farrow's credulous NYer article about Michael Cohen's files (May 16, 2018)<h1 class="split-screen-content-header__hed" style="background-color: black; box-sizing: border-box; color: white; font-family: IrvinHeadingWeb, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 44.2px; font-weight: 400; line-height: 1.13em; margin: 0px; max-width: 500px; padding: 1.875rem 0px; text-align: center;">
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A law-enforcement official released the documents after finding that additional suspicious transactions did not appear in a government database.</div>
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Last week, several news outlets obtained financial records showing that <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/tag/michael-cohen" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: black; cursor: pointer; line-height: inherit; transition: color 0.2s ease;">Michael Cohen</a>, <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/tag/donald-trump" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: black; cursor: pointer; line-height: inherit; transition: color 0.2s ease;">President Trump’s</a> personal attorney, had <a class="external-link" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLink","outgoingURL":"https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/us/politics/michael-cohen-shell-company-payments.html"}" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/us/politics/michael-cohen-shell-company-payments.html" rel="nofollow noopener" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: black; cursor: pointer; line-height: inherit; transition: color 0.2s ease;" target="_blank">used a shell company</a> to <a class="external-link" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLink","outgoingURL":"https://www.apnews.com/193c6f3bda0b46e6b718b88c622dfc99"}" href="https://www.apnews.com/193c6f3bda0b46e6b718b88c622dfc99" rel="nofollow noopener" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: black; cursor: pointer; line-height: inherit; transition: color 0.2s ease;" target="_blank">receive payments</a> from various firms with business before the Trump Administration. In the days since, there has been much speculation about who leaked the confidential documents, and the Treasury Department’s inspector general has launched a probe to find the source. That source, a law-enforcement official, is speaking publicly for the first time, to <em style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">The New Yorker</em>, to explain the motivation: the official had grown alarmed after being unable to find two important reports on Cohen’s financial activity in a government database. The official, worried that the information was being withheld from law enforcement, released the remaining documents.</div>
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The payments to Cohen that have emerged in the past week come primarily from a single document, a “suspicious-activity report” filed by First Republic Bank, where Cohen’s shell company, Essential Consultants, L.L.C., maintained an account. The document detailed sums in the hundreds of thousands of dollars paid to Cohen by the pharmaceutical company Novartis, the telecommunications giant A.T. & T., and an investment firm with ties to the Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg.</div>
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The report also refers to two previous suspicious-activity reports, or <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">sar</span>s, that the bank had filed, which documented even larger flows of questionable money into Cohen’s account. Those two reports detail more than three million dollars in additional transactions—triple the amount in the report released last week. Which individuals or corporations were involved remains a mystery. But, according to the official who leaked the report, these <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">sar</span>s were absent from the database maintained by the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, or <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">fincen</span>. The official, who has spent a career in law enforcement, told me, “I have never seen something pulled off the system. . . . That system is a safeguard for the bank. It’s a stockpile of information. When something’s not there that should be, I immediately became concerned.” The official added, “That’s why I came forward.”</div>
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Seven former government officials and other experts familiar with the Treasury Department’s <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">fincen</span> database expressed varying levels of concern about the missing reports. Some speculated that <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">fincen</span> may have restricted access to the reports due to the sensitivity of their content, which they said would be nearly unprecedented. One called the possibility “explosive.” A record-retention policy on <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">fincen</span>’s Web site notes that false documents or those “deemed highly sensitive” and “requiring strict limitations on access” may be transferred out of its master file. Nevertheless, a former prosecutor who spent years working with the <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">fincen</span> database said that she knew of no mechanism for restricting access to <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">sar</span>s. She speculated that <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">fincen</span> may have taken the extraordinary step of restricting access “because of the highly sensitive nature of a potential investigation. It may be that someone reached out to <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">fincen</span> to ask to limit disclosure of certain <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">sar</span>s related to an investigation, whether it was the special counsel or the Southern District of New York.” (The special counsel, <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/tag/robert-mueller" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: black; cursor: pointer; line-height: inherit; transition: color 0.2s ease;">Robert Mueller</a>, is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election. The Southern District is investigating Cohen, and the F.B.I. raided his office and hotel room last month.)</div>
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Whatever the explanation for the missing reports, the appearance that some, but not all, had been removed or restricted troubled the official who released the report last week. “Why just those two missing?” the official, who feared that the contents of those two reports might be permanently withheld, said. “That’s what alarms me the most.”</div>
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<span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">fincen</span> said in a statement that it protects the confidentiality of <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">sar</span>s “in order to protect both filers and potentially named individuals.” The statement added, “FinCEN neither confirms nor denies the existence of purported SARs.” Spokespeople for the special counsel’s office and the Southern District of New York declined to comment. Michael Cohen and his lawyer did not respond to requests for comment.</div>
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Banks are legally mandated to file suspicious-activity reports with the government in order to call attention to activity that resembles money laundering, fraud, and other criminal conduct. These reports are routed to a permanent database maintained by <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">fincen</span>, which can be searched by tens of thousands of law-enforcement and other federal government personnel. The reports are a routine response to any financial activity that appears suspicious. They are not proof of criminal activity, and often do not result in criminal charges, though the information in them can be used in law-enforcement proceedings. “This is a permanent record. They should be there,” the official, who described an exhaustive search for the reports, said. “And there is nothing there.”</div>
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Cohen set up the First Republic account for Essential Consultants in October, 2016, shortly before the Presidential election, in order to pay the adult-film actress Stephanie Clifford, who performs under the name Stormy Daniels, a hundred and thirty thousand dollars in return for signing a nondisclosure agreement about her alleged affair with Donald Trump. First Republic’s compliance officers later began flagging Cohen’s transactions in the account as possible signs of money laundering. Among other potential violations, the documents cite “suspicion concerning the source of funds,” “suspicious EFT/ wire transfers,” “suspicious use of multiple accounts,” and “transaction with no apparent economic, business, or lawful purpose.” (A spokesperson for First Republic Bank declined to comment.)</div>
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By January of this year, First Republic had filed the three suspicious-activity reports about Cohen’s account. The most recent report—the only one made public so far—examined Cohen’s transactions from September of 2017 to January of 2018, and included activity totalling almost a million dollars. It alludes to the two previous reports that the official could not find in the<span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">fincen</span> database. The first report that the official was unable to locate, which covered almost seven months, appears to have listed a little over a million dollars in activity. The second report that the official was unable to locate, which investigated a three-month period between June and September of 2017, found suspect transfers totalling more than two million dollars.</div>
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A substantial portion of this money seems to have ended up in Cohen’s personal accounts. Morgan Stanley Smith Barney filed a separate <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">sar</span> showing that, during that same three-month period, Cohen set up two accounts with the firm, into which he deposited three checks from his Essential Consultants account, two in the amount of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and one in the amount of five hundred and five thousand dollars. Morgan Stanley Smith Barney marked those transactions, which added up to more than a million dollars, as possible signs of “bribery or gratuity” and “suspicious use of third-party transactors (straw-man).”</div>
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Cohen appears to have misled First Republic repeatedly regarding the purpose of the Essential Consultants account. In paperwork filed with the bank, he said that the company would be devoted to using “his experience in real estate to consult on commercial and residential” deals. Cohen told the bank that his transactions would be modest, and based within the United States. In fact, the compliance officers wrote, “a significant portion of the target account deposits continue to originate from entities that have no apparent connection to real estate or apparent need to engage Cohen as a real estate consultant.” Likewise, “a significant portion of the deposits continues to be derived from foreign entities.” David Murray, a former Treasury official focussed on illicit finance, told me, “There are a ton of red flags here. The pattern of activity has indicators that are inherently suspicious, and the volume and source of funds do not match the account profile that was built when the account was opened.”</div>
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The report released last week highlights a payment from Cohen’s account to Demeter Direct, Inc. In publicly filed paperwork, Demeter Direct represents itself as a Korean food company. However, a Web site, since taken down, suggested that it was a global consulting firm. After the press began scrutinizing Cohen’s accounts, a man listed as Demeter Direct’s C.E.O., Mark Ko, told CNN that he served as an intermediary and translator in Cohen’s dealings with an aviation firm, majority-owned by South Korea’s government, called Korea Aerospace Industries. According to the First Republic report, the aerospace company paid Cohen a hundred and fifty thousand dollars in November of 2017, the same month President Trump visited South Korea. At the time, the company was lobbying for a controversial multibillion-dollar contract with the U.S. Air Force.</div>
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The report also shows how Cohen apparently used the Essential Consultants account for personal expenses. He seems to have used it to pay his American Express, A.T. & T., and Mercedes Benz bills, marking account numbers on the memo lines of his checks. He paid initiation fees and dues to the Core Club, a social club that the <em style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">Times</em> once described as a “portal to power.” He also cut himself multiple personal checks from Essential Consultants, amounting to more than a hundred thousand dollars, on top of the million he had already deposited into his Morgan Stanley accounts.</div>
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In many cases, the suspicious-activity reports highlight activity of potential interest to ongoing investigations, including that of the special counsel, Robert Mueller. Bank compliance officers noted eight payments from a company called Columbus Nova to Cohen’s account between January and August of 2017, totalling five hundred thousand dollars. The investigators wrote that Columbus Nova’s biggest client is a company controlled by Viktor Vekselberg, whom they described as “reputed to be a longtime ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin.” The report also points out that Andrew Intrater, Vekselberg’s relative and the C.E.O. of Columbus Nova, donated more than three hundred thousand dollars to Trump-related causes. The report flagged the activity as suspicious “because the CEO’s company transferred substantial funds to the personal attorney of Trump at the same time the CEO reportedly donated substantial funds to Trump’s inauguration fund and joint fundraising committee for Trump’s reelection and the Republican National Committee.”</div>
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Other banks also noticed Cohen’s suspicious transactions and filed their own <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">sar</span>s about his activity. Some of those show the banks piecing together the reasons for the transactions from news reports, citing articles from publications including the <em style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">Wall Street Journal</em> and <em style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">Vanity Fair</em> about Trump, Russia, and secret election-season payments, including the payment to Clifford. One, filed by City National Bank, follows money paid to Cohen by Elliott Broidy, at the time the deputy finance chairman for the Republican National Committee. The report notes, “Broidy also owns a private security company, Circinus, which provides services to the U.S. and other governments. The company has hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts with the U.A.E.” Broidy has said that Cohen and another lawyer, Keith M. Davidson, worked out a deal in which Broidy would pay $1.6 million to a former <em style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">Playboy</em> model he had impregnated. Broidy appears to have paid both lawyers for arranging the deal. The City National report shows that Broidy funnelled the payments through Real Estate Attorneys’ Group, a legal corporation. Broidy seems to have paid Davidson two hundred thousand dollars, and to have sent three payments, of $62,500 each, to Cohen—one to the Essential Consultants account and two to the account of Michael D. Cohen and Associates. The payments may have been a part of the settlement. Davidson said, “Like any lawyer, I maintain an attorney-client trust account, where funds for clients are held. I have never performed legal services for, nor have I ever been compensated for performing legal services for, Elliott Broidy.”</div>
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A representative for Broidy said that this description of the payments was “not correct,” and that “Mr. Broidy is not going to detail his payments for legal services to Mr. Cohen.” The representative added, “Mr. Broidy did not pay Mr. Davidson.” However, the City National report shows that on November 30, 2017, a wire of two hundred thousand dollars was received by the Real Estate Attorneys’ Group from Broidy. Then, on December 5, 2017, two hundred thousand dollars were transferred from Real Estate Attorneys’ Group to an account belonging to Keith M. Davidson and Associates.</div>
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Michael Avenatti, an attorney representing Clifford, who has released summaries of Cohen’s transactions on social media, said, “The Treasury Department should release all of the <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">sar</span>s immediately to the American public.”</div>
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Suspicious-activity reports are kept strictly confidential, as a matter of law. “<span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">sar</span>s are secret, to protect the government and to protect financial institutions,” the former prosecutor told me. “I don’t think there’s a safe harbor for somebody who discloses it.” According to <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">fincen</span>, disclosing a <span class="small" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-variant: small-caps; line-height: inherit; text-transform: lowercase;">sar</span> is a federal offense, carrying penalties including fines of up to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and imprisonment for up to five years. The official who released the suspicious-activity reports was aware of the risks, but said fears that the missing reports might be suppressed compelled the disclosure. “We’ve accepted this as normal, and this is not normal,” the official said. “Things that stand out as abnormal, like documents being removed from a system, are of grave concern to me.” Of the potential for legal consequences, the official said, “To say that I am terrified right now would be an understatement.” But, referring to the released report, as well as the potential contents of the missing reports, the official also added, “This is a terrifying time to be an American, to be in this situation, and to watch all of this unfold.”</div>
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<em style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">This story has been updated to include a statement by the lawyer Keith M. Davidson.</em></div>
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Lilman, scrubone and Lance: Have you three brave fellows signed up for the Syrian adventure yet? And if not, why not?</div>
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WTF?<br />Seriously dude, I make a comment that lefties are trying to kill the thread because Little has shown himself, yet again to be a hypocrite, and somehow your brain computes that I am a rabid supporter of war and am hypocritical for not joining the army</div>
What a dick</div>
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oldpark 9:06 am. I guess you mean ‘liquid counselling’. Over and above the present level.</div>
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Morrissey confesses at The Standard to being a troll:</div>
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Morrissey<br />17 December 2015 at 11:07 am</div>
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Fomenting Happy Mischief since Monday;<br />My recent excursions on to David Farrar’s Kiwiblog.<br />Thursday 17 December 2015</div>
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It is an irrefutable fact that The Standard has far superior, more intelligent and liberal contributors than either Kiwiblog or Whaleoil. That’s why I spend most of my spare time here. Now and again, however, I like to stir things up in Dullsburgh and Stupidville, and pay our extreme right wing friends a visit.</div>
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Since being banned for life over on Whaleoil, I have had to turn to David Farrar’s Kiwiblog for my occasional fix of boor-baiting. I had made a couple of comments there over the years, but usually forgot to go back and check up on the responses. On Monday, however, I re-registered and sent my first little missive into the chickenhawks’ cage. Since then, I’ve earned myself close to one hundred down votes on a variety of posts….</div>
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“Boor-bating” eh Morrissey. The real irony though would be that your behaviour, if attempted at The Standard, would see you banned by the World’s Greatest Sys-Op. On the other hand, DPF is far more tolerant.</div>
Now, which blog applies the principles of free speech better?</div>
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@KS<br />So Morrisey comes onto KB , talks fact free drivel, no logical contrasts or such and then boast how clever he is on the Standard…</div>
A legend in his own mind and definitely a troll</div>
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Quite so Lance. He’s a keyboard warrior par excellence.</div>
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Yup, Little is a liar, and yup, it’s a huge flip-flop. The upside at least is that it is a flip-flop in the right direction.</div>
Where ISIS is concerned, opposition to military action is by default support for terrorism and genocide.</div>
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Replying to Keeping Stock (2:18 pm) and Lance (2:55 pm)….</div>
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SCENE: The Dog’s Bollix, in central Auckland. Two indignant internet warriors are conferring over the print-out of an article from the Standard. They are the 10,000-plusser KEEPING STOCK and his less prolific, but just as angry, colleague LANCE. Sitting with them is the annoying and brash interloper MORRISSEY BREEN, who is carefully listening to what the two right wingers have to say….</div>
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KEEPING STOCK: [holding print-out in one hand and stabbing it with the forefinger of the other] Morrissey confesses at The Standard to being a troll.</div>
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MORRISSEY: I’ve never confessed to such a thing, and I doubt you’d ever get a conviction against me for trolling.</div>
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KEEPING STOCK: “Boor-bating” eh Morrissey.</div>
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MORRISSEY: Actually, you’ve left off the parts where I praised Kiwiblog as a place where dissent is tolerated, and where—certainly compared to Whaleoil’s dire cesspool—there is a significant amount of intelligent comment. I also strongly commend Standard readers to read Kiwiblog. Here, see for yourself….<br /><a href="http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-17122015/#comment-1109724" rel="nofollow ugc" style="background-color: transparent; color: #006aa4; text-decoration: none;">http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-17122015/#comment-1109724</a></div>
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KEEPING STOCK: The real irony though would be that your behaviour, if attempted at The Standard, would see you banned by the World’s Greatest Sys-Op.</div>
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MORRISSEY: Yes, indeed. I’ve been banned on three occasions from the Standard.</div>
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KEEPING STOCK: On the other hand, DPF is far more tolerant. Now, which blog applies the principles of free speech better?</div>
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MORRISSEY: Oh, I agree absolutely. David Farrar is the man.</div>
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LANCE: So Morrisey comes onto KB , talks fact free drivel, no logical contrasts or such and then boast how clever he is on the Standard…</div>
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MORRISSEY: Even my enemies concede that everything I post, on whatever site, is backed up with solid evidence. Therefore what you have just said is wrong in every single word.</div>
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LANCE: [shaking his head, utterly unimpressed] A legend in his own mind and definitely a troll.</div>
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MORRISSEY: Hey guys! Let’s put some money in the jukebox! Elvis Presley’s “Suspicious Minds” okay with you two?…..</div>
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“Even my enemies concede that everything I post, on whatever site, is backed up with solid evidence.”</div>
I seriously doubt it.</div>
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Ahhh, The Standard, the lair of the Master Race<br style="margin-bottom: 0px;" />So funny.</div>
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<i>So to go from saying it is a terrible terrible thing, to promoting a more direct intervention is a hypocrisy that should be highlighted.</i></div>
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But hold on, you said changing your mind is a good thing. What is it, then? Changing your mind, or hypocrisy? I can’t see that he’s actually suggesting that it is morally wrong to go to war whilst simultaneously sending our people to war. I can’t see that he’s saying that it is morally wrong to not go to war while simultaneously not sending our people to war. It’s quite simply just… changing his mind. From what was said over a year ago. Yes, a year ago. And a lot has happened in a year in this issue. (Vogel’s Ad)Let it go Dave, it was a year ago, Let it go(end Vogel’s Ad)</div>
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<i>Changing your mind is good. But he denies he has done so.</i></div>
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There’s an awful lot of qualification in the article. “If the right conditions exist”. “If UN mandate”. “If clear objectives”. “If focused in the right part of the world” “If etc…”</div>
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“We just didn’t think sending trainers to support the Iraqi Army looked like anywhere near dealing with the issue,” Mr Little said. “So now that there is a renewed international tension on the damage Isis is doing and can do, obviously we would want to play our part but it has got to be properly mandated and it has got to be a mission with a realistic objective, focused in the right part of the world.”</div>
Where is the bit where he has specifically negated a “change of mind”?</div>
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ISIS are only killing people America and Israel were killing anyway. So who’s are ISIS fighting for ? They have not touched the chosenites even though they live next door. Funny that. I expect filth like jew loving Farrar to ignore facts like that to please john the jew.</div>
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<figcaption class="caption caption--main caption--img" itemprop="description" style="color: #767676; font-family: 'Guardian Text Sans Web', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 0.75rem; line-height: 1rem; max-width: none; min-height: 0px; padding: 0.5rem 0px 0.375rem;"><span class="inline-triangle inline-icon hide-until-tablet" style="fill: rgb(199, 0, 0);"><svg class="hide-until-tablet__svg inline-triangle__svg inline-icon__svg" height="10" viewbox="0 0 11 10" width="11"><path d="M5.5 0L11 10H0z" fill-rule="evenodd"></path></svg> </span>Mike Hoare returned to South Africa in 2009. Photograph: Roy Reed/Family handout/AFP via Getty Images</figcaption></figure></header><div class="content__article-body from-content-api js-article__body" data-test-id="article-review-body" itemprop="articleBody" style="font-family: 'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif; font-size: 1.0625rem; line-height: 1.5rem; margin-left: 0px; padding-bottom: 4.5rem; position: relative; word-wrap: break-word;">
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The infamous mercenary “Mad Mike” Hoare, who emerged as one of the most well-known soldiers of fortune in Africa during the 1960s, has died in Durban, <a class="u-underline" data-component="auto-linked-tag" data-link-name="auto-linked-tag" href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/southafrica" style="background: transparent; border-bottom-color: rgb(220, 220, 220); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 0.0625rem; color: #ab0613; cursor: pointer; text-decoration: none !important; touch-action: manipulation; transition: border-color 0.15s ease-out;">South Africa</a> aged 100.</div>
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Hoare, who was once a staple of <a class="u-underline" data-link-name="in body link" href="https://www.nytimes.com/1981/11/30/world/pretoria-jails-famed-soldier-after-failed-seychelles-coup.html" style="background: transparent; border-bottom-color: rgb(220, 220, 220); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 0.0625rem; color: #ab0613; cursor: pointer; text-decoration: none !important; touch-action: manipulation; transition: border-color 0.15s ease-out;">news headlines around the world</a>, came to widespread public attention towards the end of the African independence era, during which mercenaries of different nationalities, many of them second world war veterans, were recruited by those with interests in the region – in Congo in particular.</div>
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Hoare was one of several prominent mercenaries to emerge in <a class="u-underline" data-component="auto-linked-tag" data-link-name="auto-linked-tag" href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/africa" style="background: transparent; border-bottom-color: rgb(220, 220, 220); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 0.0625rem; color: #ab0613; cursor: pointer; text-decoration: none !important; touch-action: manipulation; transition: border-color 0.15s ease-out;">Africa</a> at this time, including the Frenchman Bob Denard and Jean “Black Jack” Schramme, from Belgium. His renown was as much about his assiduous self-mythologising as his military skills.</div>
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His career as a mercenary, however, came to an embarrassing conclusion for his part in a failed coup d’état in the Seychelles and subsequent hijacking in 1981, during which he was captured and sentenced to 20 years in jail, serving just over three.</div>
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“The well-known adventurer and soldier of fortune, Lt Col ‘Mad Mike’ Hoare, died in his sleep and with dignity aged 100 years at a care facility in Durban on 2 February 2020,” his family said in a statement.</div>
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His son Chris said Hoare “lived by the philosophy that you get more out of life by living dangerously, so it is all the more remarkable that he lived more than 100 years”.</div>
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Born in India in 1919 to Irish parents, Hoare served in the British army in the second world war, ending his service with the rank of major although he would later style himself a colonel.</div>
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Small in stature, and described as “dapper” and “charming”, Hoare initially qualified and worked as a chartered accountant after his wartime service.</div>
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It was while living in South Africa, where he ran several businesses, that Hoare met Moïse Tshombe in 1961, a Congolese businessman and politician.</div>
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Three years later, Tshombe, now prime minister, hired Hoare – a lifelong anti-communist – to put down the communist-backed Simba rebellion, which had begun in 1963 and was led by followers of the deposed and murdered Congolese post-independence leader Patrice Lumumba.</div>
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Hoare joined several hundred mercenaries recruited from France, Germany, South Africa, Ireland and elsewhere, and was involved in the efforts to push Simba rebels out of Albertville [now Kalemie on the shore of Lake Tanganyika], leading a night-time boat attack on the rebels with the aim of capturing the town’s airstrip.</div>
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On his return to South Africa, he reportedly told journalists that “killing communists is like killing vermin, killing African nationalists is as if one is killing an animal”.</div>
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“My men and I have killed between 5,000 to 10,000 Congo rebels in the 20 months that I have spent in the Congo. But that’s not enough. There are 20 million Congolese you know and I assume that about half of them at one time or another were rebels whilst I was down here.”</div>
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Nicknaming his fighters the “Wild Geese”, his involvement in putting down the rebellion later formed the fictional basis of the 1978 film The Wild Geese starring Richard Burton, Roger Moore, Richard Harris and Hardy Krüger, on which Hoare worked as an adviser.</div>
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The nickname “Mad Mike” had its alleged roots in a critical broadcast on East German radio that described him as “that mad bloodhound Hoare”.</div>
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Posing as rugby players on a drinking tour and calling themselves the “Froth Blowers”, Hoare and his men were unmasked when an airport inspector found a weapon in their luggage on landing and a gunfight broke out.</div>
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Morrissey Breenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16073134547095129808noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182619394637139656.post-24087731563209282942020-05-18T16:01:00.000-07:002020-05-18T16:01:26.357-07:00The benefit of a Maine lobster versus the cost of a Maine life (May 17, 2020)<h1 class="non-delete" id="pf-title" style="background-color: white; border-bottom-color: rgb(142, 142, 142); border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-width: 2px; box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box; clear: both; color: #24292e; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol'; font-size: 1.45rem; font-weight: 500; line-height: 1.2; margin-bottom: 0.3rem; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0.3em;">
Bill Nemitz: The benefit of a Maine lobster versus the cost of a Maine life</h1>
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<span class="" id="pf-author" style="background-color: white; box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box; color: #222222; display: block; float: left; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol'; font-size: 0.75rem; margin: -1.25em 0.05rem 1rem;">By Bill NemitzColumnist</span><span id="pf-date" style="background-color: white; box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box; color: #222222; display: block; float: right; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol'; font-size: 0.75rem; margin: -1.25em 0.05rem 1rem;">May 17, 2020</span><br />
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">It’s a brutal question, but it needs to be asked: What is the value of Maine’s summer tourist economy – not in dollars, but in human lives?</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">We already know the money part. According to Maine Revenue Services, Maine hotels and other accommodations took in just over $800 million between May and September of last year, representing 64 percent of the industry’s annual revenue. During the same period, restaurant receipts totaled more than $1.3 billion, almost half their yearly income.</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">But that was in another time. Now, amid the continued spread of the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19, the tectonic collision between public safety and Maine’s gasping economy finds us at another summer’s doorstep.</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">Some of us remain determined to keep our distance from anyone and everyone. Others clamor to throw off the shackles of stay-at-home orders and quarantines and (deep breath) jump back into a modified version of the way life should be.</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">Who’s right? Who’s wrong?</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">There’s no simple answer. But there is one common-sense truth: The more out-of-state visitors Maine receives in the next three or four months, the more Maine’s COVID-19 death count – now at 70 – will rise.</span></div>
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<a class="" data-pf_rect_height="38" data-pf_rect_width="318.953125" data-pf_style_display="inline" data-pf_style_visibility="visible" href="https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="background-color: transparent; box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box; color: #222222; text-decoration: none; touch-action: manipulation; word-wrap: break-word;" target="_blank">U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention map</a><span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">Go ahead, call me an alarmist. But before you do, look at the </span><span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">showing how states are faring with the pandemic.</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">You’ll see that northern New England stands out for its relatively low COVID-19 count – as of Saturday, Maine had 566 active cases.</span></div>
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<a data-pf_rect_height="38" data-pf_rect_width="377.171875" data-pf_style_display="inline" data-pf_style_visibility="visible" href="https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="background-color: transparent; box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box; color: #222222; text-decoration: none; touch-action: manipulation; word-wrap: break-word;" target="_blank">number of active COVID-19 cases in these states</a><span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">Next, look at Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania – home to the bulk of the tourists who travel to Maine each summer. As of Saturday afternoon, the cumulative </span><span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">stood at 542,530 – roughly half the total active cases in the entire country.</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">Folks, this is not rocket science. As people from those states flock to Maine, some of them inevitably, many even unwittingly, will carry the coronavirus along with them. With that, also inevitably, Maine’s infection and death rates will rise.</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">As Dr. Nirav Shah, director of Maine’s CDC, put it during his daily briefing on Friday: “Those are the places that visitors would be coming in from. So we’ve got to take a sense of … how we would think about higher numbers of people coming in and what the likelihood is that they may bring the disease with them. It’s a very difficult balance and it’s one we’re pretty actively involved in right now.”</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">Which is a polite way of saying all hell’s breaking loose.</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">By week’s end, two lawsuits had been filed in federal court challenging Gov. Janet Mills’ authority to control the inflow of visitors to Maine. One called the governor’s actions “arbitrary and capricious.”</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">At the same time, Maine’s mandatory 14-day quarantine for people coming into the state has become such an unenforceable boondoggle that on Thursday, Economic and Community Development Commissioner Heather Johnson conceded “it is not necessarily the ideal solution” and effectively downgraded it from the law of the land to an honor system.</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">Like that’s going to work. Weeks before Memorial Day, Maine was already awash in reports of out-of-staters flocking to southern coastal communities with no face coverings, no social distancing and no apparent clue that as they go en masse, so goes the COVID-19 virus.</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">It’s been painful to watch. The Mills administration draws a line in the sand – from reopening benchmarks that Maine hasn’t even begun to meet, to dates when restaurants and hotels can resume operations – only to backpedal as that line gets washed away by rising political discontent.</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">It got so farcical on Friday that the Department of Economic and Community Development’s new guidance on hotels and other lodging – now allowing out-of-state reservations as of June 1 rather than a month later – began, “As the number of COVID-19 cases begins to decrease …”</span></div>
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<a data-pf_rect_height="38" data-pf_rect_width="370.234375" data-pf_style_display="inline" data-pf_style_visibility="visible" href="https://www.pressherald.com/2020/05/15/hotels-question-how-to-enforce-quarantine-on-out-of-state-guests/" style="background-color: transparent; box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box; color: #222222; text-decoration: none; touch-action: manipulation; word-wrap: break-word;">as the Portland Press Herald’s Rachel Ohm reported</a><span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">In fact, </span><span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">, the number of new COVID-19 cases per day actually went up in the two-week period ending Thursday. A department spokeswoman later conceded the claim “was inadvertent and is being corrected.”</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">It all smacks of wishful thinking – by business owners legitimately worried about their bottom line if not their outright survival, by politicians worried about triggering an insurrection, even from bozos like Rick Savage, who opened his Sunday River Brewing Co. restaurant in Bethel this month in defiance of an executive order.</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">The very next day, Savage went up and down lines of anti-Mills protesters in Augusta, shaking countless hands without gloves and wearing no mask. Instant celebrity can make you crazy.</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">In an interview the same week with News Center Maine (WCHS/WLBZ TV) about Republican pushback on Mills’ reopening plan, state Sen. Robert Foley, R-Wells, said, “I have people frightened to death (that) their life and livelihoods will be gone.”</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">Interesting choice of words, Senator. Their livelihoods are indeed threatened by this unprecedented shutdown of commercial activity. But their lives? That threat comes from the coronavirus.</span></div>
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<span class="text-node" style="box-shadow: none !important; box-sizing: border-box;">Which brings us back to that grim choice each business owner now faces, a cold calculation based on simple, cause-and-effect reality: A surge in out-of-state visitors this summer, while helpful to the tanking tourist economy, will drive up the number of Mainers who become infected and, yes, the number who will die.</span></div>
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<span style="font-weight: bolder;">“Soon, even the notion that Israel is democratic for Jews will be gone.”</span><br />Gideon Levy at Mt Eden War Memorial Hall, Dominion Road<br />Sunday 3 December 2017, 3 p.m. (Part 2 of 2)</div>
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<span style="font-weight: bolder;">Question No. 1:</span> The international campaign for Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions against Israel: is it working?<br /><span style="font-weight: bolder;">GIDEON LEVY:</span> Boycott is a legitimate strategy. Israel is forever pressing countries to boycott Iran and Hamas. People boycott butchers, and refuse to buy goods made in sweatshops. No one can claim that boycott is wrong. Many people won’t buy stolen goods—and anything made in the Occupied Territories is a stolen product. Boycott and sanction were very effective strategies against the South African apartheid state. The aggression towards BDS by the Jewish establishment convinces me that it’s the right tool. Psychologically, it’s having an increasing impact. There have been bills to criminalize BDS in the United States and Europe. This is unacceptable. It shows how weak the Israeli argument is if they have to prosecute people of conscience who want to boycott Israel. By the way, I am violating Israeli law right now—it’s going to be seven years’ jail for expressing support for BDS. We need to make Israel, and every Israeli, accountable.</div>
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<span style="font-weight: bolder;">Question No. 2:</span> Are you tired and defeated in your attitude to the two-state solution?<br /><span style="font-weight: bolder;">GIDEON LEVY:</span> You need to prove that the two-state solution is viable, and show how to evacuate the 700,000 settlers. Soon that number will be one million. Whenever I mention President Trump, people start to laugh—(LAUGHTER). Trump said, “I don’t mind whether it’s one state or two states.” I don’t think he knew what he was talking about.</div>
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<span style="font-weight: bolder;">Question No. 3:</span> New Zealand is in the throes of privatization brought about by social engineering. The incarceration rate in New Zealand—-<br />(At this point the questioner was cut off, for allegedly being off topic. I think Gideon was going to answer him, but the organisers insisted on moving things along to the next question.)</div>
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<span style="font-weight: bolder;">Question No. 4:</span> How can we learn from the Maori?<br /><span style="font-weight: bolder;">GIDEON LEVY:</span> I visited South Africa three times, and tremendous things happened there. This inspires me: the one state solution can be implemented. If New Zealanders can live together, we can live together with the Palestinians. —(APPLAUSE)— There will still be struggles about rights, et cetera, but it can be done.</div>
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<span style="font-weight: bolder;">Question No. 5:</span> Gideon, you’ve been called “the most hated man in Israel.” Do you suffer from Shin Bet surveillance, in the way that Donald Woods was spied on in South Africa?<br /><span style="font-weight: bolder;">GIDEON LEVY:</span> It was the Independent that called me the most hated man in Israel. However, I am not the story. Yes, there have been some physical attacks. But we are still a liberal democracy for Jewish citizens. I was arrested once for entering the West Bank. My car was shot once, and we counted nine bullet marks. It was an armor-plated car, however. The Israeli regime is aiming now at NGOs and the Supreme Court. Their next target will be the media.</div>
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<span style="font-weight: bolder;">Question No. 6:</span> What can you tell us about the Knesset bill to ban the police filing corruption charges against any government officials? …..</div>
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On and on this idiot goes.</div>
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He’s one of Israel’s most respected journalists, Cap’n. He’s been shot at and imprisoned for telling the truth, so I don’t think he’d mind your labeling him an idiot.</div>
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I bet he is not one of Israel’s most respected journalists. He is so far on the fringe that virtually no-one in Israel would give him the time of day. Instead he tours the world talking to left-wing audiences and stirring up hatred against Israel.</div>
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The record of his presentation at the public meeting (fully set out on the Standard where I am now banned) completely shows his position. Everyone at the meeting would be more than happy to declare Israel an apartheid state. A large number of them would not even support the existence of Israel.</div>
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I supported the NZ stance on the UN resolution about settlements, but he is miles beyond that resolution.</div>
Basically the great majority of the left have become so extreme about Israel, that everyone on the right knows that their default position has to be to support Israel.</div>
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I’m curious: who banned you and why? (You’d think The Standard bloggers would appreciate input from a former MP even if he’s not on “their side”.)</div>
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“The settlements are a brutal violation of international law. Some will try to make your government’s brave leadership in this matter an international scandal. The United States did not veto the Resolution because Obama felt guilty after eight years of doing nothing. <span style="font-weight: bolder;">So don’t let your politicians do the wrong thing; you know more than they do.</span>”<br />—Gideon Levy, Mt Eden, 3 December 2017</div>
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Most of the posters here I can make allowances for: they may not understand or not know much about the situation in the Occupied Territories, and have all their lives been bombarded in the media and even in the education system with messages about Israel and Palestine that are inaccurate, incomplete and misleading at best, and completely dishonest and cynical disinformation at worst. I am therefore not surprised that many people here, and indeed at the Standard, side automatically with Israel.</div>
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I have, however, been pleasantly surprised to see that even some of the most seemingly hard-nosed and truculent commentators here do in fact show a willingness to consider contrary views by scholars and are prepared to modify some of their extreme views when confronted with evidence. One prominent Kiwiblogger told me last week that “just to be fair”, he had read a Noam Chomsky article I posted about the Israel-Palestine conflict. He took issue with some of it, and said so plainly. That’s fine, and it shows a considerable degree of seriousness and respect.</div>
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Wayne Mapp, on the other hand, is a former government minister, and one would assume that he displayed at least a modicum of seriousness and rigour in his views. Yet here he is denouncing an Israeli journalist, who is without doubt one of Israel’s and indeed the world’s bravest and most renowned men, and claiming that he “stirs up hatred against Israel.”</div>
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Anyone who was at Gideon Levy’s talk, and anyone who has read or listened to him at all, would know immediately that Dr. Mapp’s words are asinine, fraudulent, and not worth a Zimbabwean million dollar note.</div>
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One thing about former politicians is that they often ditch the carapace of partisanship they have borne for decades. People like Jenny Shipley, Jim Bolger, Helen Clark, Mike Moore, even Rodney Hide and Heather Roy have notably become kinder and more reasonable people since leaving parliament. They are even prepared to acknowledge that some of the things they did when in power were detrimental to the public good.</div>
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It seems, however, that Dr. Mapp has eschewed the role of respected elder statesman and instead decided to enter that grim twilight world inhabited by the likes of another old grotesque, his former boss Dr. Don Brash. His lies about this Israeli truth-teller are par for the course, unfortunately….</div>
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anyone who has read or listened to him at all, would know immediately that Dr. Mapp’s words are asinine, <span style="font-weight: bolder;">fraudulent</span>, and not worth a Zimbabwean million dollar note</div>
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There’s a fine line between disagreeing with someone and implying that they have improper motives.</div>
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I could be persuaded that “asinine” and “not worth a Zimbabwean million dollar note” fall into the agree-to-disagree category. But “fraudulent” is inappropriate, Morrissey, particularly when you apply that description to someone who has a public profile and comments under his real name.</div>
Come on – surely you’re better than that!</div>
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Nostradamus, I’m sorry to say that Dr. Mapp’s statements about Gideon Levy are false. They are not merely false statements in the sense of being mistaken, they are maliciously false statements.</div>
That he is a former Minister of the Crown only makes those malicious false statements more reprehensible.</div>
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Ok Morrissey. Could you please assist me by analysing Wayne’s comment above and (by reference to his specific words) indicate which statements you disagree with; then (by reference to reputable online sources) indicate why you think those statements are “maliciously false”? And is there anything that Wayne’s said that you agree with? I’m interested to see what you’ve got.</div>
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What I find rather funny, and I hope you see it the same way is that you have been banned for something you never did.<br />You have been subjected to a long rant by Lynn about having attributed comments to “The Standard” as in a computer. You don’t seem to have done it. You only talked about opinions that were posted on the blog.<br />Clearly Mr Prentice didn’t read what you said. He simply needed to have a rant and to hell with whether it was accurate or not.<br />I, as someone who is fairly regularly banned on the same blog, thought he had improved. He seemed quite happy to abuse me but he restrained himself from actually banning me. The one who really did go nuts was someone who posts as Weka. She would get her knickers in a knot if I said anything about her beloved Green Party. YOU’RE BANNED was the normal reaction.<br />Anyway, if you are really a sucker for punishment your ban there should be up in about 10 days.<br style="margin-bottom: 0px;" />Please go back. There needs to be a few rational comments on that site.</div>
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Cringeworthy !~</div>
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Morrissey<br />I read the full post on The Standard about Gideon Levy’s presentation. He specifically said Israel is an apartheid state. Therefore I am not wrong in what I said about him.<br />You seem offended by the fact that people defend Israel and dare to criticise anyone who has a contrary view. It is hardly unusual to suggest Mr Levy is a controversial figure in Israel.<br style="margin-bottom: 0px;" />And as for my overall balance go and read my Spinoff articles</div>
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Hey Tzev or Morrissey yu might consider removing Don from your list of Gropers after the revelation (with corroborating documents and admission that the accusers were solicited with enormous cash payments and offers to front on TV with their accusations,<a href="http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/365068-exclusive-prominent-lawyer-sought-donor-cash-for-two-trump-accusers" rel="nofollow ugc" style="background-color: transparent; color: #006aa4; margin-bottom: 0px; text-decoration: none;">http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/365068-exclusive-prominent-lawyer-sought-donor-cash-for-two-trump-accusers</a> ,,Mind you two new democrats a man and woman could be added.</div>
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You’re joking, right? That, or you’re a Mapp-level fantasist….</div>
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Well, Well. well. the Sunday Star Times has sunk to a new low with a 4 page spread on Jacinda’s fashion sense (what? you say) Yep, believe it or not someone thinks she’s a style icon. It is vomitous to say the least. I’d be just happy if she knew how to run a country.</div>
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17 Dec 2017 <span style="font-weight: bolder;">...</span> However the posts of Hugh, WoO and more recently <span style="font-weight: bolder;">Morrissey</span> definitely ... I thought <span style="font-weight: bolder;">Morrissey</span> Breen had been <span style="font-weight: bolder;">banned</span> from Daisycutter Sports.</div>
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9 Jan 2019 <span style="font-weight: bolder;">...</span> <span style="font-weight: bolder;">Morrissey</span>. I'm <span style="font-weight: bolder;">banned</span> from a malignant website. You're <span style="font-weight: bolder;">banned</span> from at least one hospital. Thumb up 0 Thumb down 1; Log in to Reply; Report ...</div>
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30 Nov 2018 <span style="font-weight: bolder;">...</span> 1852 Constitution Act <span style="font-weight: bolder;">banned</span> prisoners from voting if convicted for any treason, ... In 1879 the prisoner <span style="font-weight: bolder;">ban</span> was extended to last for 12 months after ... <span style="font-weight: bolder;">Morrissey</span> will still be able to vote occasionally hes only <span style="font-weight: bolder;">banned</span> from there ...</div>
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17 Dec 2015 <span style="font-weight: bolder;">...</span> “Boor-bating” eh <span style="font-weight: bolder;">Morrissey</span>. The real irony though would be that your behaviour, if attempted at The Standard, would see you <span style="font-weight: bolder;">banned</span> by the ...</div>
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18 Nov 2016 <span style="font-weight: bolder;">...</span> <span style="font-weight: bolder;">Morrissey</span> ….noticed you have been <span style="font-weight: bolder;">banned</span> by that revolting old trout Weka for trolling. “Trolling” is such an ugly word, Garbageman. But, yes ...</div>
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16 Jul 2018 <span style="font-weight: bolder;">...</span> After intensive lobbying by Gay rights groups, the UK has <span style="font-weight: bolder;">banned</span> gay conversion therapy and there are ... You're not the only one <span style="font-weight: bolder;">Morrissey</span>.</div>
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25 Nov 2017 <span style="font-weight: bolder;">...</span> Lol, <span style="font-weight: bolder;">Morrissey</span> thinks Unions respect working people!! ... what pills he is taking – unless they are on the <span style="font-weight: bolder;">banned</span> list for performance enhancing.</div>
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3 Oct 2019 <span style="font-weight: bolder;">...</span> <span style="font-weight: bolder;">Morrissey</span>, Britain in 1807 <span style="font-weight: bolder;">banned</span> purchase of slaves in the British Empire ( except India, Sir Lanka and St Helena). In 1833 this was extended ...</div>
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